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Once again in need of help.

nope - it isn't generally "harmful".
Absence of yellow pigment (and its influences, of course) is called axanthic - which is a recognized and proven recessive trait. I'm not much of a BP person, but most ball pythons don't have reds (well, there are the burgandies, so I guess I stand corrected - I'll rephrase that before posting, lol)...Is there an "anery" BP?
And granite...I don't think that I have ever read/heard that that is a recessive trait, but like I said, I'm not much of a BP person. If those in the know would comment, I'd appreciate the info.
 
same. The anery, that was my question. I was reading that it's a big debate on whether it does or not. See I know of the axanthic. But the problem with being that is he's got some cream on his face. And some, I emphasize some brown. And some white splotchyness in the colors on his back. It's truly different.
 
I've got a couple weird looking BP's. IMHO, until they are bred and proven, they are still just weird looking normals. Breed that fella when he gets healthy, then breed the females back to him and see what pops out. Could be something interesting hiding in there.
 
I just want to point out, if there is brown color present than it doesn't lack yellow pigment. You can't make the color brown without yellow. If there was no yellow it would be a silver or grey color. ;)
 
Granite is Co-dom with the lines that are currently out there.

There is no Anery BP.
 
LadyOhh said:
Granite is Co-dom with the lines that are currently out there.
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Thank you.
Whether I agree with that particular statement or not doesn't matter (and I honestly don't have the background to say, but am willing to talk about it in another venue :) ), but the point is it isn't recessive. While there can be hets in both dominant and codominant, they aren't "normal" looking. I don't know whether HerpGuy is intermixing his comments with the vet's, misunderstanding the vet, or the vet is too freely talking about subjects on which he isn't well informed...
(I deleted the last two sentences, and am going to walk away without finishing - remembering what my mother told me this weekend while I was visiting: try to play nicely with the other boys and girls)
 
I'm thinking that the vet information is a bit questionable. While he may be a very good vet, and knows lots about treating animals....it doesn't mean he knows the first thing about Ball Python colors and "morphs".

I once had a very well-respected vet argue with me about a Beagle I had sold. He told the new owners that he wasn't a purebred Beagle because "Beagles don't come in that color" (he was a red and white" and that he didn't have long floppy ears. The people were livid, and going to sue me for selling them a mutt. On the word of the vet.

Mind you....this dog was a registered, retired CHAMPION show dog......and after a long period of arguing, the vet realized he MAY have confused Beagle with Basset Hound....and that he didn't know that Beagles come in about 20 different acceptable colors and variations of those colors. He thought they only came in "tri color".

My point being.....trust vets with what they were trained to do, but don't take their word as gospel on anything else. ;)
 
Ok. Here's where I am confused. And if it's ok with everyone else.... I'm willing to use this thread to learn more about the codom and dom and recessive traits. If someone could explain me the differences I'd greatly appreciate it. Cuz alot of the times I see codom or recessive on sites... and I'm like "ummm hmmmm ok..." lol.

Oh believe me I don't take his word for gospel. If I did, I wouldn't ask what you guys thought. Cuz I know that most vets don't generally study certain reptiles. They study them as a whole. But maybe I'm mistaken there too. I dunno. But like I said... I don't take what he said as gold, which is why I want to see if there is a nearby breeder in my area to be able to have actually look at them under microscope as you could say.

But all this being said. I'm pretty setup, provided that these two get back to a healthy state, to breed this fall. And also providing I can get the female up to weight also. But I have to admit.... I'm freaking scared. I'm scared for a couple of reasons. 1 being I do n ot want to jeopardize any of their health with my lack of knowledge. I mean I read almost every site you can think of on how to breed them. But still understand very little about the genetics as I stated previously in this statement. I mean don't even know which of the two males I should breed the female too. Also what happens if I screw up the incubation period? I don't want to play GOD so to say. Forgive me if I offended anyone with that statement. Let em just explain one thing to give you idea about why I'm so worried. I have a very soft heart. For example. I was driving to work and a squirrel ran out in front me down from my house. I breaked to let him pass but let off when he went back.... but I hit the gas to get back up to speed and that was when he doubled back. And needless to say I ran over him. I started freaking out. OH my GOD oh my GOD!!!! I got out of the car in tears (call me a wussy I don't care I love animals can't help it) and well I saw it laying there, dead.... and I started crying so hard.... ended up putting this poor guy in a towel I had handy and buried him in the woods behind my work.

