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is usark over stepping its rights by proposing rules for states without asking us

AW2EOD said:
I don't think you guys know Rodney well enough, or you wouldn't waste your time replying to him.

So, Rodney...what do you propose? Down with Wyatt and USARK? Down with the only organization who is trying to help us, in our time of need? Down with compramise and let's follow the "I'm gonna keep my snakes, even if they become illegal and they have to be pried from my cold, dead hands...*insert manly battle cry here*"?

You're not a big breeder. You have a clutch or two, every year. Sure, you've kept snakes for a very long time, but that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You stand on your pedestal, looking down at all of us "small time people", talking AT us like we're just supposed to blindly jump in line behind you, pick up our pitch forks and storm off to USARKs castle and demand they stop helping us. Sorry, but you're outlook on EVERYTHING just doesn't fly with the masses.

So, if Wyatt steps down and disbands USARK, what are you going to do? Take up the torch and demand from every state legislature that they can't take away out right to own reptiles? Are you going to converse, attend meetings and state hearings, spend tireless hours at the office...all in the name of helping us out?...and, do so without asking for a single penny, from your supports? You can't even type a sentence, using proper capilization, spelling and punctuation. Sorry, but I say Wyatt stays where he's at, HELPING US.

For those of you that aren't up to speed with the Mr. Rodney Boalich...he has a bad habit of slandering people, stating things as fact when he has no proof, doesn't care to throw people under the bus when they're trying to help him/us and just all around, thinks he knows better than everyone else, about every subject you could possibly think of.

Those of us who are supporting and spreading the good word, of USARK, are still going to be doing so. Your propaganda hasn't worked, yet again. Sorry, buddy.
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thanks for the words of wisdom andy. as always they shed new light on the subject at hand.

this guy jumps into everything and runs his mouth. i have a complaint with how im being represented by usark and i have a right to voice that complaint.
 
rodneynboalich said:
please listen to the radio show tonight

i produced around 160 retics last season and i moved in the middle of breeding season. i hit on seven females
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That's all you got, out of that entire paragraph? Not answering any of the questions, except for stating that you produced Retics, last season?

You didn't take ANYTHING else away, from the statement?

You get any higher, on that pedestal of yours and we're gonna have to install phone lines up to you, to talk to you.

Point proven, I do believe, sir.
 
So, if Wyatt steps down and disbands USARK, what are you going to do? Take up the torch and demand from every state legislature that they can't take away out right to own reptiles? Are you going to converse, attend meetings and state hearings, spend tireless hours at the office...all in the name of helping us out?...and, do so without asking for a single penny, from your supports? You can't even type a sentence, using proper capilization, spelling and punctuation. Sorry, but I say Wyatt stays where he's at, HELPING US.

im guessing this is what yur referring to.

im not saying anyone should step down or usark should disband and no im not going to try to be the president of usark. i just feel that as the president he should consult with the people he represents before he writes up model legislation for their states

not sure where your going with me going to state meeting and not asking for a single penny. but now im not going to do that either. i think wyatt pays himself 80k salary i mite be wrong maybe its less. you would have to look it up.

and yes i will continue to have bad grammar
 
if you read the model legislation that andrew wrote up for your states you will see. the legal repercussions of a violation of his rules. one being a Class 2 misdemeanor. which can carry a $1000 fine and up to 6 months in prison. plus if the authorities are told you mite be violating these rules such in the case of owning a reptile without a license they can come right into your house and take it. and they can do all of this only on suspicion of a violation
 
Rodney, I know that your state (PA) was done hte very thing you mentioned (taking animals) with THEIR own game comssion. The reptile keepers better get it in their heads, that a model MUST be proposed or you'll lose EVERYTHING. This is nothing different then the exotic animals. The larger, more potentially dangerous animals are targeted first. The reason is two fold, first t divide and conqure within the ranks. Second, it's asier to get support verus something that can kill or ESPECIALLY, eat you. Then the powers that be can go after the other animals later.

