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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Bad Guy Howlin' Gale Dragons

I would like to apologize to Nicole if her feelings were hurt by any of this. It was not my intention. I love the dragon I received and other than the cosmetic flaw, I am happy with her. I just wanted a reasonable, professional response to my concerns. I dont feel that I have said anything that isn't, in my opinion, the truth, nor do I feel I have slandered her name, only expressed dissatisfaction regarding the way she dealt with this issue. It is business and not personal. I hope I have made that clear. I would recommend her dragons to anyone, just not her business.
Aaron
 
rin0425 said:
Even acknowledging the error would make me feel better. I think for 250 she could at least humor me.
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Exactly why do you bring this before the board?

Do you want to feel better?

Do you want to be humored?

Or do you seek something completely different then what you just spewed out here?
 
I am not getting into this deep as I feel it is not worth a headach, he is not allowed to purchase from me again for what he is doing and this will stand until he gives a very serious apology. Due to his harsh actions the $25 refund I was going to offer is no longer on the block as he has decided to take such actions against me because I was supposedly not talking to him he could of called to ask if I was even home is it a crime to be out for the night with my grand father?

The pictures of her on the wood happens to be bad placement that is a small dark area known as a "Knot" I have the wood right here. I have never ever had any complaints and I very much so know how to run a business I have been very successful over the years breeding beautiful dragons. I never stopped contacting you or as you say "Ignoring" you I was not home but you couldn't take 2 minutes to pick up a phone and call and ask "Hey are you getting my emails?" I know my dragons and she never had a toe nip, this clutch is very mellow all of my babies are nip free and are kept in groups of 3 - 4 to prevent this.

Sorry Aaron you took things way to far and really over reacted I will not be dragged down by such actions and un needed "BOI" If you would have spoke to me in a civil and non accusing manor things might have been very different instead of accusing me of knowingly sending a toe nip dragons you could have simply said "Hey...I noticed she had a toe nip did you know about this?."

To those who read this I never miss represent my dragons they are posted for sale as they are if they have nips I always post that with close up shots of the nip, this dragon had no nips upon shipping and I will stand by this, Aaron is the first person to ever have anything bad to say about feel free to check my Customer's Dragon page for pictures of dragons sold along with stories and comments.
 
I think that everyone should be held accountable for their actions. I felt that because I was being blown off, this was an appropriate recourse.
I am amazed at how people are seeing this as a personal attack instead of something that has to do with a business transaction.
I apparently was wrong in thinking this was a professional place for people to discuss professional grievances, however i now see its a place for people to just share their personal opinions. Apparently I missed the part where I was attacking anybody and did something wrong.
 
For that Nicole, I do feel you are right. I jumped the gun and could have talked to you on the phone. I apologize for that, again.
I did ask you to call me when you got the first email, and instead received another email saying that I was wrong. End of story.
Im sorry that you feel you are being dragged through the mud, I have said over and over that I am not unhappy with the dragon, or the initial service. you were very accommodating, and informative. I guess I thought that this was a place to give all experiences, good and bad. I dont want to be seen as the jerk that called nicole a liar or something.
Also, you sent me 3 emails without saying anything about a refund, or about a misunderstanding, in fact you said for all you knew i put her in with other dragons and she got it then. That was offensive to me. I am very happy with the dragon, and I was not looking for any money back or anything. Instead of just telling me I was wrong, you could have explained your side as you did to everyone else in your above posting. I am not angry, or upset. Im just disappointed that she isnt completely perfect and that I was basically called a liar.
Again Nicole, I am very sorry for putting this on here before talking to you personally and I am sorry if your feelings were hurt.
Please know that I value the beautiful dragon you sent me, nip or no nip. I wish you would have taken the initiative to call me when you knew I was not 100% satisfied and asked for the phonecall.
Sincerely,
Aaron
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
I am not getting into this deep as I feel it is not worth a headach, he is not allowed to purchase from me again for what he is doing and this will stand until he gives a very serious apology. Due to his harsh actions the $25 refund I was going to offer is no longer on the block as he has decided to take such actions against me because I was supposedly not talking to him he could of called to ask if I was even home is it a crime to be out for the night with my grand father?

The pictures of her on the wood happens to be bad placement that is a small dark area known as a "Knot" I have the wood right here. I have never ever had any complaints and I very much so know how to run a business I have been very successful over the years breeding beautiful dragons. I never stopped contacting you or as you say "Ignoring" you I was not home but you couldn't take 2 minutes to pick up a phone and call and ask "Hey are you getting my emails?" I know my dragons and she never had a toe nip, this clutch is very mellow all of my babies are nip free and are kept in groups of 3 - 4 to prevent this.

Sorry Aaron you took things way to far and really over reacted I will not be dragged down by such actions and un needed "BOI" If you would have spoke to me in a civil and non accusing manor things might have been very different instead of accusing me of knowingly sending a toe nip dragons you could have simply said "Hey...I noticed she had a toe nip did you know about this?."

