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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Are you afraid to buy high end snakes due to potential legislation?

Are you afraid to invest in snakes due to potential legislation?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 10 10.3%

  • Somewhat

    Votes: 38 39.2%

  • Not at all

    Votes: 38 39.2%

  • Its the economy

    Votes: 11 11.3%
  • Total voters
    97
Just adding my 2 cents: I am not worried about the new legislation, and its not going to stop myself and alot of other reptile owners from doing what we enjoy. I have stated this on a previous thread somewhere earlier,

Even IF this law is introduced, common sense is that most states are in such financial hardship at this time, that hiring enforcement officers, spending money on proper training and such things are not gonna take top priority in state budgets at this time.

I mean lets face it, this seems to be a major problem and concern for anyone who live in the state of florida and I am sure they will have to contend with some obstacles with their future laws. I am in Pa, and have talked to some relatively local enforcement officials that say with medical reform, unemployment rates increasing, business closings and more that this wouild be low on their list, especially when there are more complaints involving dogs on a daily basis then there are of snakes on a yearly basis. HELL, our local police dept has cut officers and is working understaffed due to financal hardshi. Do you think taxpayers are gonna let officials spend taxpayer money to hire an enforcement officer to look for contraband snakes, when they cant afford officers to enforce the laws with normal criminal activity. I think not. I will be the first one in that line waiting to voice my opinion.

Also lets think about the whole crossing of state lines. Unless their is a state border patrol at every state crossing, how would they even consider enforcing this, how would they even know? The only thing I could really see that affecting would possibly be the shows, but at the same time, I could just drive my animals across state lines and set them up on my buddies tables who resides in that state, and sell them off his table.

Way to many if's and loop holes in any kind of the enforcenment of said legislation.
 
mikeyt said:
Even IF this law is introduced, common sense is that most states are in such financial hardship at this time, that hiring enforcement officers, spending money on proper training and such things are not gonna take top priority in state budgets at this time...

...Way to many if's and loop holes in any kind of the enforcenment of said legislation.
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This is why I am not concerned about the legislation. In my case, FLFWS doesn't have the staffing of officers or the financial budget. I have spoken with a few officers, that understand the real long term risk of these species and love them. To expound the situation, they don't agree with the legislation nor do they believe that they can effectively enforce it.
 
I am not at all afraid to purchase snakes due to the legislation I'm just mad that of all things they are trying to group the people who take great care of their animals with the people who are crap and do not take care of them and do not have adequate caging or security to go with the animal. I'm also thinking how this is going to kill the economy even further as the pet/animal business is important, millions of animals are bought and sold and granted reptiles are only a percentage of said animal sales but i believe an important part. just my 2 cents
 
You"ll do it anyway?

It is worth it.

I will not curl up in fear or roll over because they want to pass another unenforceable law that is driven solely by political agendas and fueled by government issued propaganda paid for with my hard earned tax dollars.

There is no real reason for me to stop breeding. My animals are not endangering the safety of the nation or the people in it.

This is not how our founding fathers intended the government to be ran. They stated this & gave us the power to fight back.

To simply roll over in fear is to spit on their collective graves.
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Really thats how you feel great then you wouldn't mind helping my out and mailing me some cocaine how about a 8 ball that be great you can send it to 920 jay street Manitowoc WI 54220 or you could just drive a cross state lines it's really close thanks that will be a big help:thumbsup:






Even IF this law is introduced, common sense is that most states are in such financial hardship at this time, that hiring enforcement officers, spending money on proper training and such things are not gonna take top priority in state budgets at this time.
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Thats what the hippies thought, the DEA brings in billions.








:?party:
" How could they stop us from growing a plant its all natural "
 
Its like reefer maddness all other again just watch animal planet or discovery channel any time day or night.
 
oldworldlife said:
Really thats how you feel great then you wouldn't mind helping my out and mailing me some cocaine how about a 8 ball that be great you can send it to 920 jay street Manitowoc WI 54220 or you could just drive a cross state lines it's really close thanks that will be a big help:thumbsup:









Thats what the hippies thought, the DEA brings in billions.