So.... now you guys all know a lil bout me and how big of a sap I am haha. Thanx a lot for yalls opinions and information. Everyone has helped with their comments.
 
As far as any vet's knowledge of reptiles - it depends on the vet, their interest level, and experience. I can't speak on the amount of reptile specific information provided during their education, but I can't imagine it is signficant (or they wouldn't be considered such a specialty). Many clinics/hospitals will say that they do not treat reptiles; or if they do, there is one person with enough interest to say "let's give it a shot". In other words, there are "reptile vets" that have a significant amount of interest, knowledge, and experience with herps....and there are the ones that are just the "only guy in town that will see them".

Let me ask you this...why are you so intent on breeding them? Don't get me wrong, I don't care one way or the other, I'm just curious. You admit to being a newbie (nothing wrong with that, we we've all been there :) ). I don't know you, but it sounds as if you have taken in some "rescues"...but some of your comments leave me wondering what kind of success you had with them. Do you still have them? If not, what happened?. I'm really not trying to be a jerk, it just seems like the breeding bug bites people a whole lot quicker than it used to...and people are getting into it with less and less experience. Sure, with the amount of information available, and the number of people involved at various levels, it is easier than ever to bypass actual experience...but why? To say you did it? Because all the other kids are doing it? Because you can? To make money, or at least enough to pay for your hobby (keep dreaming, lol)? And the whole "there is something going on with this one", morph mania, has rained down to even the common keeper. Everybody is convinced that their BPs are something other than normals. This is nothing against you, or anything you have said - it is just amazing to me that this has so thoroughly pervaded the reptile community.

As for genetics - if you are dealing with normals, you get normals. As has been discussed in other threads, BPs are incredibly variable. One can attribute the differences to a number of things, including "locality" type traits. Sure, in many cases, certain looks are passed on from parent to offspring...happens all the time (and not just with BPs, or snakes in general).
Selective breeding is commonplace in all branches of animal reproduction. People find traits they like, and they work to refine them...with varying degrees of success. And yes, they identify the "look" with descriptive terms. Granite, for example. However, IMO, the term morph is way overused. Maybe the trait can be reproduced; but if that trait is within the range of normal appearance, why is it anything but normal? An expressed phenotype ===> OK - I started off on a tangent that I have no business being on...onward.

There are all sorts of ways to learn the basics of genetics - reading online forums is not one of the more reliable ones, because people misuse terms all the time. (I'm not being criticical of your attempt, just pointing out the obvious flaw in the method. Heck, this is pretty much how I learned what I know of reptile genetics. You just have to be open to the fact that your information may not be correct, and receptive to the real thing when it comes along.) Your best bet is to get a grasp of the terms, and how they are applied. For that - from geneticswizard.com:
Basic Genetics Definitions
Allele - either of the two paired genes affecting an inherited trait (one from the father, one from the mother).
Codominant - an allele that causes the homozygous form to look different than wild type and the heterozygous form to have traits of both. (All three look different from each other.)
Dominant - an allele that causes the homozygous form and the heterozygous form to look the same as each other, but different than wild type.
Recessive - an allele that affects a animal's appearance if it's present in the homozygous state only. An animal that's heterozygous for a mutant, recessive gene looks wild type, but that gene can be passed on to offspring.
Heterozygous - having two different alleles for a genetic trait.
Homozygous - having identical alleles for a genetic trait.
Wild Type - the way an animal looks with the greatest frequency in a wild population ("normal").
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btw - you can't screw up incubation time. It takes however long it takes. You can screw up incubation, though. Let's say you don't - after all, the information on how to do it correctly is out there - what then. What do you do when you have followed all the recipes, and find yourself in possession of 5 baby BPs? The first batch shouldn't be that awful hard to get rid of, you probably know enough people that would take them...but what about when you exhaust that market? (don't forget housing and feeding in the interim) Do you keep them? give them away? try to sell them locally? to pet stores (some won't buy from you - they have to use "their sources")? advertise online (SHIPPING!)?
 