I guess you'll have to decide if you want to continue doing what you are doing and if the restrictions are to steep, doing in a smaller capacity OR NOT DOING IT AT ALL, if you leave it up to legislature. Things will NEVER be like they were.
 
rodneynboalich said:
that wasnt helpful
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It wasn't supposed to be helpful... it was supposed to be illustrative, and possibly motivating. Whether that's 'helpful' or not would be up to the reader. You and I might agree on something, though... that it wasn't necessary. You went ahead and let everyone know exactly how you "are" in this thread without me or anyone else needing to point it out. I've met your type before, and this was the same hand-to-the-forehead experience it always is with your type. All you're doing is fulfilling a stereotype at this point.

Stop and think for a moment that you might be wrong about something... like, ever. If you're able to deflate your opinion of yourself enough to conscience that thought for a moment, consider that you might be wrong about THIS. You won't, but you ought to give it a try. No one is disagreeing with you because we don't understand your point of view, despite your best efforts. Everyone else in the thread is disagreeing with you because you're wrong about this situation. You're acting a bit unhinged, like some aging anarchist who's convinced that any rules regulating anything are a government conspiracy and an automatic slippery slope.

Just stop... acting this way is not the way you get your questions answered. I'm surprised it took the poor guy as long as he did to block you, I'd have refunded your membership fee and blocked you in the middle of that first exchange.
 
rodneynboalich said:
i and they can do all of this only on suspicion of a violation
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That's a tabloid lie; it's not really true but is flavored with truth enough to get a rise, which is what you have been trying to do. From the very beginning you have told us the sky is falling, I encourage you to walk outside and see that is not the case.

A behavior must rise to probable cause, a higher standard than mere suspicion, before action is taken. So your tabloid lie is, well, a lie. And a deliberate one, meant to scare and stampede.

AGAIN, you are running with sensational charges without including what has been repeated to you over and over and over, that these are proposals only, and only meant to prevent an absolute ban.

AGAIN, this argument is not the grail for you, a readback of several pages of posts on this site shows that you sensationalize almost everything. Coming here with cheap drama seems to be your daily entertainment.
 
Lucille said:
That's a tabloid lie; it's not really true but is flavored with truth enough to get a rise, which is what you have been trying to do. From the very beginning you have told us the sky is falling, I encourage you to walk outside and see that is not the case.

A behavior must rise to probable cause, a higher standard than mere suspicion, before action is taken. So your tabloid lie is, well, a lie. And a deliberate one, meant to scare and stampede.

AGAIN, you are running with sensational charges without including what has been repeated to you over and over and over, that these are proposals only, and only meant to prevent an absolute ban.

AGAIN, this argument is not the grail for you, a readback of several pages of posts on this site shows that you sensationalize almost everything. Coming here with cheap drama seems to be your daily entertainment.
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and what do you think probable cause for suspicion of keeping a reptile illegally will be for them.

this is right from the model legislation



§ VI Investigation of suspected violations; seizure and examination of
reptiles; disposition of reptiles.
In any case in which any law-enforcement officer or animal control officer
has probable cause under the law to believe that any of the provisions of this
Article have been violated, it shall be the duty of such officer and he is
hereby authorized, empowered, and directed to immediately investigate such
violation or impending violation and to forthwith seize the reptile or reptiles involved, and all such officers are hereby authorized and directed to deliver
such reptiles to the State Department of Natural Resources or to its
designated representative for examination for the purpose of ascertaining
whether said reptiles are a venomous reptile, large constricting snake or
crocodilian subject to this Article. If the North Carolina State Museum of
Natural Sciences or its designated representative finds that said reptile is a
venomous reptile, large constricting snake or crocodilian subject to this
Article, the Department of Natural Resources or its designated representative
shall be empowered to determine final disposition of said reptiles in a
manner consistent with the safety of the public; but if the Museum or its
designated representative find that the reptile is not a venomous reptile,
large constricting snake or crocodilian subject to this Article and either no
criminal warrants or indictments are initiated in connection with the reptile
within 10 days of initial seizure, or a court of law determines that such
reptile is not being owned, possessed, used, transported or trafficked in
violation of this Article, then it shall be the duty of such officers to return
said reptiles to the person from whom they were seized within five days.


this is the part that bothers me

In any case in which any law-enforcement officer or animal control officer
has probable cause under the law to believe that any of the provisions of this
Article have been violated, it shall be the duty of such officer and he is
hereby authorized, empowered, and directed to immediately investigate such
violation or impending violation and to forthwith seize the reptile or reptiles.