:?party:
" How could they stop us from growing a plant its all natural "
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That has to be one of the most asinine comparisons I have heard. I absolutely LOVE when people bring ridiculous arguments like this around.. HERE WE GO! First off, this goes without saying for most people, but just in case you missed it, comparing cocaine to reptiles is absurd. lets list a few problems with cocaine.

1. Coke heads rob, murder, and commit all sorts of crimes for cocaine, it is highly addictive.
2. Drug dealers murder other drug dealers for cocaine.
3. People over dose on Cocaine.
4. Communities are taken over by drug dealers, gangs, and coke houses, people are getting in drug wars over it, shooting innocent people in drive by shootings. The community and people are suffering because of it. Same with Marijuana, obviously you wont be overdosing but most of the above mentioned comes along with that too.

And as far as animal control goes, they are called in by people who see or know of animal abuse.. How many neighbors are going to call in saying the neighbors snake is barking and looks really thirsty or is tied up in the back yeard, you said it yourself Watch animal planet! Please do explain how exactly any gov. enforcement agency is going to even attempt to regulate this bill ESPECIALLY when it allows you to breed and keep reptiles as long as you dont cross the state lines.. We are talking about the gov. hiring people to stand along all state borders through out the U.S searching cars for snakes? is that what you expect to happen? Or maybe a totally new agency like the DEA specifically created to setting up sting operations catching people crossing state borders.. That would be a MASSIVE expense to the gov. that by the way NO ONE cares about! No communities are saying SCREW UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, HEALTH CARE, OR FIGHTING CRIME WE NEED SOME SNAKE REGULATION! If you know of such a community please I would love to hear about it.

Sorry for the hostility of this post but ignorant absurd scare tactic statements like that with not even a single factual piece of information or valid point other than "thats what the hippies said" does nothing but hurt the reptile community. If you wish to address anything stated above, please bring exact facts and real correlations between cocaine and snakes, the support of drug enforcement and the support of the proposed reptile bill, and the governments budget for drug crimes and what you would imagine the budget will be for stopping snakes from making it between states.
 
It is people with ideals of freedom and fighting oppressive government that made America great, this is what Americas founding fathers stood for and I will continue to stand for. Complacency and fear is what will lead to the fall of America. Laws are supposed to protect or aid Americans not oppress them.
 
Is this what they taught you in those DARE classes

lets list a few problems with cocaine.

1. Coke heads rob, murder, and commit all sorts of crimes for cocaine, it is highly addictive.
2. Drug dealers murder other drug dealers for cocaine.
3. People over dose on Cocaine.
4. Communities are taken over by drug dealers, gangs, and coke houses, people are getting in drug wars over it, shooting innocent people in drive by shootings. The community and people are suffering because of it. Same with Marijuana, obviously you wont be overdosing but most of the above mentioned comes along with that too.
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Everything about this is the same the governments scare tactics on TV , the way there going around the system to implement there new laws . history always repeats it's not reefer madness it's constrictor madness

look out those flower power gangs, hippies might shoot you for your tie-die or there is all those drive by hacky sack games
I think the new one is they throw Frisbee's at you there called the chain gang
 
No communities are saying SCREW UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, HEALTH CARE, OR FIGHTING CRIME WE NEED SOME SNAKE REGULATION! If you know of such a community please I would love to hear about it.
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My home town just laid off four social workers out of 7 and last year there was no salt "in wisconsin" in the budget but in march we got our 3rd drug metro officer I don't know about you but now I feel safer driving home at night in a snow storm
this is a city of 37,000
 
I dont need dare classes to know how things work. My wife is a social worker in Flint, not a great place.. Two of my former friends from high school were shot and killed in a coke deal gone wrong one in the head (Anthony
Anderberg) the other in the stomach (Dane marsino). 2 other friends of mine overdosed and died in high school. That's not just propaganda. The rest of what you said is so nonsensical im not sure how to respond... I guess let our posts speak for themselves and be done with it.
 
