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Info Craig Hughes (twohy4you)

Radera5 apparently feels that a Huffman male can squeeze eggs out all on it's own.

If getting 2 of 5 snakes in the clutch is greedy, why would Abby agree to give half the clutch in the first place? When the outcome was going to be YB hatchlings, half the clutch was fine, despite the female still being "just a normal".

Only when the hatchlings were suddenly worth more MONEY was the 50/50 split suddenly not fair.

For the record, when I say he was entitled to 2 snakes, I don't mean 2 Huffmans, I mean the original agreement of half the clutch, or 2 of the 5 snakes. If all are Huffmans, it ends up as 2 Huffmans. If it had been 2 Huffmans and 3 normals, then it would have been 1 Huffman and 1 normal(assuming Abby chose, he chose, Abby chose... etc).

Since a 50/50 split was fine when it was a NORMAL female with her MORPH male, just because she switched to a different MORPH male, the agreement shouldn't have just automatically changed. I only see Abby changing the agreement once she saw higher priced hatchlings. I'd be disappointed in any 'friend' that did that to me too.
 
To add to the above...

What if she had bred to the originally agreed upon sire, and instead of YB hatchlings, there were 5 brand new morphs? IF the hatchlings came out as purple-spotted new morphs, would Abby feel that only 1 baby was okay, and the original agreement didn't stand?
 
rabernet said:
But WOULD she have gone out and purchased another female if he didn't agree to the new deal and the breeding was halted? Wouldn't she have done that anyway (procured females for her Huffman), knowing that the original agreement was a YB clutch and that female wouldn't be used for Huffmans (originally)?

This was a bonus, unplanned female to put her Huffman to. Any way you slice it, they were produced in ADDITION to the ones that she had already in her breeding plans. And yes, the female contributed to the production of that clutch. Without her, there would be no bonus clutch.
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I would assume Abby's common sense kicked in, when the Ivory wouldn't breed....what is another good candidate? Or I guess they/she could have not bred her at all:rolleyes:.......

That just doesn't make sense to me. I get it.....they screwed up by not making a clear deal for the new pairing. I don't get any of the rest, just because no new deal was made doesn't mean the old deal just sticks. She agreed to the Ivory because giving away half of a YB clutch is do-able. Giving away half of a Huffman clutch, to ANYONE, EVER, just for providing a normal female is a long shot. I would guess that if he came and asked her to pair his normal to her Huff the agreement would have been quite a bit different.

I guess none of this matters though:shrug01:
 
Wolfy-hound said:
Radera5 apparently feels that a Huffman male can squeeze eggs out all on it's own.
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:rofl:

I needed that laugh.

Back on topic, I do agree though, why should the agreement change if the morph did? You ran a morph male to a normal female, does not matter if it was a YB, Huffman, or whatever, why should the agreement change?

I'm not saying he deserves two of the Huffmans, just an even split with at least one of the confirmed visuals.

Or give him a Huffman and YB. So what if it "involves two clutches," you still get to keep the supposed Huffmans and sell them for whatever you feel like.
 
radera5 said:
Giving away half of a Huffman clutch, to ANYONE, EVER, just for providing a normal female is a long shot. :
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Again, that all depends on the owner's(of the Huffman) perceived value of the Huffman. So this again, boils down to perceived value.
 
RobNJ said:
Again, that all depends on the owner's(of the Huffman) perceived value of the Huffman. So this again, boils down to perceived value.
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Right on.

Without that normal female these Huffmans (I hate the grammar fail with that name) would NOT EXIST!

I just don't see how changing the morph male should change anything with this deal.
 
Okay first off.....the deal would change with the morph for the same reason that a price changes for a morph......I am not sure why that is so hard to understand:shrug01:

I also clearly said that she could have and would have bought a normal for herself, so no, I don't really think the Huff can push 'em out himself. Good one though:thumbsup:

Depends on the owners perceived value?? I think we have already seen that a Huff is a bit more than a YB....maybe we all don't agree on price, but if you think the Huff is that low then I can see why you feel how you do about all this.

Again though, the deal would change with the morph for the same reason price changes with morphs. This seems quite obvious, but I guess I am just out gunned here. :rolleyes:.....Oh well.

If anyone ever has a Huff they want to trade for a YB....let me know!! :yesnod:
 
radera5 said:
Okay first off.....the deal would change with the morph for the same reason that a price changes for a morph......I am not sure why that is so hard to understand:shrug01:

I also clearly said that she could have and would have bought a normal for herself, so no, I don't really think the Huff can push 'em out himself. Good one though:thumbsup:

Depends on the owners perceived value?? I think we have already seen that a Huff is a bit more than a YB....maybe we all don't agree on price, but if you think the Huff is that low then I can see why you feel how you do about all this.

Again though, the deal would change with the morph for the same reason price changes with morphs. This seems quite obvious, but I guess I am just out gunned here. :rolleyes:.....Oh well.

If anyone ever has a Huff they want to trade for a YB....let me know!! :yesnod:
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We can tell you're not biased at all..... :rolleyes:
 
bloodybaroness said:
I just don't see how changing the morph male should change anything with this deal.
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Apparently some people feel perceived value of the animals is more important than a friendship. If this was a straight business deal, I could understand to a point but it appeared to originally be a 'favor' friendship loan. Lesson learned for all parties - make sure to get all the details in writing and agreed to BEFORE breeding the snakes.

REGARDLESS - it's all just opinions and personally, I don't know why we are all going back and forth over and over when at this point the only thing that really matters is if Craig and Abby have to come to an agreement.
 
sfconstrictors said:
No, you have been on Abby's side from the beginning, and we can all see it. Un-biased opinions are usually better.

I guess it's all about the $$ signs over doing what's right anyways, isn't it? :shrug01:
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Best part of that little story is I don't know either of them....whatsoever. Never spoken with one of them in my life. Therefor I did the same thing you and everyone else did/ are doing, reading each side and making my opinions from there.....If I knew Abby I could see a point. Being that I don't, there really isn't one.
 
If money takes precedence over a friendship, it was never a friendship in the first place. Give the guy half the clutch and go your seperate ways.

Regards,

B
 
AbsoluteApril said:
Apparently some people feel perceived value of the animals is more important than a friendship. If this was a straight business deal, I could understand to a point but it appeared to originally be a 'favor' friendship loan. Lesson learned for all parties - make sure to get all the details in writing and agreed to BEFORE breeding the snakes.
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:iagree:

We feel the same way then.

I hope all parties get what they want.
 
Kingofspades said:
If I am building a house...I buy the land, the lumber, get the permits and build it myself...and you only contribute the nails...that doesn't make the house half yours.
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I don't agree with this analogy. It would imply that the male has done all of the work simply because he's a morph and the female's done nothing because she's normal. Using this same analogy I would argue that the female bought the land, cut her own lumber, got all of the necessary permits and built the house. The male simply contributed a coat of paint once everything was finished. :p
 
Quiet Tempest said:
I don't agree with this analogy. It would imply that the male has done all of the work simply because he's a morph and the female's done nothing because she's normal. Using this same analogy I would argue that the female bought the land, cut her own lumber, got all of the necessary permits and built the house. The male simply contributed a coat of paint once everything was finished. :p
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Guess that could be summed up simply: Sperm Donor :D
 
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