• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Bad Guy Catharine Smith/ Chamgirl99471 or cathys

flaggerhunter said:
Stop de-railing this thread lucille!!!!!!!!! Please stop!
This not a thread about you! Stop trying to hyjack this conversation!
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So you are saying you have no proof of your allegations against the seller, then.
 
The same can be said to you, Mr Shedd. Focus on the topic of this thread, rather than arguing with (and making abusive comments to) other members.
 
So in a nutshell... The seller buys a group of supposed females, keeps what she wants and puts the rest up for sale as females without sexing them first.

Buyer buys them as guaranteed females due to the seller listing them as such.

Buyer learns to probe/pop roughly four months later and finds two are male.

Shame on the seller for selling unconfirmed snakes.

Buyer is due full refund without sending back males per the sellers direction.

By the way did the snakes you kept out of that group of "females" turn out to be female or don't you know?
 
ReptileMommy said:
Not changing the subject and fine no "What ifs". Fact: She said she guaranteed them female. And they ended up male. Fact: You waited 6 months (half a year) to try and sex them yourself for verification. Fact: As pointed out going into the breeding hobby/profession sexing animals should have been one of the first things you learn. Fact: She has offered $300 in refund and so far has sent $180 (more than you deserve in my humble opinion) and is willing to send when she can another $120. Way more than you truly deserve. Fact: You GAVE THEM AWAY instead of selling them to try and recoupe some of your losses. Fact: She has gone to her best to try and work with you and you take the issue here. If I was in her shoes I'd tell you the $180 was all you were getting. Get them back from the friend and sell them. And good riddance. Block you and be done. But she hasn't done that. Give her some credit. For all those yelling "flipper". She is not. She does buy and sell to friends animals she finds that they want and can't find for themselves. What she does with her time and money is her business. Not anyone else's business. She's more than fair. I'll continue to do business with her now and in the future.
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FACT,,, FAct FAct...

None of it really matters. No-matter what, she stated she would refund him. So the whole discussion of if she should or shouldn't is mute. Whats not to get here? If she doesn't then she's untrustworthy and her word means nothing.

Doesn't matter if anyone thinks she should or shouldn't.

So let's move on.
You GAVE THEM AWAY instead of selling them to try and recoupe some of your losses.
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The fact is if there was a mistake you don't make the buyer work to correct it. She should have simply had him ship the snakes back if she didn't want to just simply refund him ...

No..NO no.. it would cost her money so she didn't have him to do that.

So Regardless of what you or I would do, she offered to fix this and didn't require him to send the animals back. At that point what happens to them aren't her concern. So let her fix it instead of suggesting she go back on her word. That's a horrible response.


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Your experience with Catherine sounds as if she was being generous. After the length of time you waited to contact her with new information I wouldnt have done anything for you. No where did I read that she said :But I was basically told "nah i dont want them back, theyre your problem now, Good luck."
As far as I can see her only true mistake was saying she would give you any kind of refund after over half of a year had passed. You never proved by photos they were male.
The fact that you have been stalking her activities on facebook, and copying them. Just creepy. An saved email is one thing, you have taken it to a whole new level.
She has the right to get more reptiles, etc if she chooses. That is absolutely none of your business. Nothing more exhausting then dealing with an obsessive person. And you have made it more then obvious you are. wow. And then you complain she is hard to reach. If I were her I would probably get a restraining order on you if I saw all of this. That's how crazy your behavior is.
Catherine has healthy animals, she is an excellent keeper.
You have an issue with her because YOU made a mistake. And then, failed to provide proof they were male.
I think you should be grateful you got anything back from her at all.

And the comment on the use of the word irregardless. Since when is the use of a colloquialism worthy of correction? SMH.
 
Debbe said:
Your experience with Catherine sounds as if she was being generous. After the length of time you waited to contact her with new information I wouldnt have done anything for you. No where did I read that she said :But I was basically told "nah i dont want them back, theyre your problem now, Good luck."
As far as I can see her only true mistake was saying she would give you any kind of refund after over half of a year had passed. You never proved by photos they were male.
The fact that you have been stalking her activities on facebook, and copying them. Just creepy. An saved email is one thing, you have taken it to a whole new level.
She has the right to get more reptiles, etc if she chooses. That is absolutely none of your business. Nothing more exhausting then dealing with an obsessive person. And you have made it more then obvious you are. wow. And then you complain she is hard to reach. If I were her I would probably get a restraining order on you if I saw all of this. That's how crazy your behavior is.
Catherine has healthy animals, she is an excellent keeper.
You have an issue with her because YOU made a mistake. And then, failed to provide proof they were male.
I think you should be grateful you got anything back from her at all.

