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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Karma Abuse.

Ed Clark

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I post this in the dragon discussion forum to share a little early dragon breeding history. its very easy to verify by my buddy Bob Mailloux

Chris Allen comes along leaving me bad karma. its clearly an abuse of the karma system.

The First Red Dragons. 05-03-2010 09:54 PM chris allen Bunch of crap. Conceited and pointless.

The First Red Dragons.
After a long pleasant conversation with my buddy Bob Mailloux I thought I wound share a tidbit of early red dragon history.

In the early 1990's there were very few red dragons in the hobby, Bob picked a couple here and there.A good size shipment came in reportedly from the Frankfurt, Germany zoo. I could never be confirmed tho. Bob snapped them up and started producing what he called red/gold dragons. he had a vet by the name of Rick Abrahams that was able to buy 20 of these early reds. keep in mind Bob was the only person with red dragons. Rick produced a few but tired quickly breeding dragons. I got wind of what he had then tracked him down to his Vet office in Socal. those days we had no internet....at least nothing we knew of.

Around the same time period Bob was finding red dragons in pet shops with ticks on them, there was alot of talk they were imported directly from Australia but no import papers could be found.

Took a little bartering before I could get all that he had, these were sub adults and young adults. I was shocked when I opened that shipment up as ALL the dragons were missing body parts such as feet,legs and tails. that did not stop them from breeding I produced many hundreds of red babies from this group sending them everywhere. in the 1980's all we had was normals to work with I was holding back the very light colored normals with yellow or orange on their faces. it was fun breeding dragons in huge metal stock tanks listening to the scritch, scritch all day on those metal tanks.

Bob and I both on different coasts many miles apart were producing red babies trying to supply a massive demand for red dragons.

Bob is the mastermind of the red bearded dragon.

Here's an old pic of a clutch of my early reds
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Guess I could have used one of your other posts full of b.s. for the karma, but I chose that one. Abuse?

Remember leaving me this, was this abuse Ed? Or how about when you copied my classified ad, was that some type of abuse Ed?

N/A 07-28-2009 03:39 PM Ed Clark Welcome back!
 
chris allen said:
Guess I could have used one of your other posts full of b.s. for the karma, but I chose that one. Abuse?

Remember leaving me this, was this abuse Ed? Or how about when you copied my classified ad, was that some type of abuse Ed?

N/A 07-28-2009 03:39 PM Ed Clark Welcome back!
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Remember leaving you this?

Retaliatory karma hits are not allowed. that is why you just hit my karma.
 
Ed Clark said:
Remember leaving you this?

Retaliatory karma hits are not allowed. that is why you just hit my karma.
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No, I hit your karma because your post was b.s.

If it would have been retaliatory I would have said, got you back or some crap like that.

I posted in your b.s. red thread that it was b.s. before I even hit you with the karma. Was that retaliatory also?

Still didn't answer....
Was your original karma to me abuse or not?
 
Ah, you know what. You're right. My blood pressure is high as it is and I really don't need this crap making me nutty, lol.. I said my piece, left my karma I felt he was deserving of and thats that. Ed, you poked me 1 too many times. I apologize if I offended anyone, including Ed.
 

Was it necessary to start a thread to target one individual? I think a general discussion would be in order in this forum if someone wanted to talk about the karma system (in general). Not a pissing match between two individuals. Would be better left reporting such topics to a moderator by the report a post button or a simple private message, if appropriate.
I don't think pissing and moaning about another user giving bad karma is a site feedback issue for this forum. It's just a pissing match and the tolerance for it is low around here.
But, since it is here for all to see, My opinion would be to Grow Up! I'm just speaking for myself and not Rich or the other Moderators here, but our time is better spent not dealing with this pettiness. The retaliatory karma restrictions were put in to stop certain abuses that were happening some time ago. Not to whine just because you receive a negative from someone.

 
Oh I get it, I know what you are talking about now.

But anyway I'll have to agree with Dennis kinda on this one, as it does seem a bit childish and immature, but each to their own..
 
Ed Clark said:
Karma Abuse.
I post this in the dragon discussion forum to share a little early dragon breeding history. its very easy to verify by my buddy Bob Mailloux

Chris Allen comes along leaving me bad karma. its clearly an abuse of the karma system.
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Why is it clearly abuse?

So you didn't know why he gave it to you, so you came here to whine in front of everyone, It's an ABUSE!

