Robin?

[dwedeking]

My recollection of the incident with Dr Owens was that a) Yes, you backed up your moderator but it seemed to be from a logical rational standpoint instead of the standpoint that your moderator was infallible even in light of facts b) You took the input of your members and Dr Owens and seemed to have bridged the difference between the two camps of that argument as a leader of the site. To me the actions of the groups of this incident and the Dr Owens incident seem to be in stark contrast to each other, as do the forseeable results.

 

[Jim O]

Fauna...the cure for insominia? Chris and Dan you both need to sleep more.

 

[Jim O]

By the way Rich (and you seem also to need a cure for insomnia posting in the middle of the night in your time zone too), Dan is right. You have taken sides even in your pretense of not having done so. I have no personal issue with Lucille (though I admit that I pointed out to her that she, like people in at least 46 of the 48 continental United States, is on Daylight time not Standard time this part of the year). But the plain fact is that she made a serious error in judgement in posting that in the Welcome forum. As a moderator she ought to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, and you as site owner ought to be able to set the tone for all of the moderators. You have given at least one moderator warning points in the past. At the very least, Lucille needs to come here and explain herself.

As for Robin, she got warning points for reputation system abuse. Is Robin not entitled to give negative rep points for a post that she thought was bad? Or was the warning for the comment? If it was for the comment that Robin made privately then what about Lucille who posted it publicly? And the argument that Lucille may not have known that it was in poor taste (given the source and the situation) is floating in a septic tank somewhere.

 

[Chris@TSE]

"But the plain fact is that she made a serious error in judgement in posting that in the Welcome forum. As a moderator she ought to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, and you as site owner ought to be able to set the tone for all of the moderators. You have given at least one moderator warning points in the past. At the very least, Lucille needs to come here and explain herself."

AMEN! Nice to see yet another individual feel the same way, yet Rich states "I think someone wants the crap to hit the fan, but is completely unaware of which way the air is moving."

I've got information brother. That someone is you.

Seems like your mindless groupies are not agreeing with you blindly like they have in the past. In fact it seems the general concencus here is you're wrong. But let me guess.... Waaa Waa Waaa It's my board screw everyone right? Thought so. sieg heil!

You're right. Its your board. You may do as you wish..... But at what cost? you never used to treat people this way, how long do you think it will take before it comes back to haunt you?! Something like this would have not warrented your attention had it been a regular user, you said so yourself. sieg heil!

This time its a moderator who is obviously in the wrong yet you are blindly defending them. Robin takes your warning points without argument and the issue turns to Lucille, all the while you continue wasting everyones time by trying to change the tide back towards Robin and her untranslated post rather than move the damn thread out from where it did not belong and deal with lucille. Yes I know.... waaa waaaa waaaa thanks for telling me how to run my board waaa waaa waaa please accpet this snide remark rather than a respectable answer. sieg heil!

I'm not telling you how to do anything. I'm relaying an obvious course of action. A course of action you chose to ignore. You decided to focus on Robin this time, what was it? An attempt to change the direction of the angry mob? Trying to help Lucille avoid the aftermath of a thread she should have taken up privately? Either way you failed.... Sorry. Seems no one really cares about the translation. Everyone knew from the start that it wasnt anything positive or really worth researching. Robin was given her points and attention was drawn to the remaining matter at hand. Lucille. Even you cannot distract people away from that.... sieg heil!

But let me guess...... Everyone else has to answer for actions like that, but not lucille right? sieg heil!

I commend your actions, its nice to see you are capable of defending someone other than yourself given the proper motivation but even you must admit that this is a conflict that does not involve you. Granted in most cases I have seen its only your fellow moderators but HEY! Thats cool.... Good for you. Atleast you're somewhat capable. Truth be told the only way this situation would have involed you to this extent would be in reaction to one of Lucilles reported posts or pms whining for assistance. In any other case you would have stumbled upon it yourself, moved it, and made a snide comment. Yet here you are, ignoring the fact one of your own has done something you would deem punishable had it been someone else. Why? Because Lucille is incapable of fighting her own battles and cleaning her own messes. Otherwise we would not be graced with so much of your attention. You know this, please do not try making an excuse for it. sieg heil!

