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switching from live rats to frozen bunnies

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i got an 07 female boa at about 5-5.5 foot, ive been feeding her freshly killed possum rats, or super jumbos, or xxxxxxl rats, or whatever u call them, and i decided to try a f/t 2lb rabbit and she seemed slightly interested and then quickly didnt give a crap. ive seen boas smaller than her take bigger rabbits so i know size isnt a issue, and the last time she ate was 3/18 so i know shes hungry, anybody got any tips that will get her to switch?
 
Heat?

Have you tried to heat the rabbit up? Many people recommend placing baggie in hottish water to warm the rabbit up before serving. Course, if you have a blow dryer you can also heat up the rabbit's face even further.

Other than that, how's your rabbit-dancing technique?

Good luck with the switch.
 
first off...I would love to know how people get these snakes to grow so quick!!!!

I have an 06 male that is barely 4' and eats like a pig.

get heat into the animal...I let them thaw naturally and then heat them with either a heat gun or put them on some flex watt fro a short period of time.

If that doesn't work...(which never had a boa refuse but trick used with balls)

put the new prey into the cage or in the bedding of the prey they are used to eating. Sometimes help put some scent on them.
 
awesome thx for ur help, it turns out that she did try to take it down but only got the head in. shes prolly just a lil nervous about a much larger meal, if she dont take this one im going to try a 1.5-1.75, i layed the rabbit in the sun cuz we dont have a heat gun, and whats better than getting cooked by the hot florida sun! we'll see if she wants to take it now thats its warmer
 
suzuki4life said:
first off...I would love to know how people get these snakes to grow so quick!!!!

when she was a young id offer her rat fuzzies almost every other day, and if she wanted id let her eat it (which was 9.9 times outta 10), and if she didnt she obviously aint hungry

i think its just a matter of appetite, but when she got to around 4ft she wanted to slow down.

i feed my females ridiculously at a young age and breed them a year late to give me nice big healthy boas, well thats my plan havent actually bred her yet...

thx for the advice!
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2 lbs is a pretty big rabbit for a 5-5.5 ft boa. I would guess that is was just plain ol too big, as opposed to her being nervous about a bigger meal.
The problem with overfeeding boas is well documented, and explains why most people promote slow growth for longevity.
 
hhmoore said:
2 lbs is a pretty big rabbit for a 5-5.5 ft boa. I would guess that is was just plain ol too big, as opposed to her being nervous about a bigger meal.
The problem with overfeeding boas is well documented, and explains why most people promote slow growth for longevity.
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normally i would agree with what you say however if your theory is correct and the animal is overfed or obese...then it wouldn't flinch at eating a 2lb rabbit. which should then be under the normal range of 1- 1 1/2 the thickest part of their body.
 
Things that would make me think...

shed record (it is near time)
humidity...is the animal dehydrated or ill from dehydration?
when is the last time it defecated?
 
I can only feel sympathy for any animal in your care,there is absolutly no call for feeding a snake at that rate.

Truly a sad deal . . . . . . . :angry: to understand just how greedy and selfish some people can be with animals.

My extended Best Wish's on your early demise and departure from this hobby.THE FUTURE WELL BEING OF MANY ANIMALS DEPENDS ON IT !!




bob-0 said:
suzuki4life said:
first off...I would love to know how people get these snakes to grow so quick!!!!

when she was a young id offer her rat fuzzies almost every other day, and if she wanted id let her eat it (which was 9.9 times outta 10), and if she didnt she obviously aint hungry

i think its just a matter of appetite, but when she got to around 4ft she wanted to slow down.

i feed my females ridiculously at a young age and breed them a year late to give me nice big healthy boas, well thats my plan havent actually bred her yet...


thx for the advice!
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i dont force feed, so whats so wrong with feeding an animal thats hungry?

if they didnt want the food id wouldnt worry about and just wait a couple days to offer again.

my boas r in excellent health, and i care for them more meticulesly than any thing else.

ive even blew a marriage cuz i cared more for my snakes than i did my fiance.

im not in this to make money, i could care less, if i wanted to make money i would be breeding triple hets and jungle albinos, not normalxnormal. i do it for the science and the hobby cuz it intrigues me.

so why dont u take ur own advice and mind ya own business, hill boy
 
for suzuki-

the last shed was alil while ago and i noticed this morning shes getting dark, but shes an aggressive feeder and will usually eat even if her eyes are completly clouded.

she deficated about a week and a half ago, i know she is completely empty and hungry.

the humidity is fairly high, but im in Florida, its almost always humid, i cant tell u exactly cuz i have no gauges hooked up.

i think it was just a too big of rabbit, its the first rabbit ive ever offered and was trying to see if she wanted it. ill prolly just try a smaller rabbit or find a bigger rat, which ever is cheaper

thx again for all ur help, we'll see what happens in a few days
 
suzuki4life said:
normally i would agree with what you say however if your theory is correct and the animal is overfed or obese...then it wouldn't flinch at eating a 2lb rabbit. which should then be under the normal range of 1- 1 1/2 the thickest part of their body.
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I'd have to disagree. An obese snake isn't any more capable of taking down a large meal then an optimum weight animal of the same length. The old tried and true "feeder the size of the largest point of the body" isn't effective if the snake is quite a bit over weight, especially if said animal is pinheaded.
 
bob-0 said:
i dont force feed, so whats so wrong with feeding an animal thats hungry?
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As I said - the problems associated with overfeeding are well documented...and widely broadcast. All one has to do is look AND be open to the information.
 