He then posts something about you giving him bad karma and you state, Oh that's why, Its an abuse again! Retaliatory Karma isn't allowed.

He states, NO, I disagreed with your post that's why.

The point is you didn't know why and you came here to cry about the simple fact you received a negative from Chris. Get over it.

N/A 07-28-2009 03:39 PM Ed Clark Welcome back!
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Well, I decided that rather than punish everyone for people abusing one of the toys or tools of this site, the more effective approach may be to actively deal with the PEOPLE who are doing the abusing. Quite frankly, I don't expect my mods to spend a whole lot of time trying to figure out who is actually at fault, meaning who STARTED the crap. And I know I certainly am not. So the simplest solution is to simply ban BOTH persons engaging in a pissing match.

There now, see how easy that policy makes it for us? :yesnod:
 
WebSlave said:
Well, I decided that rather than punish everyone for people abusing one of the toys or tools of this site, the more effective approach may be to actively deal with the PEOPLE who are doing the abusing. Quite frankly, I don't expect my mods to spend a whole lot of time trying to figure out who is actually at fault, meaning who STARTED the crap. And I know I certainly am not. So the simplest solution is to simply ban BOTH persons engaging in a pissing match.

There now, see how easy that policy makes it for us? :yesnod:
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one of those bans has made many very happy . great job.
 
Oh boy, the ability to leave negative karma is back... Well, it sure was nice around without that while it lasted.
 
KelliH said:
Oh boy, the ability to leave negative karma is back... Well, it sure was nice around without that while it lasted.
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Kelli,

I think the negative Karma button can be a good tool. For example, we have already seen that Ed abuses the tool. In our hands it can be a weapon for good.

We have seen that Ed's BG post about Tom Clarke is a flat out lie and I do not believe such a post should go without mention and have Ed get off scott free.

I, for one, will SLAP him with a negative for this PROVEN lie and attempt to discredit a competitor, and if the rest of you do the same thing, we can effectively negate Ed's ability to use this tool in a retaliatory manner ever again! This is a step towards policing the boards and showing our displeasure on abuses.

We have the power to do good.:rofl:
 
deborahbroadus said:
Kelli,

I think the negative Karma button can be a good tool. For example, we have already seen that Ed abuses the tool. In our hands it can be a weapon for good.

We have seen that Ed's BG post about Tom Clarke is a flat out lie and I do not believe such a post should go without mention and have Ed get off scott free.

I, for one, will SLAP him with a negative for this PROVEN lie and attempt to discredit a competitor, and if the rest of you do the same thing, we can effectively negate Ed's ability to use this tool in a retaliatory manner ever again! This is a step towards policing the boards and showing our displeasure on abuses.

We have the power to do good.:rofl:
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Apparently, we'll have to wait till he gets unbanned...:ack2:
 
There were several issues involved in this decision, one of which was already explained. Another issue is that there is a display on the front page of this forum that shows a listing of the highest and lowest karma rated members. With negative karma shut off, the listing of the lowest will NEVER change. Quite frankly, I didn't think this was fair, so I was presented with the options of either getting that listing removed completely, or else making it ACCURATE based on members' utilization of that function.

Yes, there will be people who abuse that function. I am providing them with the roadmap out of here if they choose to follow that path. It's not the system that is flawed.......... Is the use that is flawed. So I decided to use it much like the light in a bug zapper. :reddevil: Those that can't resist abusing it will get *zapped*.

And yes, I will occasionally review the karma comments made to watch for trends from some notable members. I am fully aware that some may be tempted to use this function to the detriment of this site. THOSE people will be gone in pretty short order.
 
WebSlave said:
There were several issues involved in this decision, one of which was already explained. Another issue is that there is a display on the front page of this forum that shows a listing of the highest and lowest karma rated members. With negative karma shut off, the listing of the lowest will NEVER change. Quite frankly, I didn't think this was fair, so I was presented with the options of either getting that listing removed completely, or else making it ACCURATE based on members' utilization of that function.

Yes, there will be people who abuse that function. I am providing them with the roadmap out of here if they choose to follow that path. It's not the system that is flawed.......... Is the use that is flawed. So I decided to use it much like the light in a bug zapper. :reddevil: Those that can't resist abusing it will get *zapped*.

And yes, I will occasionally review the karma comments made to watch for trends from some notable members. I am fully aware that some may be tempted to use this function to the detriment of this site. THOSE people will be gone in pretty short order.
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Doing the hokey pokey! :iagree: Great strategy!
 
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