I'm willing to bet if any of us had done something similar you would have been right there to slap us on the hand and scream NO! lol

"And the argument that Lucille may not have known that it was in poor taste (given the source and the situation) is floating in a septic tank somewhere."

Im sorry but "playing dumb" may work VERY well for Lucille, but not this time. You cannot expect anyone to believe that she did not know that it was in poor taste. She posted it publicly with a sarcastic remark regarding service to your auctions hoping to justify doing so..... But hey, if excuses work better for you, SUIT YOURSELF right?

Keep making excuses Rich rather than simply dealing with the issue at hand. People want to see your moderator answer for her actions. People want to see you enforce your rules equally. sieg heil!

I'm still wondering where the Rich I used to respect has gone. Something has changed....... And I certainly do not like it. This place used to resemble a community..... Now it resembles Nazi Germany. You used to care what people thought, their thoughts and ideas helped mold this place... Now when you ask opinions you make damn sure to let everyone know you've got final say and thier answers basically do not directly affect anything. How respectable. sieg heil!

As Jim said, your moderators should be held to a higher stand. How about you enforce that higher standard instead of playing babysitter. Stop the excuses and what if's... Everyone has seen what has happened and it is not like you have not had to run to lucilles aide before.............. she practiclly whines and crys about everything under the sun! I commend the job she does in the fauna fund & welcome section. Yay for her.... Is that supposed to excuse her actions?! No. Does that mean she gains the blind protection of the owner. You betchya.............. sieg heil!

She's able to continue a fund that was initially started with the intentions of helping a free forum remain free, and help take the burden off of YOU, the owner. Yet this effort was quickly thwarted by your pay system. I agreed at the time...... But wait... Why the hell is the fauna fund still around then?! (until it was recently renamed of course for a good cause)

You mean you're making people pay and still fishing for handouts?! Hmmm.... I can think of a few words to describe that one... You can't have it both ways Rich. Want people to pay to access aspects of this site?! Then stop accepting handouts. Stick to your subscriptions. You may even want to offer those who put up these sorts of donations REFUNDS considering the whole reason they made these donations was to avoid a pay structure. I'm sure you havent let that bother you though....

I know I for one put up donations to make sure it did not have to come to this. But nevertheless it did..... I didnt think much of it at the time, I was just happy this place would continue to prosper. Or so I thought... Here you go guys... Thanks for contributing that stuff, now you have to pay to access the site. Sorry. Tough luck. sieg heil!

Well anyways, before I stray too off topic......

How about you drop the little routine, tell the pathetic child to emerge from the shadows and fend for herself. You dont belong fighting other peoples battles Rich, you should be more concerned about other things. Defending a moderator with the childlike mentality of a sixth grader is not one of them......... She wanted this to be public. Let her deal with it.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

geeze...

Rich, this thread was started by Lucille with the sole objective of stirring up the pot. She was successful. Not an exemplary thing to do for a MODERATOR on this site, IMHO. She put the bag of doggie-doo on the porch, lit it, rang the doorbell, and ran... leaving YOU to stamp out the flames! You are just not seeing it.

You asked for people to tell you how they really feel about it and when we have, you smack us down, argue with our points of view, and tell us it's "too bad" because it really doesn't matter anyway because it's "your site and you can run it any darned way you please". Why do you even ask if you aren't really interested in the answers? Hmmm... let's see, no wonder more Fauna members are not voicing their opinions. "Tough noogies".

I have a GREAT idea! Why not have Lucille post yet another POLL on one of her very own Forums asking the general Fauna population whether or not she deserves to be a MODERATOR?

 

[WebSlave]

Well excuse me. If anyone believes that I should NOT take the sides of the people who are volunteering here to help out (meaning giving them the benefit of the doubt), well I can't help but wonder about your general outlook on life. But this has been addressed before, ad infinitum, and people still insist in claiming there is a boogie man under their bed even when it is a water bed.

