Finally BABY CANDIOA - and a long strange road it's been...

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AT LAST I have 13 baby Fiji boas Candioa bibroni bibroni, and it was an ambush!

This is the first time I have managed to produce any babies after a couple of years of struggle, most documented in this forum in some form. Before I share the long strange road, here are the pics.....
 

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The long strange road bit - skip for more pics

So for those who saw my earlier struggles, here is the long strange bit. For those who would like more baby pics, feel free to skip this - more pics in my next post.

Please bear in mind I do not have herp vets available to me here, and not a lot is known about breeding this particular species - some of the following includes mistakes that may be my fault as a keeper, but I've tried to provide the best care I could. This forum has been very helpful in providing advice and encouragement, and I give all these details in the hope that they will contribute to the general knowledge of Candoia snakes.

I have been rearing Fiji Boas Candoia bibroni bibroni here in Fiji for 5 years now. My first three were captive born (from a wild mother) neonates from the Fijian Island of Taveuni. Fiji Boas are small and slow growing; it was four years before the males were large enough to be interested in breeding, and the 5 year old female is still not ready.

Last year I paired the males with a (borrowed) VERY large wild-caught female from Taveuni Island. There was very active mating for three weeks, after which they were separated and I waited with baited breath. Fiji boas have a 9 month gestation period, so it was a long wait, during which I bothered this forum with a lot of "Fat girl" pics and (probably stupid) questions. She gained weight, she stopped feeding, she shed, she started feeding again, she didn't change shape :confused: After treating her like a diva for over a year I finally had to accept that she had faked me out.... :eek:

By this time her original owner had had life changes and didn't want her back, so we sent her back to her home island, where chances are she has had MILLIONS of babies and is sniggering behind my back. :rofl:

ANYWAY... by this time I had acquired a pair of captive born females from the island of Kadavu, and decided to attempt to breed these. Candoia apparently appreciate "multiple males' when breeding, so I put these 2 large females in with my 5 (much smaller) males, and an orgy ensued. Pics of this are also on this forum somewhere. All seemed to be going well. One of the females was actively mating, the other was keeping apart up a tree, so obviously was not receptive.

All seemed on track. And then I went away for the weekend, and came back to find the actively mating female dead in the tank. I thought maybe strangled in the melee, I was very upset. I did an autopsy and she had about 25 largish eggs inside, which looked unfertilised, so there is a possibility that there was some problem I didn't know about - I wasn't sure if she would mate if already pregnant. Anyway I realised I did not know enough about this stuff, removed the other female from the tank and swore off breeding attempts.

THEN - I was offered a pair of beautiful dark orange neonates also captive born from a wild-caught mother, and very happily spread photos of these all over this site and my blog. They seemed to be doing well, feeding regularly, I had them for about 3 months. Then one regurgitated a meal and died. A month later the other one did the same thing. Once more I was very upset - I thought maybe I'd been offering meals that were too large, but they had been feeding easily until that time. Then my friends who had 6 babies from the same batch told me the same thing had happened to all 6 of theirs, so we think may be there had been some kind of genetic defect.

I don't know, but the shine was certainly off the hobby for me for a while, and I decided to simply stick to the 7 I had, which were all healthy and doing well.

AND THEN.... at 7.30pm on the evening before I was due to leave home for 3 weeks travelling, I came into the house, glanced into the snake tank, and saw two tiny faces looking out at me. After a "but the babies both died" double take, I realised that the second large Kadavu female (the one who apparently had NOT been mating) had suddenly produced 13 babies and 2 slugs! :D She had been a bit restless the week before, but I had no idea she was pregnant (Candoia babies are very small and gravid females, as I NOW know, do not swell up hugely like many other boa species).

So, here I am, unprepared, with 13 babies to feed and house and find homes for. I'm beginning to think that Candoia are practical jokers....
 
And now the pics

So here are the pics. These babies are now three weeks old, half of them have accepted their first meal of neonate house geckos, or tails of larger geckos. They are about 30cm (1 foot) long and weighed 12 gms (less than half an ounce) at birth.

There are 13 altogether, 8 are brownish, 5 are orange - but no guarantees they'll stay that way, they have chameleon-like abilities. Can't sex them yet (too small to see spurs).

The mother (from Kadavu Island) is brown with a blotchy pattern. The most likely father is brownish-pink with a diamond-back pattern (from Taveuni Island). The babies seem to have a combination of blotches and diamond zigzags.
 

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Oh, Helen!!!

I'm soooo happy for you, hon!!

Congrats on all the little ones, and my condolences on your losses along the way!!

Now, if those little cuties would just eat pinks like "normal" little snakies, I'd take a few of your hands for my daughter!!

But, since I breed geckos, that whole "geckos/gecko tails" thing wouldn't work well for us. :ack2:

Thanks sooo much for sharing your adventure in candoia breeding!!

Your pictures are beautiful!!

:D
 
Wow! Major gratz! There soooo cute!
 
Wow! Major gratz! There soooo cute!

I know - I can't stop taking photos - here's one of the little orange runt who came out half the size of the others, s/he's the one feeding in that first pic, so I'm hoping s/he'll make up for low birth weight soon!
 

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Congrats Helen! SO happy (and proud!) for you! They are gorgeous :) Keep us posted on their progress!
 
Think I found my new fav snake!lol I get realy interested in rare species that I never see to much of!!! To bad im a 4 leg kinda guy thou =/
 
Amazing story Helen! I knew you would eventually produce them! Major congrats and I'm glad you didn't get discouraged going through all the trouble with the others!
 
HUGE congrats Helen!! I've followed these escapades over the years and am just THRILLED that you finally got your baby candioa! And surprise babies at that! Good fortune you happened to see them before going on a trip.

they are so cute and tiny!!
 
Thanks so much everyone, it's really great to be able to share some good news! Makes it a lot more fun.

At first I was cursing her for dropping them the night before my trip, but thank goodness she didn't choose the night after, or they would all have been sitting in slime for at a week before my partner got home (and then HE'D have been extensively traumatised, never mind them...:ack2:)

Of course I am now obsessively snapping pics: here are a few more.

Mother in her bath, and two of the babies conclusively proving that Candoia are NOT just ground boas - all these babies made straight upwards within an hour of birth, and much prefer the ledge at the top of the tank to any ground-based hides.
 

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Thanks all of you, I'm getting snap happy now.... Here's the mother as I found her when I came in, I think less than an hour after giving birth (you can still see she's all swollen above her vent), and the newborns in a tank after a quick wash and brush up. Major challenge is keeping them there - these guys are CLIMBERS!

The Fijians say they see them "Up trees, spitting babies out from their mouths in a circle", so I presume that in the wild they climb up high and scatter the babies widely as a survival mechanism (not from their mouths though, LOL), and then the babies hurry up smaller trees as soon as possible. They're so tiny that I bet larger forest geckos would eat them if they weren't tucked away in cracks somewhere.

BTW, they have all taken their first meals now, so we're all content and happy....
 

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Big Congrats, Helen! It has indeed been a long time coming! What a great surprise, and I'm so glad to hear that all are doing well. Keep up the good work!
 
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