Wilomn
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Make no mistake, I do think Bobby is in the wrong. In her case I can see why he would be dragging his feet. It's not an excuse for Bobby to be ripping her off, there isn't one for that, which he certainly seems to have done.
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Posted 12/19/2024.
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I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?
So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.
But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.
Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.
I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.
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Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.
And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Bad Guy Bobby Hill - Varnyard Herps: Buyers Beware.
- Thread starter Siukie
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Make no mistake, I do think Bobby is in the wrong. In her case I can see why he would be dragging his feet. It's not an excuse for Bobby to be ripping her off, there isn't one for that, which he certainly seems to have done.
HUH? You took both sides in one short paragraph. Which is it?
Crystal Acveedo
New member
Okay dont understand that comment?? Explaine cause I have not done anything to Bobby Hill. So therefor I have all reason to wanting to get my money back from Bobby. I am not talking bout this any fauther. God bless
rosebud945
New member
Crystal, I think he means that your language in your posts where you talk about your dealings with Mr. Hill is confusing and vague, or it is to me and I assume that is what Wes meant. Am I to take it that the last email between you and Mr. Hill was the one in which he asked you for a valid phone number? I am not sure what we are to take away from that email exchange. He responded to your emails and you said that he talked to you by phone as well. Did you ask for a refund when you talked to him? Did he refuse to issue a refund?
Crystal Acveedo
New member
KK....Well let me just say this I have told the whole truth on whats going on between bobby Hill and I. I am not sure where you can tell me that I am lieing nor telling the truth in any area kk. My boyfriend after 4days got ahold of him by phone and told him we like our money back and said by this week he will so we are giving him till Wed to send it back. we shall see this week if he does or not. I knw what has been going on and I am not going to go throw all my eamils to prove to you all. Case closed and I knw the truth and thats all that matters I just feel that Bobby Hill should have said something to us before accepting our money when we 1st talked to him back in May.
Wilomn
New member
Yeah, ya see, that's not how the BOI works. Here, until you provide proof, very few will take you at your word, especially if you are a relative unknown.
Post the proof, and you'll have a much more solid footing and the beginning of a good reputation.
You also forgot the sarcastic blessing of the creature you purport to believe in. Being sarcastic is all well and good, but you need a bit of practice.
Hopefully you'll get your refund and hopefully Bobby will refund EVERYONE else he owes. That is, blessings or not, the right thing to do, of which Bobby is well aware.
One word of advice though, that kind of sarcasm, the whole pseudo blessing thing, can really irk some people. You may want to take that into consideration before adding it to the end of your posts. It's one thing to have it in your signature, then it's there in every post, but when you only use it sometimes, it makes you look insincere and sarcastic.
rosebud945
New member
KK. Good luck to you then!
Crystal Acveedo
New member
Its not being sarcastic it just what I do in my eamils or anyone I talk to sumetimes i forget to add it but i try to do it all the time. God bless
You mean, kind of like how you continue to stick up and go to battle for bobby but throw a little sentence in each post about how he is wrong. Come on Wes, I thought you were a Good Guy
Wilomn
New member
You mean, kind of like how you continue to stick up and go to battle for bobby but throw a little sentence in each post about how he is wrong. Come on Wes, I thought you were a Good Guy
Thinking may not be your strong suit. Telling someone 'god bless', which isn't even a darn sentence, is nothing like saying 'I think Bobby is wrong'. I'm not sticking up for Bobby and if you really think so, then see the first 7 words of this post.
I will tell you this though, there are some who will take umbrage at such fragments and do even less for those who so blithely cast them than they might for those who refrain from half-hearted attempts and vague alliances which one would guess are meant to make the blessie feel sympathy for the one who utilizes such words so carelessly, or worse yet, in an effort to move an otherwise uncooperative subject.
It is my firm belief that Bobby is such a person.
In other words, an insincere thief who will use the turn of phrase of a customer that means absolutely nothing to delay doing the honest and ethical thing?
Glad you clarified that Wess. You continue to surprise and enlighten.
Wilomn
New member
In other words, an insincere thief who will use the turn of phrase of a customer that means absolutely nothing to delay doing the honest and ethical thing?
Glad you clarified that Wess. You continue to surprise and enlighten.
Sadly mr. schmitt, it does look that way. I don't know that I'd use the word thief, though at the moment I, a man with a fair vocabulary, am at a loss for a better one. To say I am sadly disappointed by Bobby's behavior is an understatement.
