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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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is usark over stepping its rights by proposing rules for states without asking us

If you speak with usark about what I'm saying and remind them they are welcome to come on here and discuss these issues. ...I would love to see Gary Bagnal on here so I can publicly ask him why he ignored all my phone calls . Would never speak to me or return any of my calls when I was tying to talk to him about wyatt lying to my state and taking donations under false pretenses. ...I guess unless you're a personal friend of Bagnal and wyatt tells everyone you rape babies Bagnal just doesn't care. ....even when the laws being broken and money is being stolen from the same industry he claims to be fighting to protect
 
How usarks lawsuit is set trying to save interstate transportation it will.if usark wins basically undo all Fws listing prior to the lawsuit being won in terms of Fws authority to prohibite interstate transportation. ..I doubt a judge will want to do that....As for the other issues. ..usark in its earlier fight with the ban was based around lobbying to stop the bill with no actual fight or preparation for a fight.... As for proof of thinks like wyatt wasteful spending you simply have.to look at usarks d financial statements. ...As for wyatts lying you just have to look at something like wyatts nonsense about PA bills that were amendments to titles that reptiles aren't covered under... and taking donations to fight them under the guise that the could affect reptiles... this kind of stuff happened throughout wyatts reign...and when the usark board was told and confronted the ignored it every time.......the second hr511 hearing wyatt set up and told everyone it was a serious threat....it was a way for him to ask for donations and seem victorious...when he was simple putting out a fire he start....and usarks board stood by and did nothing. .....Usarks way for so called fighting is what gave Fws the perfect opportunity to go the executive order rout which they can do under executive order 13112 which was signed into law in 1999.......the thing is I won't make any sense to you if 1 you don't know usarks history. .2 you don't understand how legislation works..3 or understand the implications and ramifications of fighting bills in bans in a passive aggressive manner which intentions don't extend pass simply block legislation from passing. ..instead of attack the legitimacy of the bills themselves. ...without doing that usark has ended up in the situation they're in.... because usark has never really attacked the science of Fws and focused on interpretation of 18 42 and 43 and the limitations of enforcement now usark has to get a judge to basically undo the lacey act...which the entire government will fight to protect. .....

How usarks lawsuit is set trying to save interstate transportation it will.if usark wins basically undo all Fws listing prior to the lawsuit being won in terms of Fws authority to prohibite interstate transportation. ..I doubt a judge will want to do that....

You don't have proof they will do that. You don't offer a different opinion on it. How would you fight the rules?

As for the other issues. ..usark in its earlier fight with the ban was based around lobbying to stop the bill with no actual fight or preparation for a fight.... As for proof of thinks like wyatt wasteful spending you simply have.to look at usarks d financial statements.

When you don't have a defendant and you want to save millions of dollars, you lobby. Lobbying can cost thousands of dollars. Lawsuits will cost millions. He seems to have tried to pick the low laying fruit first. When that did not work, he went higher up the tree.

I did look at the financial statement. I can not see anything that come be considered wasteful. Remember people give money to USARK for them to try to change laws. They are trying.

.As for wyatts lying you just have to look at something like wyatts nonsense about PA bills that were amendments to titles that reptiles aren't covered under... and taking donations to fight them under the guise that the could affect reptiles... this kind of stuff happened throughout wyatts reign...and when the usark board was told and confronted the ignored it every time

I looked into the PA bills, there is not many. Both of them seemed to have failed after USARK said they where bad bills. There where bad bills. I don't see one place where USARK lied. Care to quote or link to the lies?


the second hr511 hearing wyatt set up and told everyone it was a serious threat....it was a way for him to ask for donations and seem victorious...when he was simple putting out a fire he start....and usarks board stood by and did nothing. .....
It was a bad bill. Every bill could pass. The only way for lawmakers to know what the people want is lobbying. USARK lobbied against the bill, it failed. Mission accomplished. Do you think that if someone should win the fight they don't deserve money for trying?