Yes, that's right. You heard me. If my moderators appear to need my help, I will be there. If the sharks are circling I will jump in and give them a hand. I can't help it if you think differently, and I really don't care if you don't like that fact.

Personally I do not believe for a moment that everyone on this site, USING this site has it's best interests at heart. Note the "Collaborator" line one of our members was using before I pointed it out. And I believe there is a large bucket of self interest motivating some people in what they do here. Not only in this thread but on this site in general. Yeah I'm not blind to the fact that some people are using the traffic of this site only as a launching pad to get their own site off of the ground. Hey, have at it and good luck. But don't you think that when you go into attack mode and try to belittle this site and it's staff that you may be going just a bit overboard with it? Some people are just not satisfied with the slow growth that it naturally takes to get their site moving and try to think of shortcuts. Some people believe that the only way to elevate their own interests is by stepping on the heads of others in order to get to where they want to be. Unfortunate perspective, but I am certain that this is not invisible to all of the people all of the time.

Generally speaking, I don't worry about the self interest thing, and have come to accept that this is just how some people are and every large group of people is going to be composed of all kinds. I just try to accept it and bear up under their self serving and sometimes cleverly concealed destructive mannerisms, and let it be. Until they start singling out my help with some drummed up bs. I guess I am surprised to see that some people think that I should NOT step in to help my staff here. Is that the way you do things on your site and in your life?

In my opinion, some people have been trying very hard to chase Lucille off of this site. A reasonable person might ask why someone would want to do that. So far I haven't seen it addressed, but perhaps it should be. Perhaps because she has been a help and and asset to this site. Nothing more. Perhaps people are just resentful of that, but motives are often hidden and certainly I don't expect anyone to actually come out and admit it. Perhaps they have been successful this time, and I thank you for that. Thanks for chasing off someone who has helped me greatly with this site and is going to leave a hole and things undone. Who is going to pick up the slack on those auctions Lucille was managing? She was invaluable in taking care of that for me. What will happen with them now? Beats me. Was that an intended result of this attack on Lucille? Many more unimaginable things have happened, I guess. Hard to fathom what paths someone may take in order to realize their own self interest.

Self interest. Yeah it's really a motivator, isn't it? Interesting what such self interest will motivate people to do in order to try to belittle someone else to attempt to raise their own esteem or obtain their own desired goals.

Anyway, for anyone who isn't getting the gist of this, let me spell it out in plain language. I appreciate the people who volunteer their help here. Their help is something they offer in order to help me and help this site. When I see obvious, or even suspected, signs of self interested parties or generally aggressive and abusive members attacking them I WILL come to their aid by looking into the problem and trying to determine what is going on. If there is any room at all for doubt, I WILL side with them. Period. If there is any opportunity at all for me to give them the benefit of the doubt, then you can bet your ass that I will do so. If anyone has a problem with this as my personal policy, then you will just have to live with it. That is the FAIR way for me to treat issues like this and that is exactly the way I am going to do it.

In this thread here, it appears that some people are screaming for Lucille's blood because she apparently posted a thread in an inappropriate forum. Is that it? Posting a thread in an inappropriate forum is worthy of such invective and hostility? And these same people desire my blood as well for NOT lashing out some sort of severe penalty for this? Sheesh, give me a break. You have NO idea how many threads I have moved in the past without a word about it to the person posting it. Yes, some I do assess points over, but by a HUGE margin, not even close to all of them. Quite frankly, the warning system is definitely a "whine" magnet. In the case of possibly moving this thread, I felt there was reason to hold off doing so until I could determine what is BEST to do under the circumstances. I had hoped the Lucille would provide more input, but obviously she has had enough of some of you. Which I can't say I blame her. However, even after determining that moving this thread was the BEST course of action, a few people still seem intent on screaming for blood wanting punitive actions taken. Lighten up people. Posting in an inappropriate forum is only a 1 pointer on the warning points scale. And it is strictly optional whether I chose to use it or not. And I choose NOT to do so simply because I will not have some lynching mob TELL me what I MUST do on my own site.

