is usark over stepping its rights by proposing rules for states without asking us

[rodneynboalich]

Sorry, you are simply not going to control this thread after being insulting and demeaning to our site membership and mods.

Especially since you have been asked questions and failed to respond. I do not know what you goal is, but I know that it is not to build agreement.

i started the thread and im not trying to control it. im trying to keep it on topic.

and what question havnt i answered. im the only one on my side and im trying to talk to everyone else so its kinda hard to keep track of everything that gets said. so feel free to re ask any questions i missed.

as for my goal im trying to talk about usark writing legislation for other peoples states and the issues that could arise if they are enacted. if you dont want to talk about that you mite want to go to another thread.

 

[hhmoore]

Rodney,
Being invited to take a discussion to PM is not an opening to send abusive, profanity laden messages to any member of this site...but when the recipient is a moderator, just a hint of common sense should tell you that it's a bad idea.

 

[Gary O]

Well I guess some people need to use cruel ways to try to get a point across. Sad really

But anyways everyone. Keep doing what you are doing to help. USARK is not evil they are human just like we are they will not do everything perfect but atleast they are standing up to fight. Stand with them and give your thoughts. Do not just sit and complain. We all have a voice... If we all get on the same page that voice will be heard.

 

[Lucille]

as for my goal im trying to talk about usark writing legislation for other peoples states and the issues that could arise if they are enacted.

when you return, I suggest you re-read this thread. Here is an excellent answer from page 1, and there are many people who have weighed in on this issue:

I am going to copy what I had posted on the FaceBook thread:

Rodney... The "proposed legislation" is something they have put together to use in those cases where HSUS has talked the state into an outright ban... like Ohio is doing right now. You have to ask yourself: Do I want an outright ban or do I prefer they put some legislation in place to ensure we can still keep what we want even if it means I have to register and tag my animals?

Odds are the state isn't going to just drop the whole deal with HSUS breathing down their necks. If they can talk them into dropping the issue without the "proposed legislation", then great, that is what they will do. But if they can't, this is the compromise. If it comes between a ban and a compromise, I'll take the compromise. USARK is doing what they can to help us.

It seems he believes that USARK is trying to get their proposal enacted in ALL states. This isn't what they are doing. He also seems to think that all reptile keepers within each state should be consulted as to what they want. To which I replied:

And that isn't a realistic view. Do you know how long it would take to consult everyone? Not to mention that all opinions are going to differ. It would take forever! There needs to be some kind of outline in place that they can use when these emergencies arise. It's certainly better than doing nothing at all and letting the law just trample over us.

Why don't you contact all the reptile keepers in your state and consult with every one of them? Get your own consensus.

None of us want laws restricting what we can keep. But if it comes down to it, what USARK proposes is better than a ban. It is the lesser of two evils as April said.

 

[Taking Up Serpents]

Gary O- In a following post to post #130 I corrected myself. You do not need to have anti-venom on site, but should have it posted on your bite protocol that x-snake bite requires x-type of anti-venom. Again no anti-venom storage is required, just a paper with bite protocol, species kept and anti-venom for said species.

Now rodney. Rodney rodney rodney. Why after going through all 20 some odd pages do you keep chasing your tail? Honestly man if you can't figure out BMPs and what good they do then you should just drop keeping reptiles all together. Especially after this many people have tried to explain it. Evidently you can read, it's just your comprehension skills are severely lacking.
Thread starts about USARK is supposedly writing laws for all these states and that was false.
Then it's USARK claims to represent everyone in reptiles. Again false
Then it's chipping and permits for everyone; again false.
After more false accusations by Mr Rodney here it's "let's see what gets said on the UJR radio tonight." Which obviously went well as Rodney here is not complaining about the interview with Andrew.
And let's not forget his newest conspiracy theory; "USARK is ZOO MED'S lobbyist". Again, false Zoo Med matches donations dollar for dollar. And the ARK was around before ZM made that pledge.
If after this thread and the interview you still do not get it with BMPs and what ARK really stands for. The original intent of this thread wa not to engage discussion or get answers.
You are not here to discuss. You are here because you got your panties in a wad and are feeling hurt over a FB post where you didn't get the answer you wanted. Instead you received the correct answers in a professional manner. And you will continue to be a miserable in your post thumping your chest with something, anything to prove because no one is riding your little wagon with you.
For one minute I thought you were a genuinely concerned keeper but after everything has been laid out on the table and 15 minutes of internet research could find the answers to your questions you still want to pick every little thing apart and whine no one answered it.
If you think your HSUS smear campaign is going to kick off without a hitch guess again. Because your USARK smear campaign has failed miserably.