Usarks way for so called fighting is what gave Fws the perfect opportunity to go the executive order rout which they can do under executive order 13112 which was signed into law in 1999.......the thing is I won't make any sense to you if 1 you don't know usarks history.

You can not sue over an executive order. Sorry. Just not the way the world works. You have to find the defendant that was harmed by the order. You have to get it time to effect person. Sorry. Just the way the system works. USARK, you, or me could not do a thing until they use the order to make a law that harmed someone.

2 you don't understand how legislation works..

You are insulting me. The quickest way to tell if someone does not have a good argument is they insult. I completely understand how the legal system and legislation works. If you want to have a conversation about this you will stop insulting.

.3 or understand the implications and ramifications of fighting bills in bans in a passive aggressive manner which intentions don't extend pass simply block legislation from passing.

Two things. You are not telling the truth.

1.) The NRA (one of the greatest lobbying groups in the world) spends most of its time and money blocking legislation. They are passive aggressive and openly aggressive. Blocking a bill from passing cost thousands of dollars. Suing to over turn laws cost millions.

2.) They are actually suing the government. So the above statement is a complete lie. If you point out specficiely where USARK lied, I will call them a liar too. But I will not let you lie because you think they do.

instead of attack the legitimacy of the bills themselves. ...without doing that usark has ended up in the situation they're in.... because usark has never really attacked the science of Fws and focused on interpretation of 18 42 and 43 and the limitations of enforcement now usark has to get a judge to basically undo the lacey act...which the entire government will fight to protect. .

You are really confused right here. Laws are not about right or wrong, good or bad. Laws are about legal and illegal.

Here again, you are lying. USARK is suing if the government has the right to enforce a law created for international importation to interstate transportation. The legitimacy of the bill is what they are suing over. If the bill is legal or illegal.

Laws and courts could careless about what is right or wrong, good or bad science. Most laws get past because someone feels that it could effect someone maybe.

When you go to court you have to prove three things.

1.) The actions of the defendant was illegal. USARK is arguing you can not ban interstate transport with a bill that only regulates international importation.

2.) The actions of the defendant harmed someone in the united states. USARK has several people claiming they lost their pets or clients because of the rule change.

3.) The actions of the defendant does not serve the public good. USARK is arguing that the constrictor rule fixes a non issue.


If you don't have those three things, you can not win. USARK has those three things. They are arguing about the legality of the, because the courts only care if the rule is legal or illegal.

I have no idea what USARK has done to you. But they are not scamming anyone.

If you have proof of this, please post it.


 
Gary B. Is one of the most easy going straight up guys around. He is still to this day in the hobby for the love of his animals. if people don't like the way things are handled then throw down 6 figures and start your own organization. Usark does nothing that anyone else can't do. You have the same rights and opportunity to voice opinions lobby and fight the power! Wyatt is gone so we should all move forward just as usark has. Gary is not the king of usark. There is a board and they all get a voice and vote. If Gary's voice and opinion has more weight than the others( not saying it does) well I guess that's just the way things work. Money talks and bs walks. Like I said I will defend Garys character on here. He's a good guy. He is so humble most people wouldn't even know who he is if they saw him at a reptile show. He's the guy looking at some cool salamander on someone's table with a big smile on his face enjoying his day hanging around a bunch of herps. I get tired of folks attacking him. Trust me ,the owner of zoomed has a lot to loose if our hobby/ industry goes down. So he definitely has a dog in this fight, more than most.Not everything can be a perfect win. But usark is doing good things and we would be worse off without them.
 
Ok I'll try answer all of that....1. Fws claims to be able to restrict interstate transportation via 18 usc 42 and 43....and have already listed animals and restricted interstate transportation under the claim the 18 usc 42 and 43 gives them authorization to do so....so if usark wins On that basis that 18 usc 42 and 43 doesn't authorize Fws to ban interstate transportation of animals added to the lacey act under an invasive listing then it means that the law has been interpreted as such by the court...meaning All invasive listed animals will be able to cross state lines again and anyone find or jailed for violating the interstate transportation aspect of the previously listed animals will immediately have an appeal and will win. And will also leave Fws and lacey act with no jurisdiction in interstate transportation....
 