So anyway, Ms Collaborator, looks like "mission accomplished". I hope you are proud of yourself.

To anyone else here motivated by self interest, well I hope this has all been beneficial to you.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I choose NOT to do so simply because I will not have some lynching mob TELL me what I MUST do on my own site.

Rich, you just paraphrased my last post!

 

[Chris@TSE]

self interest? my my my, you ARE a paranoid aren't you?! Funny how everything is either FOR or AGAINST the mighty fauna.... LOL

Pathetic.

you actually believe that for a second?! I could care LESS about using fauna for any personal goal. If you are talking in regards to my forums you can knock that crap right off now. I do not want a forum anything like this, I do not want thousands of members nor do I want the responsibility of financial burden. You think I want to turn into what you have?! HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA

More power to you. sieg heil!

But by all means, keep telling yourself that. So far it must make all your BS excuses and rants so much more palletable.. Bet it helps you sleep better at night as well. I can imagine it would be easier to blame everyones actions on alternative motives now wouldn't it..... Sounds like an easy way out to me. Next time, try using your head. I'd rather not spit anymore coffee on my screen this afternoon, k? Thanks.

And good riddance to Lucille. Just because you blind yourself to obvious fact does not mean everyone should blind themselves right along with you. Sorry, I do not think so.

I'll be happy to lend a helping hand Rich. I've always been willing and I'll volunteer such a hand WITHOUT any sort of status or mod position whatsoever. Its for a great cause... But I WONT idiotically laugh and agree with you when I believe you have overstepped a fine line. You were wrong in this situation. Your staff should be held to a higher standard, you know this. You failed to uphold such a standard and instead you blindly sided with her. I agree, give her the benefit of doubt, but that only goes so far. What bothers me is I know you are a smart man, you know all of these things, perhaps you got so used to people just agreeing with whatever it was you thought or said you mistakenly thought it would apply here as well. Sorry, I've agreed with you on many a subject in the past. Why? Because I felt you were right. But I'm not one of those who will blindly follow you when you're wrong. It's MORE than obvious you hate hearing when people do not agree with you. Unfortunately such is life. I'm sorry but I do stand up for what I believe, no matter who I have to upset. Unfortunately this time it is you.

But aside from all this... Am I sorry Lucille vanished? Hell no. There are plenty of other people who would be more than willing to help you Rich WITHOUT whining and crying the entire damn time. Without stirring controversy and then coming to you with puppy dog eyes acting as if they were innocent. You must really be in the dark here Rich, and for that I am sorry.....

Anyways, if you need a hand keeping auctions in line I'll be happy to help, at least until you can find a suitable replacement.

 

[WebSlave]

Rich, this thread was started by Lucille with the sole objective of stirring up the pot. She was successful. Not an exemplary thing to do for a MODERATOR on this site, IMHO. She put the bag of doggie-doo on the porch, lit it, rang the doorbell, and ran... leaving YOU to stamp out the flames! You are just not seeing it.

Sorry, but I am not taking the position that I can read someone else's mind. In my opinion, the pot began being stirred when Robin gave Lucille those negative reputation points that from what I can see was completely unwarranted for the post it was applied to, and after seeing the translation extremely condescending, vindictive and abusive. Abusive not only of Lucille, but to the intended use of the reputation system itself.

Should this have been handled privately? Yes, I think it should have. But take a look at the number of threads posted on this site, in particular the BOI, and tell me how those differ in SHOULD have been dealt with in private rather then in public. By your logic, I should create a warning system level for such an action and ding everyone who does the same exact thing.

Should Lucille have continued the discussion here? Well I had hoped so, but I completely understand why she would get fed up with dealing with a few of the personalities present.

You asked for people to tell you how they really feel about it and when we have, you smack us down, argue with our points of view, and tell us it's "too bad" because it really doesn't matter anyway because it's "your site and you can run it any darned way you please". Why do you even ask if you aren't really interested in the answers? Hmmm... let's see, no wonder more Fauna members are not voicing their opinions. "Tough noogies".