To those who read this I never miss represent my dragons they are posted for sale as they are if they have nips I always post that with close up shots of the nip, this dragon had no nips upon shipping and I will stand by this, Aaron is the first person to ever have anything bad to say about feel free to check my Customer's Dragon page for pictures of dragons sold along with stories and comments.
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It looks to me like you made a mistake. Your dragon most likely had a toe nip at the time of shipping, heck, at the time you took at least one of the photos of the animal, and you missed it. Is that so horrible to admit? I've done pretty much the same thing before. A gecko was missing a toe tip and I just flat did not notice the flaw when it was sold and then subsequently shipped. You could even see that the animal had a missing toe tip in the photo of it that was pictured on my website! Both myself and my customer did not notice the flaw in the photo, but he certainly did upon arrival of the geckos, and he then pointed it out to me and referred me to the photo fro my own website. I immediately acknowledged my mistake and apologized for not noticing. It happens to all of us at some point, not a big deal as long as you do the right thing to make up for your mistake. Offering a partial refund right away would have been the smart (not to mention professional!) thing to do in this situation. Your customer was NOT being a jerk or being rude to you at all, it was totally the other way around.

Exactly why do you bring this before the board?

Do you want to feel better?

Do you want to be humored?

Or do you seek something completely different then what you just spewed out here?
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He was bringing the fact to this forum that this supposed professional dragon breeder was unwilling to rectify her mistake and was essentially blowing him off. Do you like being treated that way? Nope, none of us do.
 
Thanks kelliH, youre the first person to not make me feel like a scumbag just because I tried to use this for what it was meant for.
 
rin0425 said:
to which I replied:
"That is the picture you sent me and you can see the nip on her toe. I dont know how you can say that it isnt there. Im not trying to be a jerk
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But indeed you are being a jerk Aaron, you were sent a pic of the dragon for your approval, you inspected the pic then you paid for the dragon after you inspected the pic you are now useing as evidence.

You accepted the dragon in the pic then paid for it.

What you have is a case of buyers remorse.
 
Ed Clark said:
But indeed you are being a jerk Aaron, you were sent a pic of the dragon for your approval, you inspected the pic then you paid for the dragon after you inspected the pic you are now useing as evidence.

You accepted the dragon in the pic then paid for it.

What you have is a case of buyers remorse.
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Neither one of them noticed the toe nip in the photo. I think that the breeder of the animal has a bit more responsibility to notice it since she was the one that had the animal there with her in person. Like I said before though, flaws can be missed. It's not a horrible thing to do... as you know, no one is perfect and mistakes happen. It's how we deal with the mistakes we make that tells what kind of person, and animal breeder/dealer, that we truly are. A little humility goes a long way. Nothin' wrong with it, in fact it is one of the qualities I look for in my relationships with people.
 
Actually that picture was sent after payment. The pictures i recieved before payment do not have a nip. I do not have remorse at all, im very happy with the dragon except for the nip. Notice the foot behind the finger, weather intentional or not, there is no way for me to know. Ive said my peace and stated that I am very happy with all but the toe. I was accused of doing it and told it is a knot in the wood...which is in the exact place on the toe as the nip. And if thats the case then she has a see through toe, since the nail extends beyond the "knot"
Sorry Ed, not the case
Here are the pictures i was sent prior, just in case you were wondering
 
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Thank you kelli, that is, again, the reason i posted this, weather it was the right thing to do or not. I also could post the angry e-mails sent to me, but im choosing not to because i dont think nicole is a bad person. I just dont think the way she handled this by getting defensive was the best way. Im the customer, and everyone knows the saying, and its not "the customer is always lying". I didnt even want anything other than to point it out to her and she accused me of putting her in with another dragon and letting it happen, which I can assure you did not happen. The photo I took of the toe was immediately following unpacking and inspecting her.
 
KelliH said:
Neither one of them noticed the toe nip in the photo.
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The facts do not change, sending that pic prior to accepting payment is showing the customer exactly what he or she will recieve. the pic was an honest representation of the dragon shipped.

All Aaron had to say is I dont want that dragon do you have another. he accepted the dragon in the pic and was shipped what he asked for.
 
Again, the nip was sent in a picture post payment, and honestly after multiple photos that I inspected closely, and attached in the previous posts, I didnt inspect that one sent after payment. I had no reason to. Nicole was physically with the dragon and she missed it. Im not saying it was intentional and that is not the reason this thread is posted. If the initial pictures had shown the nip, i would have said just that.
 
Ed it is perfectly simple.

Pre sales pictures = no nip.

One post sale picture = nip

The breeder is claiming the postsale pictures does not have a nip, the breeder is maintaining that the beardy did this to itself during shipping and was not nippeda the point of sale or shipment.


To me at least it's perfectly clear who is full of it and who is not. That beardy was shipped with a nipped toe, end of.
 