violation or impending violation. if im reading this right they can take your animals for a violation or impending violation. and you can read that they are to take the animals to someone else who is qualified to identify the animals. so the people in charge and enforcing the rules openly admit to not be able to identify the animals they are regulating.

so probable cause. someone calls them and says you keeping snakes illegally. they have to investigate. they get to you house look in a window and see a snake in a cage and right there is you probable cause for a violation or impending violation and now they take your snake that they admittedly cant identify to someone that can identify it to find out if you broke any laws. thats a great system
 
so to give you an idea of how bad of an idea this part is. it says the officer are to take the snake to find out if its venomous because they dont know. what if they get bit. then what. whats the protocol for getting bit by a venomous snake you cant identify.
 
III Regulation of ownership of large constricting snakes.
As used in this Article, large constricting snakes shall mean: Reticulated
Python, Python reticulatus; Burmese Python, Python molurus; African Rock
Python, Python sebae; Amethystine Python, Morelia amethistina and Green
Anaconda, Eunectes murinus or any of their subspecies or hybrids. It shall
be unlawful for any person to own, possess, use, transport or traffic in any of
the large constricting snakes that are not housed in a sturdy and secure
enclosure. Permanent enclosures shall be designed to be escape proof and
shall have an operable lock. Each enclosure shall be labeled clearly and
visibly with the scientific name, common name, and owners identifying.

can anyone spot the problem with this part
 
Mister Internet said:
It wasn't supposed to be helpful... it was supposed to be illustrative, and possibly motivating. Whether that's 'helpful' or not would be up to the reader. You and I might agree on something, though... that it wasn't necessary. You went ahead and let everyone know exactly how you "are" in this thread without me or anyone else needing to point it out. I've met your type before, and this was the same hand-to-the-forehead experience it always is with your type. All you're doing is fulfilling a stereotype at this point.

Stop and think for a moment that you might be wrong about something... like, ever. If you're able to deflate your opinion of yourself enough to conscience that thought for a moment, consider that you might be wrong about THIS. You won't, but you ought to give it a try. No one is disagreeing with you because we don't understand your point of view, despite your best efforts. Everyone else in the thread is disagreeing with you because you're wrong about this situation. You're acting a bit unhinged, like some aging anarchist who's convinced that any rules regulating anything are a government conspiracy and an automatic slippery slope.

Just stop... acting this way is not the way you get your questions answered. I'm surprised it took the poor guy as long as he did to block you, I'd have refunded your membership fee and blocked you in the middle of that first exchange.
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that wasnt helpful either. for the record im an anachro-capitalist. now i do appreciate the constructive criticism of my demeanor. but did you want to add something to the discussion or turn the sharp wit of yours towards the question that started this thread. which is again. is usark overstepping its rights by proposing rules for states without asking us. i would love to hear your opinion on that.
 
im a licensed breeder in the state of PA and i have no problem paying for a licenses to operate as a breeder. it comes with no restrictions. but i do have a problem with making every single person that wants to own a retics or burm or any other reptile get licensed and have to get it registered with the state and pay a few to have a pet snake.
 
but if the Museum or its
designated representative find that the reptile is not a venomous reptile,
large constricting snake or crocodilian subject to this Article and either no
criminal warrants or indictments are initiated in connection with the reptile
within 10 days of initial seizure, or a court of law determines that such
reptile is not being owned, possessed, used, transported or trafficked in
violation of this Article, then it shall be the duty of such officers to return
said reptiles to the person from whom they were seized within five days.

heres another issue. where will the animals that are seized be kept. since we know that the people seizing them cant even identify them are we to believe they will properly care for the animals.
 
rodneynboalich said:
as for the pit bulls look how it started with rules and regulations and then they moved to a ban.
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In the vast majority of cases, that is totally false. Once a few bans were in place, they started spreading like wildfire...it was only through some heavy-duty work and compromise that many places still allow Pit Bulls at all. Had you been a part of any of these fights as I was, you would understand this.