Did I use the word "feel"? I thought I asked for facts. Incidents that would display to me this abuse that everyone else seems capable of being able to see in reference to Lucille's abuse of being a moderator in three forums on this site. Sorry if I may have used the wrong words or it was misinterpretted, but I did think I was pretty clear on what I wanted. That has not been provided. What I have gotten instead is akin to "I hate the moon, because I think the moon is made of green cheese, and I hate cheese." So yes, if that is the basis of someone's opinion the the root of the attacks I see, then yes "tough noogies" if you don't like the fact that I am defending Lucille against such attacks.

I have a GREAT idea! Why not have Lucille post yet another POLL on one of her very own Forums asking the general Fauna population whether or not she deserves to be a MODERATOR?

I think she has taken that matter into her own hands and makes such a poll a moot point. Lucille had moderator capabilities within the following forums:

• Lonely Hearts Club Forum
• The Welcome Club
• The Hammack Fund auctions (previously the Fauna Fund auctions)

NONE of them were asked for by her. I specifically approached HER and asked her to take them over for me. So as thanks for her accepting my offer of help, I am supposed to kick her in the teeth and leave her out to dry while several people take pot shots at her and generally have in mind ripping her to shreds verbally?

Yeah, Lucille shouldn't have posted this thread in The Welcome Club forum. That certainly is the crime of the century, isn't it?

 

[Chris@TSE]

"NONE of them were asked for by her. I specifically approached HER and asked her to take them over for me. So as thanks for her accepting my offer of help, I am supposed to kick her in the teeth and leave her out to dry while several people take pot shots at her and generally have in mind ripping her to shreds verbally?"

No, you should have put her in her place. Who gives a crap if you gave it to her or she asked for it. She represents a member of your staff now, she should act accordingly. She should have to answer for her actions just like anyone else, if not more so! Instead you allowed this garbage to manifest itself in the improper place while you wasted time fiddling with a translation we all knew was not pleasant. That matter was dealt with, wanring points issued, and no arguments received. It was nothing more than a ploy to protect your idiotic staff member. She slipped up, you could have simply addressed it. Too late now.

"Yeah, Lucille shouldn't have posted this thread in The Welcome Club forum. That certainly is the crime of the century, isn't it?"

No, it is not, but trying to divert attention while the offending party hides like some child rather than just dealing with it appropriately is a crime in many people eyes. This was a private matter that should have been kept private, and again you make lousy comparisons. comparing this to a BOI post is nothing if not silly........ nice try. This was not a transaction or a reason to inquire on a part conducting business or trade. This was a message that accompanied a reputation point. you deemed it abusive, and issued a wanring point. did robin argue it? no. was the matter handled? yes.

THEN WHY THE HELL WAS LUCILLE PERMITTED TO STIR THE POT?! PUBLICLY?! IN A FORUM MEANT TO WELCOME NEW MEMBERS NO LESS?!I'll tell you. Because she knew big brother Rich is always right there to mop up the mess. She used the fact that she's been able to run to you in the past for assistance with things children could normally handle on thier own. This time it backfired so little miss coward decided to stay home........


Sorry lucille. It only works so many times. The Jig is up.

 

[shrap]

Well excuse me. If anyone believes that I should NOT take the sides of the people who are volunteering here to help out (meaning giving them the benefit of the doubt), well I can't help but wonder about your general outlook on life.

Hmmmm, You know Rich, it does not matter to me if it is my family or a dearest friend... if they are in the wrong about something, then they are in the wrong. Period. I would be the first to tell them so, not sit around and help them justify their wrong actions just because they are close to me.

I can't help wonder about your general outlook on life. When in your eyes right and wrong can be influenced by who someone is and what they have done for you personally. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period.

 

[ms_terese]

Rich,

If you need assistance with any of the forums, all you have to do is ask. Or do as you've done previously, and approach people that you feel would be an asset to the site. If my recollection is correct, whenever the need has arisen for assistance in the past, the response has been more than sufficient.