Well I have to agree with Kelli on this one too. Nicole I am sure you are a wonderful breeder, you look to have lovely dragons but lets face it when it comes to working with beardies then tail/toe nips are just a part of life. It does not make you a bad breeder at all for it to happen to. I had this exact thing happen to me when I was selling one of my red babies, I had it housed with only one other beardie and it was fine up until the morning that I shipped it out. I was in a hurry when packaging him up, sent him out and the buyer complained to me once he recieved it that it had a tail nip. Being that it was paired with only one other beardie still did not make me doubt the buyer, even without a picture that does look like a toe nip to me. I immediately apologized and either offered for him to send back the beardie for a full refund or I would paypal over a refund of $25 dollars. He immediately took the refund which was better for all of us and was happy and went on his way. I'm telling you as a breeder it was well worth the $25 dollars not to have my name tossed in mud on here. The fact is I doubt you can house all your beardies seperate and these things happen, you should have just bit the bullet and made the refund immediately, the doubt that it chewed on itself in shipping is bigger than the doubt that it could of happened in your care.

Now going beyond that. Aaron I don't fault you for having a beef and not being completely satisfied as that is some wad of change to spend on a beardie. I think anyone that knows what it's like to dump huge amounts of money on a lizard and then not get what exactly you wanted is a huge dissapointment, being that this happened not to long ago with a big time beardie breeder does sting, and it went way beyond a nipped toe. You still need to be careful Aaron when making a complaint against someone on the BOI, I am pretty sure you didn't know exactly what it was about but you can't take back this thread and it will stay with Nicole here on this forum forever. I had someone that traded some leopard geckos for one of my red beardie babies years ago. After a year and them never once contacting me they actually came on here without my knowledge and said that I sold them normal beardies at best that never colored up. This will stay with my name forever even though I had explained that beardie colors change alot in the first couple of years, they may possibly not even color up to their parents standards and it even has alot to do with the care like heat, lighting and feeding that lends to their colors, but still they chose to come here. Unfortunately this BOI can be a blessing and a curse, a blessing for warning against flat out crooks and thieves but then it can also mark up the names of those who are good breeders and some people abuse that. I think Aaron you probably could have given a day or two more for Nicole to have reached you (some people don't sit on their computer all day :) and though she could have made it right immediately I think she would have come around if given the chance. I honestly think it would make her look better if she did still. All my opinion though, take it what it is.
 
All I am going to say is that is not a toe nip in the picture he keeps posting on the wood I zoomed in VERY close and the toe with the nail clearly is there and stops a tad over the knot I check my dragons prior to shipping and there where no nips then either. Due to this over reaction and bashing of my good name all dragons shipped from this day forward will have pictures taken so I have proof that can not be denied in any manor. Aaron attacked me on email and posted a BOI just because I didn't answer two emails right away, the funny part I answered every other one before it I was out with my grand father at a classic car show (We have a 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 Conv) and he and I enjoy to get away and relax. Instead of Aaron picking up the phone and calling and asking he just starts slamming me.

I'm sorry Kendra but this time I won't come around and I know I am totally right the dragon did not have a toe nip I looked at the piece of wood and the exact spot in the picture is there on the wood it's a tiny knot no woods perfect I just placed the dragon badly on it. Also his slamming me accusing me of purposely placing the foot on my hand so he can't see it is 100% a lie the dragon was squirming all over I was lucky a few pictures of her on my hand actually came out good but for someone to knit pick every tiny thing to try to make me look bad that is an insult and a very harsh one. I have no complaints at all other then this guy he acted like a 5 year old having a tantrum over a toy not once did he email me in a non accusing way right off the bat it was hostile. He also threatened me in an email to share his story with a lot of breeders he is simply off the gun and out to ruin my reputation

These are all exact quotes from emails

"I know many people in the reptile world and I will gladly share this story with them "

He was never ignored like he claimed I went to a car show for oh maybe 4-5 hours?

"Had you not ignored me, i would have never gone to the BOI. I'm sorry that you feel its appropriate to do that to a customer. "

And what really gets me mad is he dose not refer to her as a Dragon or pet he refers to her as a

"Sub Standard Product"
 
Nicole, no way was I stating that you did this on purpose I am VERY sure if their was a prior nip it was without you knowledge. I guess my post in general was trying to say that sometimes as a breeder you have to bend. Who knows, no offense to Aaron but since we don't know him maybe he got the beardie and immediately put him in a cage with another previous beardie who lived there and was territorial and bit your beardie (big no, no not to quarantine new reptiles). Could this have possibly happened only Aaron knows and it comes to his word against yours. You say you checked over the beardie very good before shipping and I believe you but the one picture does look a tad suspicious (you say it can't be because the nail is still there, but even in his new picture the toe and nail are still intact just the toe is bitten pretty bad, could possibly lose circulation and lose that toe.

Fact is I agreed that he should have called or given you more time to answer emails before running here. If this is the worse that you get accused of Nicole then rest easy a toe nip is not very bad in this hobby, but like I said sometimes $25 dollars is worth not dealing with this. I don't feel like you would have to take detail pictures of every lizard that ships out your door but if you have a customer that has this complaint in the future and you have to eat $25 dollars then if ever I was to sale to that same customer in the future then I would definately have my detail pics of every digit on that beardie with the date on it for my own protection. This is just friendly advice from someone that has been breeding and selling for over 10 years.
 
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