Gary Bagnal owns usarks. He bought it from wyatt for around 200000 and is the head of the board and is usarks largest financial contributor....so I think it's safe to say Gary Bagnal is the king of usark
 
2 as for the lobbying issue. .. wyatt was paying off senators to hold the python ban bill and not sign it so when the session would end the bill would die. ..wyatt wasn't lobbying to change the government's mind about the python issues he was just finding senators for hire....and while usark was paying off senators the went putting a lawsuit together or hiring herpetologist to put together data to show that the Pythons weren't invasive. ...As for wasteful spending... if you think wyatt spending 20000 staying in the star hotels is a responsible use of donations we have a very different opinion wasteful. .
 
3.... pa bills don't fail because usarks says they're bad...they fail because the people that would enforce them the pa fish and boat commission don't support them. ..As for wyatts dealing in PA bills you have to go back to 2011 12 and 13...pa doesn't have any bills right now that can effect reptiles
 
4....hr511 could not have passed there was 30 days left in the session and the both the sponsor of the bill and the fws no longer supported it because of the knowing clause that was added to it in February of that year when it was in the house judiciary committee. For that bill to pass in the 30 days left it would to pass from the hnr subcommittee to hnr full committee pass out of that then into the Senate where it would have to go through that whole process again in the Senate and then to the president to be signed into law....it wasn't possible with on one supporting it ...wyatt set up the Second hr511 hearing to create a false victory
 
5 you can sue over and executive order especially if it's dealing with constitutionality issues that said executive order May or does violate..you can sue over anything. ..there's 2 ways that the Pythons could be added to the lacey act..legislative ly or via executive order. ..executive order 13112 was put in place to do invasive listing when bills that would do the same where getting held up in the legislative process. ..which paying senators to hold a bill til the end of the session so it dies is exactly what 13112 was put into place to circumvent. ...and also a bill doesn't have to be given time to do harm that's why we have temporary restraining orders. And injunctions. ..to avoid the harm
 
6...you clearly don't understand how legislation works. ..or you wouldn't say things like usark said pa bill were bad and they didn't go anywhere. ....or when you don't understand how is a laws legal interpretation decides that jurisdiction of restrictions on interstate commerce is non existent then any and all laws formed under the false claims of jurisdiction and prosecutions for violations of said laws will basically be destroyed because the laws never were legally enforceable. ..or when you support usark hr511 hearing you really dont understand the legislative process. . If you did you would see how much damage it did and how it was just what Fws needed to have an excuse to move forward with executive order. ...
 
7 I'm saying you don't understand the negative impact of usarks pretend fight against the python ban on legislative level. ..not sure what you think I was saying there
 
8 we are both saying the same thing. ..not sure what you're not understanding there...I know why usark is suing and it's based on their claim that 18 42 and 43 doesn't authorize Fws to ban interstate transportation. .......but it is this approach which will lead to a much bigger fight then anyone realizes
 
Gary B. Is one of the most easy going straight up guys around. He is still to this day in the hobby for the love of his animals. if people don't like the way things are handled then throw down 6 figures and start your own organization. Usark does nothing that anyone else can't do. You have the same rights and opportunity to voice opinions lobby and fight the power! Wyatt is gone so we should all move forward just as usark has. Gary is not the king of usark. There is a board and they all get a voice and vote. If Gary's voice and opinion has more weight than the others( not saying it does) well I guess that's just the way things work. Money talks and bs walks. Like I said I will defend Garys character on here. He's a good guy. He is so humble most people wouldn't even know who he is if they saw him at a reptile show. He's the guy looking at some cool salamander on someone's table with a big smile on his face enjoying his day hanging around a bunch of herps. I get tired of folks attacking him. Trust me ,the owner of zoomed has a lot to loose if our hobby/ industry goes down. So he definitely has a dog in this fight, more than most.Not everything can be a perfect win. But usark is doing good things and we would be worse off without them.