 

[WebSlave]

Chris, how I choose to run this site is my choice to make. You are welcome to disagree, but thank God you are not highly opinionated!

To all in general on this thread:

I think I have explained my reasons and position sufficiently for most people to be able to grasp. I did not ask that people agree with me, but I do feel I have explained my thoughts and actions sufficiently at this point, and feel that some people will never agree, no matter what. So be it. If anyone wants to continue the witch hunt, then go right ahead.

This thread has been moved to a more appropriate forum, as I deemed needed to be done. I have declined to punish Lucille for such a heinous crime as she has committed for posting the thread in The Welcome Club forum, which is my decision to make on optional actions that can be applied to anyone. She still has the moderator capabilities in those three forums I have asked her to manage for me, if she still wants them, which I have every right to decide.

That's it. Those are my decisions to make, and I made them. If anyone disagrees with them, then that is fine, but it doesn't change the facts as I have indicated above. You can take your disagreement and anger to the grave with you because of my decisions when you die of old age, if you so desire, but that is your problem, and not mine.

 

[KelliH]

Please. PLEASE.

Stop all this stuff. For the first time in a week I have actually wanted to get on here and read some stuff and this is the first thread I read. Pathetic and stupid is what it is. None of this bull**** even matters, don't you guys understand yet? Fauna is a wonderful community and I am amazed and made a tiny bit happy by all the money that has been donated and all the auctions going on. I have not had a chance to look at them and I haven't wanted to really. I promise I will though. I have each and every Pay Pal email that was from a donation and from a winning of an auction and each and every person will receive a personal thank you from me. I am also going to make a page for my website (maybe Rich can have a banner up for that) to thank everyone involved. I will have pictures I took at Hayden's visitation on Sunday night of all the flowers, the 3 collages I made for him with some of his A Honor role certificates and accelerated reader ribbons, pictures, CD Covers, guitar picks, cards he gave me and Steve, and so many other things. I could have filled up the entire room with his accomplishments. I did also take some pictures of the beautiful gunmetal grey casket (they didn't have any black ones) he was in, no close ups of his face of course. We had an accoustic guitarist there play Dust in the Wind and Smoke on the Water and some other parts of some songs that were Hayden's favorites to play. I want to show the loving and caring people here, my "herpin buddies", some that I know and some that I don't, what they helped me give to my son. Because it was the last thing I was able to give him, and let me tell you, it was a beautiful service and a very unique one too. Just like he was and just as he would have wanted. Thank you all (I will be back with more thank you's as soon as I can).

You guys have no idea how many times I heard Smoke on the Water coming from Hayden's room from his guitar. Now I would give my own life just to hear it just one more time. After the guitarist played we had several speakers come up to talk about Hayden, telling people at the service what an exceptional child he was, that he read the entire book "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" when he was 7 years old and that he understood the whole thing. And that one time when he was at the skate park there was a kid there skating on a crappy Wal MArt board and another kid was making fun of him. Hayden stood up and told him, "He skates better on that Wal Mart board than you do on that $200 Flip board." That was my son, always standing up for the underdog and he had no pregudices against anyone. He was the most open minded person I knew and he loved everybody and always wanted to make others happy and feel good.

You guys should take a lesson from him. I know I have. One of the last things I told him when I was saying goodbye to his body yesterday was this: "Hayden, I promise I will continue to be a good and honest person, and I will continue to be generous, kind, open minded and forgiving. And I will try my hardest not to sweat the small, petty bull**** anymore".

Let's just let this thread die and move on from here. Because we don't need to waste any more time sweating the small bull****. And Rich if you want to give me points for saying the word bull**** it's ok. <half hearted smile/>

 

[ms_terese]

Good God, Kelli, as if you haven't enough to digest right now, you have to come on here and give us all a dose of perspective.

Thank you.

 

[Ken Harbart]

There are plenty of other people who would be more than willing to help you Rich WITHOUT whining and crying the entire damn time. Without stirring controversy and then coming to you with puppy dog eyes acting as if they were innocent. You must really be in the dark here Rich, and for that I am sorry.....