rodneynboalich said:
and micro chipping will it be for all reptiles or just some and what about babies your produce and the few for micro chipping them if you have to micro chip 500 babies at $25 plus vet few so lets say total of $50 for each snake. thats $25,000. what if your producing $20 corn snakes thats $10,000. so you mite have to spend $25,000 to make $10,000.
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$25,000?? Are you kidding me? Apparently you totally ignored the point I also made about the cost of microchipping. You can personally purchase the equipment to do the microchipping yourself. You can even purchase the microchips in sterile, single use, preloaded syringes, at a total cost of about $6.75 per complete unit. A good vet will be happy to demonstrate the proper usage of these. If spending 7 bucks per snake to retain the privilege of keeping them is too much...then perhaps you ned to rethink the fact that you are keeping them in the first place. :shrug01:
 
rodneynboalich said:
III Regulation of ownership of large constricting snakes.
As used in this Article, large constricting snakes shall mean: Reticulated
Python, Python reticulatus; Burmese Python, Python molurus; African Rock
Python, Python sebae; Amethystine Python, Morelia amethistina and Green
Anaconda, Eunectes murinus or any of their subspecies or hybrids. It shall
be unlawful for any person to own, possess, use, transport or traffic in any of
the large constricting snakes that are not housed in a sturdy and secure
enclosure. Permanent enclosures shall be designed to be escape proof and
shall have an operable lock. Each enclosure shall be labeled clearly and
visibly with the scientific name, common name, and owners identifying.

can anyone spot the problem with this part
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I see nothing wrong with that whatsoever. It means you should have it in an enclosure with latches or locks to prevent escape. It means you can't put bricks on a screen top. My boas are not even on that list and their open fronts have two metal latches on the doors. If you are all about bricks and thick books to secure your animal; I guess I can see why it would be a 'problem'.
There is also no permits, none of the chipping you made such a fuss about and no fees or licenses that you mention to hold. How do I know all of this?
I live here in NC where USARK was formed originally as NCARK. It came about because API (now Born Free USA) decided to start an anti-exotics campaign with state zoo curators and releasing exotics. That was back in 2005. This law was the result of that battle.
The current NC law is actually better than the previous law. Hell, it's better than the current PA law or any one out there.
As far as blasting Andrew goes....:censored: YOU. Let me see you give up most of your collection to go deal with scheisty politicians, animal rights extremists and their lobbyists/lawyers and brush off attacks on your personal facebook page by the people you are trying to help and never lose your cool.

You may carry on with :deadhorse
 
I read through every page since I live and breed in PA....now I dont have any of the snakes listed above and I don't mess with "HOTS" but rules and regulations will be in every State sooner or later. PA is on the list and they will add "HOTS" to it, the local news is already targeting "HOTS" in PA and if you don't believe me watch this news clip a friend sent to me after she saw my Banner in the background several times. Listen to the end of it where the news caster plugs the govt to regulate rules...

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/deadly-snakes-legally-for-sale-near-philly-111611

I personally am glad that someone wants to take the time to fight the fight...USARK
Travis Delaney
Lair of Dragons
 
Lair of Dragons said:
I read through every page since I live and breed in PA....now I dont have any of the snakes listed above and I don't mess with "HOTS" but rules and regulations will be in every State sooner or later. PA is on the list and they will add "HOTS" to it, the local news is already targeting "HOTS" in PA and if you don't believe me watch this news clip a friend sent to me after she saw my Banner in the background several times. Listen to the end of it where the news caster plugs the govt to regulate rules...

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/deadly-snakes-legally-for-sale-near-philly-111611

I personally am glad that someone wants to take the time to fight the fight...USARK
Travis Delaney
Lair of Dragons
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Oh wow, that is troubling.
 
im not gonna read this entire thread...I support USARK. They represent the industry. If we dont self regulate...we will be regulated by outsiders. Every time I read something it seems NO states have any regulations....my god....you are just asking for problems. The state of Florida has some very good rules....and some I flat out don't like....but I still have my animals...and many...many friends of mine have theirs.
 
I think that this thread leaves out a very large issue. We all want to protect our personal freedoms as reptile keepers, yet we have to realize that we represent a very small percentage of the population. To those outside the reptile community a keeper of large constrictors or venomous snakes could be considered a hazard to the community. Putting laws on the books to protect both the reptile keeper and the general public is a smart move on our part. Being proactive instead of reactionary would be even better! Reacting only when a ban is eminent doesn’t say much for our community. It makes us look like we’ve been hiding what we’ve been up to.
 
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