I don't think I have meet this person. But I do not question the position that USARK has set for this community. If it was not for USARK we would be in a world of hurt. Being the attack dog for any industry is not easy. But they are our attack dog. And I do support them. Which is why Mr. Boalich opinions are kind of surprising.

Ok I'll try answer all of that....1. Fws claims to be able to restrict interstate transportation via 18 usc 42 and 43....and have already listed animals and restricted interstate transportation under the claim the 18 usc 42 and 43 gives them authorization to do so....so if usark wins On that basis that 18 usc 42 and 43 doesn't authorize Fws to ban interstate transportation of animals added to the lacey act under an invasive listing then it means that the law has been interpreted as such by the court...meaning All invasive listed animals will be able to cross state lines again and anyone find or jailed for violating the interstate transportation aspect of the previously listed animals will immediately have an appeal and will win. And will also leave Fws and lacey act with no jurisdiction in interstate transportation....

Ok, lets actually look at what 18 usc 42 and 43 says. I will not quote the whole 2 pages just the part we are arguing over.


18 USC 42 said:
(a)
(1) The importation into the United States, any territory of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any possession of the United States, or any shipment between the continental United States, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any possession of the United States,

USARK is suing over the fact that the above does NOT include interstate shipments. It says you can not import into those places, but it does not state that you can not ship between states once imported.

The states inside the continental United States is not listed in the above list. USARK has a very strong case./



Gary Bagnal owns usarks. He bought it from wyatt for around 200000 and is the head of the board and is usarks largest financial contributor....so I think it's safe to say Gary Bagnal is the king of usark

I have never met the guy. But I will say this. Some has to own something. The owner of this website. The owner of the server. The owner of your internet connection. You could own your house, your car, your own business. Does not make it all evil.

2 as for the lobbying issue. .. wyatt was paying off senators to hold the python ban bill and not sign it so when the session would end the bill would die. ..wyatt wasn't lobbying to change the government's mind about the python issues he was just finding senators for hire....and while usark was paying off senators the went putting a lawsuit together or hiring herpetologist to put together data to show that the Pythons weren't invasive. ...As for wasteful spending... if you think wyatt spending 20000 staying in the star hotels is a responsible use of donations we have a very different opinion wasteful. .

If he was doing what you say he is doing, then report him to the FBI . It was 100% illegal and he, the senators, and anyone that had proof of this will go to jail for that behavior. IF you have proof of this, you need to report it. It is a federal crime to bribe senators. It is also a federal crime to know about it and not report it. You are breaking the law, if what you say is true.

3.... pa bills don't fail because usarks says they're bad...they fail because the people that would enforce them the pa fish and boat commission don't support them. ..As for wyatts dealing in PA bills you have to go back to 2011 12 and 13...pa doesn't have any bills right now that can effect reptiles

You keep bringing this up, I looked, i have found a few bills that failed. USARK opposed them, they failed. I am trying to figure out where the corruption was.

4....hr511 could not have passed there was 30 days left in the session and the both the sponsor of the bill and the fws no longer supported it because of the knowing clause that was added to it in February of that year when it was in the house judiciary committee. For that bill to pass in the 30 days left it would to pass from the hnr subcommittee to hnr full committee pass out of that then into the Senate where it would have to go through that whole process again in the Senate and then to the president to be signed into law....it wasn't possible with on one supporting it ...wyatt set up the Second hr511 hearing to create a false victory

It is completely possible to pass a bill in a few hours. You don't have to do all that, you just have to agree to do all of that in the future.