Randall Turner said:
I'd have to disagree. An obese snake isn't any more capable of taking down a large meal then an optimum weight animal of the same length. The old tried and true "feeder the size of the largest point of the body" isn't effective if the snake is quite a bit over weight, especially if said animal is pinheaded.
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I think you should physically see the animal to determine it is in fact obese before passing judgment. I was referring to the animals length.

Last I knew...obese refers to girth.
 
bob-0 said:
for suzuki-

the last shed was alil while ago and i noticed this morning shes getting dark, but shes an aggressive feeder and will usually eat even if her eyes are completly clouded.

she deficated about a week and a half ago, i know she is completely empty and hungry.

the humidity is fairly high, but im in Florida, its almost always humid, i cant tell u exactly cuz i have no gauges hooked up.

i think it was just a too big of rabbit, its the first rabbit ive ever offered and was trying to see if she wanted it. ill prolly just try a smaller rabbit or find a bigger rat, which ever is cheaper

thx again for all ur help, we'll see what happens in a few days
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high humidity....no wheezing?


yep some animals are plain picky eaters.

I guess I am lucky, mine hit pretty much anything I give them.
 
suzuki4life said:
I think you should physically see the animal to determine it is in fact obese before passing judgment. I was referring to the animals length.

Last I knew...obese refers to girth.
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With all due respect, he wasn't passing judgement or stating that the animal was obese...YOU were the one that brought up the concept of obesity,
suzuki4life said:
normally i would agree with what you say however if your theory is correct and the animal is overfed or obese...then it wouldn't flinch at eating a 2lb rabbit. which should then be under the normal range of 1- 1 1/2 the thickest part of their body.
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I mentioned that overfeeding boas is a problem, but at no point did I say anything about obesity

If you look at Randall's statement again
Randall Turner said:
I'd have to disagree. An obese snake isn't any more capable of taking down a large meal then an optimum weight animal of the same length. The old tried and true "feeder the size of the largest point of the body" isn't effective if the snake is quite a bit over weight, especially if said animal is pinheaded.
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It seems (to me, at least) that he is simply disagreeing with your statement in very general terms.
 
Thanks Harald, you are correct I was speaking in general on this subject. I haven't seen the animal the thread was started about, wouldn't presume one way or another if it is indeed obese. On the subject of feeding a boa every other day, regardless of weight gained by said animal, I know I personally wouldn't do it, even if the animal appeared to handle it just fine.
 
well i believe an animal knows its own personal limits just as we do. if the r hungry im gonna feed them, but id love to know how this went from me asking how to switch from live rats to frozen bunnies, to a huge debate on over feeding

and hhmoore

u keep speaking of the well documentation of over feeding boas, but yet i see no link to it? do u have access to these documents? cuz im more than willing to read someone elses opinion, but i think there arent any actual facts, because we cant ask the snakes if they feel fat and get an answer, so it is all just someone elses opinion. cuz i do the same with my ball pythons, is overfeeding documented wit that species too? and do u have the links?

if u would like i could post a pic of the animal the thread was started about and let u judge urselves. i just dont know how to post pics on fauna cuz im new here. i will gaurentee that my snake is in top condition, with minimal fat on the body, i know cuz i hold her every other day. shes all muscle
 
bob-0 said:
id love to know how this went from me asking how to switch from live rats to frozen bunnies, to a huge debate on over feeding
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It's called normal drift of conversation.

and hhmoore

u keep speaking of the well documentation of over feeding boas, but yet i see no link to it? do u have access to these documents? cuz im more than willing to read someone elses opinion, but i think there arent any actual facts, because we cant ask the snakes if they feel fat and get an answer, so it is all just someone elses opinion. cuz i do the same with my ball pythons, is overfeeding documented wit that species too? and do u have the links?
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I don't keep a list of links for people that can't be bothered to look for information. There are several articles and first hand accounts which address the matter. Sure, I could do a search to find them again...but so could you. (hint - a good starting place is Jeff Ronne). Then again, if you don't think there are any facts, why bother.
As for ball pythons, I do think a lot of people overfeed them; but I don't have much interest in them, so I've never looked to see if there have been problems associated with the practice. I could give you a personal account that would show that it is a waste of food (vs actually being harmful), but that isn't documented fact.

As an aside, if you are going to try to carry on a serious discussion, you should revert back to real words. The text/chat shorthand is just annoying.
 
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