Hopefully they wouldn't whine & cry about receiving warning points and demand that they be rescinded. "I got warning points but he didn't." Cry me a river.

As for your illogical and offensive infereference to Nazis, you've demonstrated a truely disgusting lack of character, Chris. FYI, my father was born in Nazi Germany. He and my grandparents were forced to flee the ruthless agression of the Third Reich.

For you to sit there and trivialize the actions of the Nazis by causually throwing around some little quip because you think it's cool to compare someone whom you are having a philisophical disagreement to a regime that tortured and murdered millions of people shows what a classless act you really are. You make me sick.

As per Godwin's Law, you've lost credibility in this discussion.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Kelli...

OMG, Kelli. When I saw that you were reading this thread, my heart sank. I am deeply ashamed that I succumbed to participating in it, and hope that you can find it to forgive me.

 

[Wilomn]

Ok, here's the way I see things.

Robin KNEW that the non-english insult would bug Lucille. I also think that Robin was motivated by Lucille's own use of another language in her sig. line. Quid pro quo, so to speak.

Lucille KNEW that Robins non-english insult was NOT nice. Lucille hoped (I think) that by posting it she would garner support for herself and make Robin look bad. The WHY'S behind this action are not relevant to this situation and if you must know them then YOU find out on your own what they are.

Lucille has gotten into trouble by saying things before. She is no longer allowed at TRR for much the same reasons. My understanding is that there were other matters involved as well and if anyone wants to know that info you must join the War Room over at TRR as what is said there stays there. At least I think it was War Room stuff. If not it's available to the public at large.

Robin is a friggin' truck driver. Get over it or block her posts. I must say that I am VERY disappointed in her for lying though. VERY disappointed. As far as I know she is NOT banned from any site.

The two of you, Robin and Lucille, are really looking bad here for similar yet different reasons.

Robin, you shouldn't have lied. My personal feelings are not pertinant so I won't say anything about insulting someone in a language they are not fluent in is sort of a waste of words.

Lucille, if you can't back your **** up, stop flinging poo. Cut and run is VERY unpleasant to look upon and those forced into your defense will resent what they have to do; almost always.

Rich, I too think that Mods have to subscribe to a HIGHER standard than the general member and I think that most of yours do. To say otherwise is to sell yourself and this site short. If you want run-of-the-mill then there is no need for any standard. What's your target here Rich, so-so or exemplary? YOUR standards make a difference.

I previously said it's either " all for one and one for all" in reference to we members in general and this site in particular as well as "or Teacher's Pet. It's got to be one or the other, you can't have both." I still feel this is so.

Exercising your right to give the benefit of the doubt as you see fit is all well and good. Playing favorites to justify an error is not. You are using multiple standards with no clear definitions between them. You've given Ritchie points. You've given me plenty of points. I think you've given both of us points for things which Lucille has recieved not only NO points but your support for doing. I have NO issue with this, merely pointing out its occurence.

THAT'S IT. You are using multiple and seemingly hidden standards for making your decisions. How are members at large to know what is right and wrong (the ultimate question here) if there is no clear cut rod to use to measure?

I see that it's not "one rule to bring them all and in the darkness bind them," but has it gone so far that it is now "do as I say, not as I do?"

I've got nothing against either one of these women. I am disappointed in both of them for the reasons stated above and I'm sort of cunfused by you Rich.

But as Kelli said, it's all B.S. when you come right down to it.

Robin, stick to english.

Lucille, quit hiding and state your case if you have one.

 

[shrap]

I've got nothing against either one of these women. I am disappointed in both of them for the reasons stated above and I'm sort of cunfused by you Rich.

But as Kelli said, it's all B.S. when you come right down to it.

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!! Johnny, tell him what he's won.......

 

[ms_terese]

I've got nothing against either one of these women. I am disappointed in both of them for the reasons stated above and I'm sort of cunfused by you Rich.

But as Kelli said, it's all B.S. when you come right down to it.

Robin, stick to english.

Lucille, quit hiding and state your case if you have one.

Who says you're not very smart?