 

[HerpVenue]

The answers that you are searching for are in this thread. When you come back perhaps you might want to read them.

The problem, Rodney, is that you are so mad that you do not realize your questions have been answered repeatedly. And all the information you need are on the USARK site as well as answered in this thread

Is USARK over stepping their bounds? NO. They are doing EXACTLY what they have been designed to do.
Is USARK over stepping their bounds? NO. They are doing EXACTLY what they have been saying they will do.
Is USARK over stepping their bounds? NO. Their psotion is EXACTLY what it says on their position statements.
Is USARK over stepping their bounds? NO. They will only suggest BMPs when an outright ban is imminent.

i use to stay away from forums and so on and i need to go back to staying away. the losers that frequent them are just that losers that want to fight and argue. you people are a fu*** joke

define the word hypocrisy

i like how you said you decided to skip just about the whole thread and then you go on to give your opinion of me and thread. brilliant

I have this incredible gift of figuring people out.
Looks like you got banned mutiple times in a manner of days for a reason. Looks like my opinions of you were 100% correct. Looks like I still got it.

 

[HerpVenue]

Oh come on Rodney.
This is not off topic.
The only reason you don't want to post in this thread is because you had no control over it.
So instead you start a new one.

 

[Warren_Booth]

Dr Warren Booth is one of andrews friends from NC.

that really dosnt sound like much of a board to me considering they are meeting at the daytona hilton. which im guessing they were all there for the daytona show not a an official board meeting.

I would like to step in briefly. I am not going to partake in this argument/discussion. I would simply like to clarify two things:

1) I am not Andrews friend from North Carolina. I meet Andrew as a result USARK and from being asked to be on the board of directors. I had seen him at one or two reptile shows but certainly not engaged in any meaningful conversations, and would certainly not have called him a friend. My only connection to Andrew is through USARK as a board member.

2) USARK has its annual board meeting at Daytona. The meeting consists of an open door/open public meeting for the first hour where people, not only members, get to learn more about the workings of USARK, get to meet the board members who can attend, and get to ask questions directly to the board. The second, closed door section, is open only to board members and represents a standard board meeting, however instead of it being a conference call, it is a face to face meeting. My attendance at Daytona is for the board meeting.

Rodney, I do not know you and doubt I have ever meet you. How you would know anything about my personal friendships with anyone is beyond me. Furthermore, have you ever attended the annual board meeting at Daytona. If figure not, given you lack of understanding about it.

Regards,

Warren

 

[Warren_Booth]

Excuse any typos in the above message. I am responding from my iPhone.

Warren

 

[Keith Northrop]

So it looks like you(Rodney) could see the Future...........You just couldn't see what Hotels they were staying at?? Bahamas?? Acapolco?? Haha

 

[rodneynboalich]

So it looks like you(Rodney) could see the Future...........You just couldn't see what Hotels they were staying at?? Bahamas?? Acapolco?? Haha