And if he did set up a bill as a collection item for making money against future bills? What about it? There is no crime saying this could possibly in the future effect your rights. Fund raising during a time you know you are not going to need the money for a time you might is just good lobbying.

Claiming a false victory and getting money for the real war is not corruption.

5 you can sue over and executive order especially if it's dealing with constitutionality issues that said executive order May or does violate..you can sue over anything. ..there's 2 ways that the Pythons could be added to the lacey act..legislative ly or via executive order. ..executive order 13112 was put in place to do invasive listing when bills that would do the same where getting held up in the legislative process. ..which paying senators to hold a bill til the end of the session so it dies is exactly what 13112 was put into place to circumvent. ...and also a bill doesn't have to be given time to do harm that's why we have temporary restraining orders. And injunctions. ..to avoid the harm

Show me one lawsuit over a executive order in which the actions of the order was not enforced. Take your time. You can't. If there was one, it was an invalid lawsuit. You have to wait until you have an effect of the order. You just can not sue the president of the united states until someone is directly harmed.

USARK could not sure the president in 1999, they had to wait until people where injured.

6...you clearly don't understand how legislation works. ..or you wouldn't say things like usark said pa bill were bad and they didn't go anywhere. ....or when you don't understand how is a laws legal interpretation decides that jurisdiction of restrictions on interstate commerce is non existent then any and all laws formed under the false claims of jurisdiction and prosecutions for violations of said laws will basically be destroyed because the laws never were legally enforceable. ..or when you support usark hr511 hearing you really dont understand the legislative process. . If you did you would see how much damage it did and how it was just what Fws needed to have an excuse to move forward with executive order. ...

You keep insulting. And ranting. Can you proof any of this. You keep repeating yourself with out proof. Do you have proof?

7 I'm saying you don't understand the negative impact of usarks pretend fight against the python ban on legislative level. ..not sure what you think I was saying there

Ok, I don't understand. Tell me? Give me any proof? Anything?

8 we are both saying the same thing. ..not sure what you're not understanding there...I know why usark is suing and it's based on their claim that 18 42 and 43 doesn't authorize Fws to ban interstate transportation. .......but it is this approach which will lead to a much bigger fight then anyone realizes

What bigger fight? What do you think is going to happen? You are screaming impending doom, with out actually tell us what the doom is.


You clearly have a personal problem with USARK. I just don't understand why.
 
I can't believe you are even commenting. . Hr511 could or any bill could pass in a few hour...Jesus Christ. . You have literally no idea about legislation or how the process works.....It's always the same some usark supporter comes on here with little to no understanding of the legislative process or usarks history and want to tell me how it is........please show proof of how hr511 or any other bill for that matter can pass in a few hours..
 
As for 18 42 it's going to depend on how continental US is legally defined. ...if it's considered one entity or if it's referring to 49 states....As you can all see there's no and after continental US which makes it unclear. ..and there's never been an official ruling on that term
 
It's not illegal for wyatt to lobby a senator the way he did..it should be but it's not...I can't remember the senators name. ..but it's in some of the old usark email updates
 
What are you talking about seeing the president for 13112....no one is suing for 13112...usark is suing because they say there's no law to giver authority to ban interstate commerce. ..13112 isn't in question here..
 
As for you interpretation of 18 42 and saying you can't ship between states once imported is totally false. Any listed invasive that's imported after the listing takes place is imported illegally is a lacey act violation and any kind of interstate transportation or shipping is automatically a violation of lacey do to the illegal manner in which the listed animal entered the country
 
Ok proof you don't understand legislation. ..point and case...you think hr511 could have passed because as you said legislation can pass in only a few hours. ...which is pretty much the dumbest think anyone has ever said about legislation and couldn't be more inaccurate. ..
 
The bigger fight will be the immediate appeal from the government if usark wins and usark will be right back in court. ....if usark wins it will also lead to an amendment to the lacey act that clearly states Fws can restrict interstate transportation. ...which I'm sure that amendment is already being drafted
 
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