And the comment on the use of the word irregardless. Since when is the use of a colloquialism worthy of correction? SMH.
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You just contradicted yourself pretty well there. If she did, in fact, agree to pay the 300.00 (which she did), then it is, in fact, the buyer's business whether she is spending money on new animals or giving him the money he was promised.

It is not that difficult of a thing to understand. If you have the money to buy other animals, you have the money to pay back a debt you chose to take on. It does not matter who is "wrong" and who is "right" in the situation at that point.

The "comment" is a signature, therefore, irrelevant to the thread, pay attention.
 
Debbe said:
Your experience with Catherine sounds as if she was being generous. After the length of time you waited to contact her with new information I wouldnt have done anything for you. No where did I read that she said :But I was basically told "nah i dont want them back, theyre your problem now, Good luck."
As far as I can see her only true mistake was saying she would give you any kind of refund after over half of a year had passed. You never proved by photos they were male.
The fact that you have been stalking her activities on facebook, and copying them. Just creepy. An saved email is one thing, you have taken it to a whole new level.
She has the right to get more reptiles, etc if she chooses. That is absolutely none of your business. Nothing more exhausting then dealing with an obsessive person. And you have made it more then obvious you are. wow. And then you complain she is hard to reach. If I were her I would probably get a restraining order on you if I saw all of this. That's how crazy your behavior is.
Catherine has healthy animals, she is an excellent keeper.
You have an issue with her because YOU made a mistake. And then, failed to provide proof they were male.
I think you should be grateful you got anything back from her at all.


And the comment on the use of the word irregardless. Since when is the use of a colloquialism worthy of correction? SMH.
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Did you the video I made of me probing and popping out sperm plugs?
Btw 4months is less than 6 momths
 
So the OP made a mistake?? What about the seller?? She made the same mistake. She did not sex the snakes when she received them either!!

So the buyer made the same mistake the seller did... RIGHT???

In a perfect world, the seller should have took the two males back, paid for return shipping, refunded the buyer for them and sought restitution from the person she bought the snakes from, but this is not a perfect world now is it?

Just don't understand how some can blast the OP for not sexing the snakes sooner and sing the sellers praises for basically doing the same thing.
 
ballpython584 said:
So the buyer made the same mistake the seller did... RIGHT???

Just don't understand how some can blast the OP for not sexing the snakes sooner and sing the sellers praises for basically doing the same thing.
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The initial onus is on the seller to provide a product which conforms to her description. If you don't believe that sellers have some obligation to know what they're selling, and accurately represent it, well, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I'm of the opinion that since females don't magically sprout hemipenes, no matter what timetable is involved, the timing should be irrelevant, to a degree. However, comparative personal methodologies aside, the timing is made moot by the fact that the seller chose to accept responsibility for it and agree to a partial refund. An obligation which, thus far, she's not completely fulfilled.
 
Dan: I think you may have misunderstood my post! In a nutshell the seller (Catherine) should have took the two males back, refunded the ops money and took it up with the person she got them from. Since she did not sex the snakes when she received them this whole situation is on her!

I don't know how else to say this, so I will just say it again... The posters that believe Catherine is being "gracious" in offering any refund don't seem to comprehend that she did the same thing (not sexing the snakes) but see no fault with her for this mess.

Hope this clears up my previous post and where I stand.
 
Ha! You're right. The following line jumped out at me first and I guess that managed to skew how I read the rest of it:
ballpython584 said:
So the buyer made the same mistake the seller did... RIGHT???
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I think it's almost nap time. :eek:
 
Everyone here probably doesn't know this. Because they are too busy bashing Cathy for doing wrong, and bashing RC for doing wrong. Both parties are a little at fault. Cathy bought a group of 14 snakes that she was told were all females. 14!! Of those 14 she only kept a few and sold the rest. Of the ones sold surprisingly only 2 tested out (truthfully or not is also in question because think about it ... what are the odds??) as males and those both happened to end up in RC's hands. Cathy has promised him a refund. She has made payment on that refund. And has promised to make even better on the refund given he relax and accept the refund she is offering. He wants a full refund. But yet he is keeping one of the three he received. Technically he should only be due a refund on the 2 that were sexed wrong. And she has agreed basically to refund those two. He would not be losing any money on a bad purchase. Instead RC is haunting her to a stalker's extreme. That is a bit creepy. For those of us you claim are "singing her praises" it's only because she has supplied animals above and beyond what we were expecting. Mistakes do happen. He needs to accept the rest of the $300 she has promised to refund (she already sent $180 and is promising the other $120). That is more than fair since he waited so long (ok 4 months instead of 6 but still not in a timely manner) to have the sexes verified. Resolution is being worked out if he would just take a deep breath and chill. Everyone else needs to just step back and say "Yeah, mistakes on both sides. But it's getting worked out."
And finally, I will continue to do business with Cathy. She's not done anything wrong by me and I've gotten nothing but top quality animals from her. I've known her for roughly 9 or 10 years. If you choose not to do business with her that's your choice. But don't rag on someone who is trying to make good on a bad situation.
 
