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Are you afraid to buy high end snakes due to potential legislation?

Are you afraid to invest in snakes due to potential legislation?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • Somewhat

    Votes: 38 39.2%
  • Not at all

    Votes: 38 39.2%
  • Its the economy

    Votes: 11 11.3%

  • Total voters
    97

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I have read articles and heard many view points on this and I am curious to get some numbers here on exactly how many people are not investing in high end snakes due to possible legislation. Let me know what you think! :shrug01:
 
I have read articles and heard many view points on this and I am curious to get some numbers here on exactly how many people are not investing in high end snakes due to possible legislation. Let me know what you think! :shrug01:

High end snakes that are on the banned list, or any species of High end snakes?:shrug01:
 
There are those people out there who are not buying because of the current legislation that is in the works. Some snake species are being hit harder then others, especially if they are on the list to be banned.

The economy is killing everything. I sell to a few pet stores and they haven't had good sales in a while. Most people are buying food and maintanence products for the current animals that they have, but are not buying more animals.

Some of the low morph prices are a result of both of these factors. People want to sell their animals now, and don't have the patience to sit on them so they get into price wars, as who can sell the cheapest. This results in the market crashing and it will crash even more in 2010. Boas have been taking a beating, and Balls have been dropping also, but not like the boa prices.

Hopefully things will get better soon. The bad part is that when people sell cheap because of the economy or whatever, the prices don't usually go back up when things get better. Right now, all we can do is hope for the best.
 
Deborah, both on the list or off. I have heard of people scared to buy small constrictors, in fear they will be added to the list.

I appreciate your comment Brian, good input. thanks
 
Deborah, both on the list or off. I have heard of people scared to buy small constrictors, in fear they will be added to the list.

I appreciate your comment Brian, good input. thanks

Then Brian did a good summary of the constrictor's market climate; However, I haven't noticed any "price wars." People that tend to price high, continue to do that, and people that just want to breed and who also have another avenue of revenue continue to price their product to sell.

People that tend to overbreed (produce too much) do tend to drop prices later because they can't afford to feed so many mouths if they don't sell immediately..that does have some affect on prices...but

I haven't noticed anyone (in my small world) being afraid to purchase constrictors. They may not want to spend BIG BUCKS on them because of the market/prices..but afraid from the banning..that's not the sense I get from the majority of people.
 
I personally am the type to not give in to things like this. I have been taking advantage of the buyers market right now and building an impressive boa collection. I will not stop breeding and keeping them regardless of the legislation, and honestly the more of us with this attitude the harder/more costly it will be to enforce and the more likely it will be overturned (remember the prohibition), especially when they realize the crippling economic effects.
 
Debroh, i felt the same way you do, that most people arent scared of the legislation. Thats why i started this poll, i kept hearing the market was bad due to legislation but i didnt believe it... Man IM SHOCKED at our poll up there we have so far about 35% of people limiting purchases due to legislation.

I know this is only the first day of the poll but it seems that some people are scared to buy. I'd like to hear some comments from those people. And dont be afraid to comment no one here is going to yell at you or say your wrong for your choices (i hope) lol.
 
The proposed legislation has definitely affected not only my buying habits, but the time line for the way I intended to build my collection as well.

I weigh every single boa I want up against the possible worst outcome of it. Most come up short.

I will be leaving this state, I will be taking my snakes with me. Boas & all, regardless of the outcome. Any boa I buy now has to awesome enough for me to break federal law for.

There are also boas I've went all out for ahead of schedule just in case it passes and I can't get my hands on them in the future.

And I'm really really tempted to grab a retic now instead of waiting, even though I know I should wait.

In regard to species not yet on the list, that also affected my planned purchases.

I bought some Carpets ahead of schedule. Just in case, since I figure they'd be one of the next easy targets if this passes or is tried again.

It managed to even out to me spending about the same amount of money I normally would, just a lot more carefully & in a slightly different direction.
 
I voted that its the economy!!! But also feel kinda scared about new laws affecting my love and passion for these beautiful animals.

A) With the economy down (but I think it is bouncing back just very slowly) I buy a few hundred or thousand dollar snake and by the time I breed it the babies are worth fractions less.

B) If the new laws come to pass and hold it will only be a matter of time before they come after all reptile keepers.
 
For me, its the economy. If I had 20grand to spend, id blow it in about half a second, and own one of nerds leucy retics.
 
I am trying to be positive about it all. And like Twizted Paths, regardless of the outcome of the "python ban" I will continue to keep my beloved snakes.
 
if the ban does happen would we be able to keep what animals we had prior to the ban or are they going to actually take them away ?

i mean i wouldn't throw it past our gov to do something like that

i guess instead of the war on drugs they would switch to wasting billions of taxpayers money on the war snake/pets i think its crazy they say the us is free

its free except you can't do this this and this don't forget this ect... :reddevil:
 
It's a buyer market still!!! We are purchasing and collecting still!! We do our own rodents, so it don't bother us none!! McLovin it!!!
 
If the ban goes through I understand that we can keep them as pets, just can't transport them over state line in any way. Mine aren't going anywhere.
 
The proposed legislation has definitely affected not only my buying habits, but the time line for the way I intended to build my collection as well.

I weigh every single boa I want up against the possible worst outcome of it. Most come up short.

I will be leaving this state, I will be taking my snakes with me. Boas & all, regardless of the outcome. Any boa I buy now has to awesome enough for me to break federal law for.

There are also boas I've went all out for ahead of schedule just in case it passes and I can't get my hands on them in the future.

And I'm really really tempted to grab a retic now instead of waiting, even though I know I should wait.

In regard to species not yet on the list, that also affected my planned purchases.

I bought some Carpets ahead of schedule. Just in case, since I figure they'd be one of the next easy targets if this passes or is tried again.

It managed to even out to me spending about the same amount of money I normally would, just a lot more carefully & in a slightly different direction.

Good planning! This is a perspective that I hadn't thought about!:thumbsup:
 
I voted "Somewhat" because for me it's not just the economy that's causing me to evaluate getting back into breeding large python species. It's also a pointless effort if I'm only stuck selling them within my state.
I would rather just have one or two who are solely pets if that's going to be the case.
 
Do you know yet what the penalties would be for transporting snakes across states? If it's fines might some people just kind of build that into prices?
 
lol. Thats funny. We herpers will find a way! I am sure that it will not end with these 9 species being illegal in anyway. They will come up with something to make us happy. They don't want this to end up like some other things that are illegal now, lol. If you know what I mean. :dgrin:
 
I see some people that say they are worried that they can only sell in their state. But don't forget that only people in your state can sell in your state!!

No more wholesale animals coming into Ohio to be sold at shows, only those bred in Ohio. Might not be good for all the Florida and California breeders, but not all bad for most states.
 
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