NO MORE REPTILES OF CONCERN IN FLORIDA!!!!

[rcpreis3]

they just changed the name to "conditional species" and have all but completely banned them...

http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/Nonnative_ROC.htm

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Wow. That's the same thing that happened to hots here in TN. You all but cannot own them in a private setting. It's very sad.

 

[ThomasHicks]

Sheesh, I remember when Florida was practically the reptile keeping capitol of the world. Now you can't own the "big ones" or niles and you have to work half-endlessly to be able to get a venomous permit.

TBH

 

[Southern Wolf]

Regulations for Conditional Snakes and Lizards

Conditional reptiles are not allowed to be acquired for personal possession.

That one little sentence shows me FL is not somewhere I want to live... and I dont even have the large stuff.

 

[Southern Wolf]

and as I read farther down the page

Turtles

As of August, 2010, red-eared sliders may be acquired for personal possession with a permit. Qualified applicants must have an outdoor facility that has a permanent containment barrier secured at least six inches below ground level to prevent escape by digging, erosion, climbing or by passing through gaps. Such barriers may be constructed of solid metal or weather-resistant and rot-resistant material, and may not use mesh material. All eggs must be removed and destroyed daily from outdoor facilities housing red-eared sliders.

I take that back... I dont want to visit there either

 

[rcpreis3]

the reason they do that is because they breed and create wild hybrids with the florida penisula turtle and thats either endangered or protected. they do that because they dont want to out breed a native species...

I really wanna move out of this *&^% hole state. Cali seems nice but I dont wanna live that close to mexico. But i hate snow.. so I guess im screwed either way *thumbsup*

 

[rcpreis3]

I dont have any large stuff either but I always had a thing for albino retics, idk I just love them, I was gonna get one until the slapped them as an ROC

 

[Melinda]

Cali seems nice

California is NOT exotic species friendly. Many counties have banned snakes larger than 6 ft. And you can't have much else exotic including but not limited to;

primates
ferrets
sugar gliders
skunks
fox's
raccoon's
Opossum's
Squirrel's
Deer
Bear
Bobcat's
Hedgehogs
Prairie dogs

 

[zgoldsmith23]

I don't know what we could do if the U.S. banned possession of all snakes over 6' or anything like that.

 

[rcpreis3]

we would have to revolt and not give in to them. If EVERY retile breeder told the government to screw themselves then the laws would be useless. what are the gonna do... put millions of hobbyists in jail?

They are talking about adding boas to that list, when they do im not giving in. U'll see on the news of a shoot out happening in holly hill, florida before I let them take my PET, or i pay their "fees or fines". We must do more than just talk because the dumb and uneducated seem to get their way in this country, (look at Bush). Stand up for what u want or be stomped on while the idiots get their way.

 

[Southern Wolf]

in actuality... not a whole lot. Sure the reptile community could vote against anyone in office to try and get them fired... but the reptile community is small compaired to the whole.

Now that the law has passed in FL... I don't see it being undone.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

I really don't understand it. I wouldn't mind a permit system (not super strict) if it meant I could keep my snakes. I really don't see why they outlawed retics, it's not like there is an outbreak in FL. Do they not realize the snakes are not really thriving in FL winters? They cannot move any place else really. I've read reports that say they are worried "they could evolve and get used to the colder weather" ... I'm no genius but I don't think evolution happens quickly and I highly doubt a snake could function at 60 degrees.

Aquarists, Hepetoculturalists, and other exotic keepers, all have to band together.

 

[rcpreis3]

Im not gonna pay $10,000 a year buying snakes and thier supplies plus the tax on them, AND pay our useless government just to have the RIGHT to own them. In case no one knows domestic cats are not native to the americas, yet they allow them here with no laws and fines u have to pay, and strays breed continuely in our neighborhoods, when are they gonna worry about the REAL destructive species. And in fact the only dog that is native to the North American continent is the american wolf. Its just that people think herps are "slimy and creepy" and they dont want to see those "icky" creatures. And they are so intolerant they dont want to be educated. Whats so wrong with a snake that sleeps quietly in their tank most of theirs lives? Versus the dog that gets out and attacks ur neighbor, or the bird that squaks endlessy through the night in the apartment upstairs. I hate people...

 

[timebider]

Oh, WOW....my first thought is, this is the worst news for those folks who have huge, really nice reptile facilities (including some legally taken, permitted wild Everglades pythons - think Greg Graziani). What kinds of provisions are in place for educational and research facilities? I guess this pretty much means any newly captured pythons must be destroyed? Unreal. On my way to go register with/donate to USARK...

 

[zgoldsmith23]

On my way to go register with/donate to USARK...

Very good. Everybody should. Every little bit helps.

 

[rcpreis3]

USARK. nice thought, but too much talking and too little action.

 

[rcpreis3]

I really don't understand it. I wouldn't mind a permit system (not super strict) if it meant I could keep my snakes.

it is super strict tho. there is no oops i forgot to register or what not. Their is no second chance, u dont present paper work they take the animal is taken right there, or even destroy them right there in ur home. They wont publicize this but ive seen it happen. A snake I grew up with was drug outta my buddies like it had no meaning to life. Dead. And do u know what his neighbors said? OMG that thing coulda killed my child, he has no right to own that... have no right to own an animal. People scream about their rights and want things their way with no regards to others rights. Seriously I hate this country

 

[Heart4Dragonz]

Wow, red eared sliders? REALLY?? I'm 90% sure I've still seen them being sold in pet stores..

 

[rcpreis3]

Yup cuz turtles arent as scary as snakes. I see them at the flea market all the time... I dont really go into a pet stores as I usally wont come out empty handed. Actually it says u can have them as long as u meet specific cage instructions, and destroy their eggs. Its really sad as those are the ones who are released most often and do the most damage. Yea the snakes are big, but cranes eat the young ones and I'm sure gators eat them as well. And I think the media is blowin up this whole population theory, probably less then 10,000 surviving in the Glades. Not anthing like the 100,000 they're randomly pullin out there . The turtles are gonna breed out another species and create a new species. Maybe its just me but I see that as being more destructive to the balance of the ecosystem.