ReptileMommy said:
Everyone here probably doesn't know this. Because they are too busy bashing Cathy for doing wrong, and bashing RC for doing wrong. Both parties are a little at fault. Cathy bought a group of 14 snakes that she was told were all females. 14!! Of those 14 she only kept a few and sold the rest. Of the ones sold surprisingly only 2 tested out (truthfully or not is also in question because think about it ... what are the odds??) as males and those both happened to end up in RC's hands. Cathy has promised him a refund. She has made payment on that refund. And has promised to make even Μµµµµµ on the refund given he relax and accept the refund she is offering. He wants a full refund. But yet he is keeping one of the three he received. Technically he should only be due a refund on the 2 that were sexed wrong. And she has agreed basically to refund those two. He would not be losing any money on a bad purchase. Instead RC is haunting her to a stalker's extreme. That is a bit creepy. For those of us you claim are "singing her praises" it's only because she has supplied animals above and beyond what we were expecting. Mistakes do happen. He needs to accept the rest of the $300 she has promised to refund (she already sent $180 and is promising the other $120). That is more than fair since he waited so long (ok 4 months instead of 6 but still not in a timely manner) to have the sexes verified. Resolution is being worked out if he would just take a deep breath and chill. Everyone else needs to just step back and say "Yeah, mistakes on both sides. But it's getting worked out."
And finally, I will continue to do business with Cathy. She's not done anything wrong by me and I've gotten nothing but top quality animals from her. I've known her for roughly 9 or 10 years. If you choose not to do business with her that's your choice. But don't rag on someone who is trying to make good on a bad situation.
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Are you even resding what I post? Like the video of me probing them? Or the fact I'm only asking for a full refund of the two males and im perfectly happy with the actual female? Quit blindly coming to her aid and read what I spent time getting together.

Jeez, some people...:rolleyes:
 
And her facebook posts pop up on my wall btw, so I really don't have to stalk her, b but I'm not gonna sit idley by and watch someone who owes me money flip more and more animals.
 
Sorry foe the multipleposts but I'm just trying to comment between orders at work, but we've been working this out for almost a year now, and I'm not accepting just 300, and I'm not happy being thrown on a back burner.
 
Well I definitely know I won't be buying from three people in this thread. Why are all of these whack jobs coming to Cathy's defense?

I understand where you stand in this one Charles. I happen to be in the same boat.

@Cathy

Sorry but your are a flipper and your claims of selling animals for friends really seems to stretch it a bit.

@Angela

Good grief! Do you hear yourself? I hope you really like whatever you plan to breed because with your attitude you will never sell anything.
 
RC I do hear myself. If her posts pop up on your wall and bother you delete her so you don't see them. You said multiple times you were wanting a "full refund". I have read thru what was posted. And I know a lot of what you have posted is not what you think it is. You seem to jump to some conclusions and just want to cause trouble for Cathy.
Korbin I don't have an attitude until people act like creeps. And this thread has shown quite a few of them. Plus you don't know Cathy from Joe Shmoe down the street. I've known her for 9+ years. Friends in bad situations do ask her to help them sell their animals when they need to earn money. She has contacts and is able to sell those animals for the friends. And when did I ever say I was planning on breeding anything and selling the offspring?? Sounds like you like to jump to a lot of conclusions also. ;)
 
I did say earlier in the thread "My fiance was working and fully backed me buying animals to set up breeding. He understands that there is $ to be made with the right ones."
That doesn't mean I have anything breeding right now or even selling anything right now. Could be 2 or 3 years in the future. Could be as long as 5 years. Either way I highly doubt I'd post them for sale in here. And considering what I have to breed right now it would take a few breeding seasons to actually obtain what I want and to prove out the parents genetics. ;) I'm in no rush. I'd want my babies to go to good parents who would want them just for the sake of who/what they are. Not for a certain sex and to just make them $. What I have are a part of my family. I call them my babies. Not 'my collection' like so many other keepers/breeders. Collection sounds so inhumane. Like you're collecting dang stamps or coins. Just get over it already. She has promised to make good on the refund. RC just needs to understand not everyone is made of $ and can drop $300 for something at the drop of a hat. Especially someone with a family and kids and things to worry about besides just one person ranting over the wrong sex of some purchased animals. She understands it was a mistake and is sorry it happened. He needs to just let her be and accept the payments she sends when she is able to send them.
 
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