HerpGuy said:
But all this being said. I'm pretty setup, provided that these two get back to a healthy state, to breed this fall. And also providing I can get the female up to weight also.
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Personally, with the condition those 2 are in, I wouldn't even think about breeding them this fall. After all they have been through, they will take time to get up to breeding weight, and even at that point, that might not be where they should actually be at if it weren't for the mistreatment they have had....and if you do start breeding them, there's a good chance they will lose it all again. Breeding is stressful on them. Myself, I would give them a year to just recover and recuperate.
 
Thanx Moore. That all helped me out alot. Well to answer your questions. And don't worry nothing you said offended me. You don't know me one bit and you just want to know where my head is at and my goal in all this. Money hungry, nope, morph bug nope..... lol. Never heard that one. I guess you could I say I have a few dreams and they deal with reptiles. I want to do one of three things.

1. I want to get my degree in biology, then zoology and then study herpetology as a whole. But take snakes as my specialty. I love snakes with a burning passion. I was the kid that nobody hung out with, the weird one with glasses that played in the woods while all the other were playing baseball and squashing bugs and those they didn't kill they'd scare the girls with. I was the one that the parents said, well maybe if we got him involved in sports. And they did, I played little league baseball, left outfielder and short stop. As my coach put it. I had the talent but no interest. I could almost any ball in the strike zone and send out there. But that did not mean I wanted too. When I was out in the field.... I was the one playing with the beetle in the dirt as the ball whizzes by my head. Hahaha.

well number one goes with my other dreams or goals. I'd rather look at them as goals and not dreams. Cause when you say "My Dream" it's as if you are saying ya I would like to do it, but it's not reality. What I want to do can happen. And will if I apply myself 100%.

But onward to number 2.
Run my own Reptile Rescue center. We only have one in the state of VA. And that is in Richmond. Most people do not have the time to drive all that way. But here's the thing. Not only do I want to do rescue, but an education center, kinda like a museum. I want to have an area where guest walk through and see all the different types of reptiles throughout the world. And have people there to tell the guest about them. Guides I guess. And also sponsor field trips for schools to our facility and also go to the schools for education with the animals. I truly believe, and yes I know this is a little corky, that if they made reptiles a required subject in schools at a young age, it make change things over time as far as how they are viewed. Now that one is dream lol.... cause it will never happen.

Now for 3. I would like to run and operate a strictly reptile pet and supply store. And also in some way tie in education with the place. I don't want to say that it'd be a rescue by being selective about who can buy what, but I would in some way approve of sales based on a few factors, such as knowledge of the animal they would like, and understanding of requirements. If they didn't know too much about say an yellow anaconda, I'd disapprove and, "How bout this snake, it's called a corn snake, it does not get as large and has a more docile temperment." Something along that line. I don't want to get into it to just make money. I hope yall understand, that my number one goal in this life as a herper, is not to gain knowledge to use in my own benefit, or show off to others that I know more than them. My ultimate goal is to educate on acceptance, awareness and on how valuable these creatures are to us in our world. Not necessarily genetics or intense biological workings or stuff like that. I mean I still run into people who think all reptiles are slimy!!!! My ****25***** year old niece came over the other day and held Hercules, my first BP, and she said wow he's warm ( he was on the warm end on the tank) and he's not slimy. It blew my mind she thought that she's a med student and thought that cold blooded meant they were always cold and slimy to the touch.
Another example. I was standing in a local pet store admiring a Hogg Island boa for sale, (My dream snake ;) ) and nearby was a family, no offense to anyone on this site, but they were ghetto as all hell. And the woman had a child and they were looking at the beardies. And she literally was like WOW!!! and called her husband over and said, "Baby baby!!!! you gotta come see this, they have DRAGONS!!!!!! I thought dragons were fake..." I just shook my head in disbelief. She thought just because they were labeled Bearded Dragons that they were actually dragons..... :bandhead0

But anywho. Yes I have all my BP's. As of right now. I have 6. 5 rescues, and one I bought. <----the one I was told was a orange pastel, lol. But my goal with breeding Moore, basically the same as my goals with the business. I would like to spread the love and appreciation for them. And also out of personal interest. If it coems to that i cannot move out the babies. That is fine with me. Which is why I didn't go and buy 20 breeding pairs. And no it is not the money. Because no matter what I have what I make in one clutch is not going to last forever. I'm one of those people who take the philosophy that money is not going to follow me to heaven. I wont be able to take it with me. So I'm happy and content with what I have whatever it may be and whatever may come. Cause I will always be the same person. Know what I mean?

