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We bought this female a while back and she is my daughter's pride and joy. However, genetics are completely unknown. After discussing her with several people we are curious to see what others think she looks like.

We know she's an anery, but the lightest white we have ever seen.

Any thoughts?
 

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well it has a circle back partial latter tail pattern. To me it resembles the aztec morph more then anything. Not saying its an aztec but I think I would definitely see if the pattern is genetic and then try for a super with the offspring.
 
Alberto, we felt the same thing after doing a ton of research... I haven't seen any anery aztecs out there though.... could it be possible we got that lucky??? LOL
 
wellll there are only 2 anery aztecs in existence, the potts bros have both and i believe they are going for 12k or so. I would say it is very unlikely that you have an aztec from their line. I think it is far more probable that you have a possibly genetically circle back latter tail pattern animal that you need to prove out. There are many lines with that trait out there but only a few with crazy cool supers that are worth putting a name on.

I think the best thing you can do is

1. produce babies with this boa, take a male (assuming the pattern expresses in the litter and breed it back to big momma here) cross your fingers and hope for a super

or

2. Sell that boa to me and let me handle it lol...
 
LMAO Alberto... my 16 year old would kill me... This is her baby...
I will definately look to breed her to a cool (and def) anery male...
What other suggestions would you breed her to?
 
When trying to prove this out I would go simple. You want to be able to identify if the pattern is genetic so I would definitely not do any pattern morphs. Probably like you said an anery, but not a ghost, i would stay away from the hypo gene, it tends to break up patterns sometimes.

Personally I would put it to a sharp albino or a T+ boa

That would give you double het anery sharp or anery caramel and all the babies would look normalish so there is no question of their pattern.
 
beautiful anery! I personally wouldn't call that a circle back or ladder tail, but I can see how the pattern is trying to do that, it's not quite there. I LOVE lateral stripes, hers are gorgeous! She may have some central american blood in the mix based on the patterning (just a guess of course!).

In my mind, since her genes are not known, I'd breed her to a kahl strain first just to make sure she's not a het, cause if you go the sharp route and she's got kahl genes floating around in there it'll be a mess later. She'd probably also make some nice kids with a motley as she's already got nice big chunky sqare saddles, would probably make for motley babies with a good strong pattern.

Good luck whatever you decide, I love anerys and that's a nice one!
 
First of all, she's gorgeous and I can see why your daughter isn't about to let her go!! Beautiful boa!!!

I'm with April and think she would make some gorgeous motley babies. For me, it'd be a toss-up between my hypo motley and my hypo jungle, both het anery (ghost). While I agree with Alberto about the hypo gene screwing with the original pattern, you'd have a nice mix of offspring!!
 
****great thought just ran through my head. send a picture to the potts bros, they have anery aztecs and can probably tell you 100% aztec or not to put that to rest.

I still think this pattern could be reproducible if this boa is 100% columbian. kahl and Sharp strains do not occupy the same allele since one is T+ and one is T- so the slim chance that this boa carries the kahl gene should not be an issue if bred to a sharp.

The reason I think this boa resembles an aztec is the circle back pattern, which if you look that boa is mostly circle back, and the two first tail patterns trying to square like a ladder tail. Throw the lateral striping and the chunky saddles in and that thing really looks like an aztec. The only thing not aztec about it is the breaks in the circle back pattern right before the tail.

http://www.vpi.com/sites/vpi.com/fi...sites/vpi.com/files/MG_2771 jpg x 900x600.JPG
 
bear said:
kahl and Sharp strains do not occupy the same allele since one is T+ and one is T- so the slim chance that this boa carries the kahl gene should not be an issue if bred to a sharp.
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right, I'm just saying there's a slim chance someone would buy siblings from a litter, breed them together and get kahls and sharps. yes it's an incredibly slim chance, but had to just put it out there as devil's advocate.

it's just a shame the parents couldn't be known, history information helps so much

Personally if it was mine, I'd pair her with a jungle or hypo jungle. :D
 
Since when were Sharp albinos T+? I've been working with Sharps a long time and never seen anything that resembled melanin peaking out anywhere.

On the topic, that is one badass Anery boa. I have seen normals that resemble her, they are incredible animals and she is even better as an anerytheristic. I don't believe that she's an aztec, but she does sort of have the look of one. Very nice snake, and your daughter should be proud.

Chris
 
JCCS said:
Since when were Sharp albinos T+? I've been working with Sharps a long time and never seen anything that resembled melanin peaking out anywhere.

On the topic, that is one badass Anery boa. I have seen normals that resemble her, they are incredible animals and she is even better as an anerytheristic. I don't believe that she's an aztec, but she does sort of have the look of one. Very nice snake, and your daughter should be proud.

Chris
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sharp albinos are thought to be a very low grade t+ albino, that is why they are compatible visually with the bw caramel boas to produce the paradigms.

This is the direct quote from basically boas website explaining this.

http://www.basicallyboas.com/paradigmgeneticsII.html

"we believe we can say, with some level of certainty, that the Sharp Albinos in fact maybe "T-Positive" Albinos. The "greatest" or most complete form of "T-Positive" animals to be sure but in a more technical aspect there probably isn't really such thing as being "more" T-Positive than any other T-Positive animals. The supposed Boas either have their reduction of melanin altered by Tyrosinase or they don't. The differences are in how much melanin production remains.

After long discussions on the forum clarifying precisely what "Tyrosinase-Positive" means, it is clear that the Sharon Moore Caramel Hypo is actually one of the forms of "Tyrosinase Positive" Boas known to exist today. A lesser "grade" of T-Positive if you will, but T-Positive nonetheless. We guess you could define the Sharp Albinos as the most complete "T-Positive Albino" or the highest "grade" of T-Positive. "
 
That's nothing more than a theory. The genes do not have to be related in order to be on the same allele. Hypo is a simple dominant trait and motley is a incomplete dominant trait, yet they are on the same allele. I don't even know if there's great evidence to say the BWC is a form of albino, instead of a recessive hypo.

Chris
 
snakemami said:
LMAO Alberto... my 16 year old would kill me... This is her baby...
I will definately look to breed her to a cool (and def) anery male...
What other suggestions would you breed her to?
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An anery motley or a motley het anery would be my choice. Breeding boas is not only a hobby, but a chance for us to improve on certain species/morphs. If you breed her to a motley het anery or anery motley, you will get some killer babies. On the other hand, April has a good idea, a Jungle bred to her would make some nice babies as well. For me, Motley would be #1 option,
Jungle #2. Best of luck!
 
You are correct Chris, the motley and hypo gene occupy the same allele, not allowing for a super hypo motley... As far as I know the sharp and kahl strains do not occupy the same allele and even if they did, in this situation, I would not withhold a sharp breeding on the assumption that a boa would randomly be carrying the kahl gene.

On the issue of sharps being T+, I personally side with Jeff Ronne and Basically Boas but to each his own i guess...
 
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