I
Couldn't see the future or I would have done a lot more to try and stop wyatt and usark. .sadly this point it's almost a lost cause to try and talk to people about what's going on.. it seems most people have lost faith in usark. .. fortunately I never had any to lose or any expectations outside of the potential damage wyatt would do..and he ended up doing more then I could ever imagine. ..the industry's blind faith in him proved to be very destructive as I said it would 4 years ago....I said years ago usark needed to file lawsuits to fight the python ban and now the have and are ready to walk into a court room with the basis of their case being a loophole in the lacey act. ...a loophole that doesn't exist. ...usark is going up an executive that came from an agency that was authorized to do executive orders by a council that was set up and created by an executive order and said council is made up of the agencies that the council authorizes to do executive orders. So it should be interesting to watch it all play out.....also a fun thing to watch for is a nationally proposed piece of legislation that's very similar to Ohio's sb310....you know the anti animal bill that pijac pushed supported and praised when it passed...hsus liked it as well..in fact hsus liked it so much they are now using it as their own recommend model legislation for the country. ...and don't forget pijac hired a lobbyists to support and push sb310 and they got the money (30000) to do so from narbc ( brian potter Bob Ashley)..... see what happens when the industry supports model legislation. ....see what happens when you're all too unwilling to question or unwilling to accept the reality right in front of your face.....so I still maintain usark is incompetent and Wyatt is a lair and a thief. ..so who all still thinks I'm crazy for saying that

 

[Keith Northrop]

No Fear Rodney....I see what you saw.....lol....Now we got TxArk??

 

[rodneynboalich]

No Fear Rodney....I see what you saw.....lol....Now we got TxArk??

That's great I think it's going to take a state based organization in every state to start to get ahead of all the legislation. . I hope here in PA we can get something up and running soon

 

[Night10gail]

It USFWS (United States Federal Wildlife Services) that made the decision not USARK. I think people are getting them confused for the same thing. USARK (United States Association of Reptile Keepers) is a group of lobbyist and have no power to make legal rulings. They are simply allowed to represent the reptile community as a whole much like a lawyer defends someone on trial. They have announced their intention to appeal this Lacey Act amendment all the way to supreme court. USARK is trying to help all reptile keepers but like myself as a single individual could scream til blue faced and not be heard by the ignorant lawmakers that are only concerned with meeting their own personal bias agendas and getting a bigger paycheck. The Federal Wildlife Services (the game commission is a subgroup of this) decided on their own what they thought was best for all of the American people without consulting them.

 

[Keith Northrop]

I think I'll throw my penny on the ground......Better chance it will grow into a Giant Redwood than USARK has at saving anything!!

 

[Night10gail]

And you or I or anyone by themselves has an a better chance of stopping the ban? We can't take USFWS to court over it and the government isn't gonna give us a chance to vote about it. The Wildlife Department just wants these snakes banned for their own personal bias. I wouldn't be surprised if they've got paid extra to make this decision. USARK did stop something. They stopped boas from being added to that list and who knows by now ball pythons might be apart of Lacey by now. This ban sucks but we could've lost a lot more. What are you or anyone by themselves doing that will stop this ban? Complaining about it isn't going to solve it and writing a single letter to congress ain't gonna do it either. USARK is taking this to the supreme court to try to get it over turned. They are at least doing something concrete to try to reverse this decision that was made by a handful of bias lawmakers. I was taught that if you're not doing anything constructive about a problem then don't complain about the people who are. Government may not rule in reptile keeper's favor but that is them misconstruing facts or ignoring science presented in order to meet their own goals. That is not USARK's fault. If we throw tomatoes at someone trying to help just because we feel they're not doing a good enough job then we are going to be in an even worse situation down the road.