But I will 100% admit that I have some serious faults. And sometimes that is taking a bigger bite that I can chew. Sometimes I want to take on the world. I wish I could adopt every mistreated and abandoned animal out there. Never going to happen, but I have the heart. But anyways.... sorry if this post was so long. I hoped I answered everything. If not let me know.

Oh and Cat, maybe you're right. I'm in no rush :)

oh wait wait.... for Moore if you'd like pics of all my BP's let me know. I have Hercules, Olivia (My wife and daughter named her lol), Olive, Bones (the new sick and skinny one) and the last one I haven't decided on a name.
 
Thanx lol.... :eek: sorry for all the stupid typos.

Well guys just to give you a quick update. I think I may need to change vets. Cuz I found two mites today. Sigh... Something else I've never dealt with. Any suggestions on products that are safe and effective?

Also, Bones, the blushing skinny sick one, has developed something weird. He is in shed. As I hoped he'd be. He's been in the milk stage for the past two day and had the pink underbelly for about 3 days. Well here's the weird thing. Along his back.... it's bubbling. Almost blister like. And believe me it's not burns. I'm not that new at this lol. And one of them popped and oozed a clear sticky liquid. Any ideas? I'm at the moment freaked out and scared as all hell. I'm just praying it's something to do with the milk phase of his shed. Cuz it just appeared today after being in shed for the previous day. Thanx for the help guys.
 
Woah, that is weird and I certainly wouldn't have a clue. Any pictures? As for the Mites I've read stuff about Pam, D Earth something. Hum? Somebody else will pick up and explain. I'd just be careful how you treat the Mites because I read a post on here once about a chick that used some spray Mite treatment and killed both her Balls. I haven't liked sprays myself after there post. Then again I've never had Mite problems before.
 
Sounds like Blister disease. Sounds like you caught it quick and you can get the snake to the vet for a culture and a long round of antibiotics. If you let it go any longer, the snake can get septic and die. It has nothing to do with being in shed.

As for the mites, get a can of Provent A Mite and treat the enclosure.

I would suggest not soaking the snake, unless you have some betadine you can dilute in water. Do you have a sterile, small gauge needle? If so, I would start popping those blisters and flushing them out with either chlorhexidine or betadine. Also, be VERY stringent with your cleaning habits, this is a contagious bacteria and you need to be very careful when dealing with this snake. Also, use newspaper for bedding for now, as you don't want to aggravate his condition.

I wish you alot of luck.. The snake may perish regardless of antibiotic therapy, since his body and immune system are so depressed right now.
 
Ya.... sorry about not being on lately to post any updates. But the really sick one has passed. There was a lot more wrong with him than just RI. This boy was so sick it's not even funny. So I did take him to the vet. And you were right about the blisters. He ended up shedding and when he did for some reason, where it blistered it's pulled off scales from his back. And he was bleeding pretty bad. I got that under control, and got him to the vet. The doctor didn't even do a biopsy. They found tumors throughout his body. Another thing that happened a few days back when all this was going on, he lost mobility and control of his tail. Just before the cloaca. He had no bowel control. We ended up putting him to sleep. I decided not to have the doc do an autopsy. Mistake? He didn't really council me on that. Simply asked. I said just no. Anyways, I'm still pretty torn up at the moment about all this so I'm sorry if this post is so scattered.
 
Well I hope nobody is too upset with me for deciding to put him to sleep. I felt it was the best thing to do. The doc said it was best. One of the abscesses was blocking his digestive track which why he was not eating anymore. And it was also (this is what the doc was speculating because he was not 100% sure) pushing against his spine and was causing the lose function in the lower tail. It breaks my heart that this was not caught sooner. I was pretty pissed at the doc and cussed him out for missing all this. Anyways....


Not to make light of this or anything, but my wife decided to cheer me up and got me a big cinnamon pastel. She's gorgeous. Anyways thanx everyone for the good wishes. Later.
 
Ty,

I'm very sorry to hear what happened. It must have been very hard to deal with.

Best of luck with your animals. Hopefully you won't have any huge heath issues with these.
 
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