good point
You hang around some real classy people.
and
maybe you didn't need the DARE classes
but your friends did.
 
oldworldlife said:
My home town just laid off four social workers out of 7 and last year there was no salt "in wisconsin" in the budget but in march we got our 3rd drug metro officer I don't know about you but now I feel safer driving home at night in a snow storm
this is a city of 37,000
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So let me see if I can figure this out right Oldworldlife. You are on a reptile site that is for reptile pet owners keepers hobbies and breeders. But you are with the fact that the government is going to take away your right to own a reptile or cross state lines with it or what ever will come of this. Trust me if they get the laws passed that they want one day the only way you will see a reptile is through a piece of glass at a zoo.

Now if you are a reptile owner and love reptiles like everyone else here does which should be the only reason you are even on this site they you should be against anything your government wants to do with your reptiles.

This country was founded by free men who some gave there lives for that right and to protect it. Yet day in and day out our government wants to take away just one more thing from us. Its all about control!!! They think they have the power. We are many!!! We will not bow down to conformity.

As for the drug side and trying to compare it. Well drugs were for most of them and there lives illegal. For only a min was a drug legal.

But for as long as our history books go back people have kept pets. Even reptiles!!! Now because there is a much smaller problem then people think down here in Florida our right and passion should be taken from us. I don't think so!!!

Not that I keep any big constrictors but it will only be a matter of time before those that hate and fear what we love will come after all reptiles. I for one will not stand for it and will not conform. My reptiles stay!!! I will continue to own breed sell and transport what ever reptiles I wish.
 
"When the people fear their Government, there is Tyranny. When the Government fears the people, there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson.
 
All good points as usual Bear.

I will continue to respect the cease fire you called for earlier in this thread :thumbsup:
 
Personally, this whole situation has made me more aggressive in purchasing the snakes I've always wanted for my breeding program. If it passes, I'll be much more selective about what I breed, when I breed it so as not to flood the Washington state market with boas. That said, I can't miss out on my chance to own a sunglow jungle, or a sunglow motley, etc. These are my dream snakes, and in the off chance interstate sales are banned, I want to have my snakes before that happens... I've been fortunate enough to buy most of those snakes now, so that I have my dream collection regardless of the outcome.
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
"When the people fear their Government, there is Tyranny. When the Government fears the people, there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson.
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Excellent point. I voted in the "somewhat" category. Mainly because I've noticed how our government is resembling Europe in right around 1933 more & more, and complete with "Homeland Security". I hope I can recommend a DVD I rented recently called "Terror Storm". After watching this and websearching a little, I found some pretty convincing evidence. One by one our liberties are being taken away. Heck, the income tax law that makes us pay taxes is an illegally passed piece of "legislation". It was not ratified by enough states, and it is a direct tax, which must be apportioned to the people, according to the constitution of the USA I've read, but it isn't. If they can pull this one off, keeping citizens from their reptiles should be a walk in the park. Just my $0.02
 
"I highly doubt people are calling up congressmen nationally saying " my neighbor has some snakes DO SOMETHING" lol.."

neighbors dont call legislators but they do call local LE and it starts from there.
In WI, most municipalities and many counties prohibit ownership of snakes over 3-6ft, depending on location. AC in Milwaukee, Madison, LaCrosse and many other cities and counties are staffed by actual PETA and HSUS members. They stage public-spectacle raids that are commando attacks staffed by local police, state wildlife agencies, and USFWS. The Terry Cullen case set a legal precedent that rack systems for snakes have been declared as inhumane housing and is a chargeable offense in this state.
When they find out about collections, they are publicized to the media as "hoarding" situations and are sensationalized out of all proportion.
We are picked off one by one with no public outcry or unified front, and driven to bankruptcy with fines and legal defense.
It's become too dangerous to keep animals in this state. HSUS has bought the WI legislature to squash animal enterprises.
I am in the process of selling all of my reptiles. I just dont want to deal with the gestapo anymore.
 
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