 

[rodneynboalich]

Here's the thing you don't understand the fws want to add as many snakes to lacey act as they can for of the federal grant money the will get plus the millions of dollars coming in from animal rights groups. ...As for usark under wyatt the python ban was his biggest money maker and it was in wyatts best financial interest to make sure the bill would come back every session. .that's why usark never really fought the python ban. ..wyatt would just lobby a senator to hold the bill till the end of the session so it would die... the python ban went into effect via executive order.... Fws could do that because of executive order 13112. Which gave them the authority to do lacey act listing by bypassing the judicial process. ...usark did not start putting together a lawsuit until it was too late....even though usark under wyatt had taken donations for a lawsuit on multiple occasions. ....even now usark s main approach with their lawsuit is based around savings interstate transportation....which was a compromise wyatt pushed for the whole time...wyatt even went on record at the hr511 hearing in the house natural resources committee. .a hearing that he set up by the way to create a false victory. ...and said and I quote importation of these animals could end today with little to no effect on the industry. ...even without wyatt usark is still pushing that agenda........I watched usark lie and steal from the industry for years and was meet with harsh criticism when I warned people. .....usark method of so called fighting has destroyed more then it has saved...on Thursday the judge in the case will announce the courts decision on the preliminary injunction. ..I do hope usark is successful in this....but I'm not getting my hopes up based on their track record.......I do think usark over emphasis on the financial issues of a ban has painted the industry as greedy uncaring scumbags. ....if usark doesn't win this case it will open the flood gates even more then the original listing did.....and I would like to remind everyone usark claimed the original listing as a victory. .monitors crocs and venomous are next on the list of animals to ban......I thought it was very irresponsible of usark to act like this recent listing came out of nowhere. .. and more irresponsible that they did nothing to prepare for it.....I do think the fws has the ability to prohibite interstate transportation with their listing the snakes as invasive and covered under injurious wildlife under the lacey act. ...invasive and injurious have two different legal definitions..invasive wildlife that is such because it's considered a threat to environment. Economy and or humans.. so I think it will almost be a common sense argument for the courts to say no interstate transportation. ...for example look at snake head fish....it would be really hard to say that we should be able to cross state line with them.......let's hope the judge doesn't think that

 

[CwnAnnwn]

Mr Boalich,

I am really trying to understand your position on this subject. Your post are rambling, incoherent, and sometime random.

Could you please put into a bullet list your complaints against USARK? But for every complaint, could you post proof of what you are saying?

So far, I am completely unable to translate your problems with USARK.

I know you are going to say that all I have to do is read what you posted. But what you post most of the time, seems to be conspiracy after conspiracy and random ideas.

Help me understand your position.

 

[Night10gail]

All I got out of it was that perhaps USARK's methods of trying to stop bans is not the best option for trying to protect our rights.

 

[rodneynboalich]

How usarks lawsuit is set trying to save interstate transportation it will.if usark wins basically undo all Fws listing prior to the lawsuit being won in terms of Fws authority to prohibite interstate transportation. ..I doubt a judge will want to do that....As for the other issues. ..usark in its earlier fight with the ban was based around lobbying to stop the bill with no actual fight or preparation for a fight.... As for proof of thinks like wyatt wasteful spending you simply have.to look at usarks d financial statements. ...As for wyatts lying you just have to look at something like wyatts nonsense about PA bills that were amendments to titles that reptiles aren't covered under... and taking donations to fight them under the guise that the could affect reptiles... this kind of stuff happened throughout wyatts reign...and when the usark board was told and confronted the ignored it every time.......the second hr511 hearing wyatt set up and told everyone it was a serious threat....it was a way for him to ask for donations and seem victorious...when he was simple putting out a fire he start....and usarks board stood by and did nothing. .....Usarks way for so called fighting is what gave Fws the perfect opportunity to go the executive order rout which they can do under executive order 13112 which was signed into law in 1999.......the thing is I won't make any sense to you if 1 you don't know usarks history. .2 you don't understand how legislation works..3 or understand the implications and ramifications of fighting bills in bans in a passive aggressive manner which intentions don't extend pass simply block legislation from passing. ..instead of attack the legitimacy of the bills themselves. ...without doing that usark has ended up in the situation they're in.... because usark has never really attacked the science of Fws and focused on interpretation of 18 42 and 43 and the limitations of enforcement now usark has to get a judge to basically undo the lacey act...which the entire government will fight to protect. .....