He did say, to her, that he was in financial difficulties and there would be a refund coming this week. If he does follow through, what word would you then recommend? Untrustworthy comes to mind, especially with that guy in Ireland, but you see, and this is the hard part, Bobby really isn't a thief. Or he wasn't. Steadfast is a word I would have used to describe Bobby prior to this, trustworthy too, but neither of those fit anymore. Stubborn still does, in fact it could well be Bobby's middle name, which is the only reason I haven't hounded him here for not doing what he must know is right. It would simply have irritated him, perhaps to the point that his irritation with me would have prevented him doing what he knows he should, and hopefully is in the process of, doing.
It's really rather sad.
LauraB
CLOSED ACCOUNT
I attempted to make the "thief" label more palatable to you in my previous post;
"It certainly isn't Bobby's "point of view" that should condone or excuse what boils down to the ugliness of theft ... or at the very least, to make it more palatable, promises not kept, contracts secured by money not fulfilled.
Given the current conundrum of a more accurate label, (aside from "stubborn, untrustworthy" and what... irritated?), would swindler, deceiver, scammer, charlatan or defrauder work for now? He owes animals or refunds or explanations to more than just one or two people, you know.
We all (well maybe not you, of course) have money problems! I don't think it's a terrible stretch to speculate he probably does too, nor does that in and of itself make him a bad guy. However, I didn't take cash for product I couldn't deliver in 2011 and then repeat taking cash for "hopeful" product in 2012 when I hadn't even fulfilled 2011 obligations!
As far as your not hounding him for not doing what is right; you have made your plea more than once here. I betcha he's seen it. Somehow I doubt any irritation he may have with you (or influence you wish to impose) has had or will have much bearing on him "doing the right thing". After all, there are customers from 2011 that are still waiting. So much for irritation or influence.
When he makes good with either animals or fair refunds, then we can look for a better "label". I'm hopeful we can ... when his customers have been compensated fairly.
Take a review of this thread Wes. Take a look at your past history and how even the slightest disagreement with somebody deems them so low on your respect scale that you cannot even capitalize their name. Now take a review of this thread and see where you have done the same ... but not to bobby. A man of a fair vocabulary does not make this mistake on accident.
The same thing that's happening to bobby, is happening to you now. It's obvious to everyone who the thief is and I'm not sure if it's hubris or deep fascination with bobby, but you are starting to look like one of the Bad Guys. Christ, he won't even pay you the respect of a reply.
No that is not true. He has shifted the "difficulty" on to her. It appears he has her money and she doesn't have her money. Who here has the financial difficulty? It looks like the person who can't get their money back, right? Spending money that has not been earned ... before an animal was produced to the customer ... before the customer was even happy? Open your eyes Wes (still capitalized
), you are harboring a criminal!Thief. Some random member from Fauna had to pay his debt in another thread because he wouldn't. That alone has to be the most embarrassing thing I have ever seen happen to a seller on here. Until he makes that right, he is nothing other than another blight to this community.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Nick, I think you've been sniffing a little too much glue.
Wes giving somebody he considered a good guy, and perhaps a friend, a chance to step up to the plate doesn't make him a bad guy. He's been pretty clear in his statements that, while this seems to be a change in Bobby, Bobby is wrong in this situation. I can understand his hesitation to change his own mental label, even viewing the thread(s)...and I agree that him going full tilt after Bobby in this thread would serve no useful purpose, except to amuse those readers that want to see such a thing.
And how is he harboring a criminal? Is Bobby hiding out in his basement or something?
Wes giving somebody he considered a good guy, and perhaps a friend, a chance to step up to the plate doesn't make him a bad guy. He's been pretty clear in his statements that, while this seems to be a change in Bobby, Bobby is wrong in this situation. I can understand his hesitation to change his own mental label, even viewing the thread(s)...and I agree that him going full tilt after Bobby in this thread would serve no useful purpose, except to amuse those readers that want to see such a thing.
And how is he harboring a criminal? Is Bobby hiding out in his basement or something?
too funny!! 
why add kindling to a smoldering fire? It would only make Bobby more stubborn than he already is.
IMO, Bobby has decided he is in the right & is due monies he didn't earn.
A chance? That's laughable. Bobby doesn't even care to return or explain himself. Insult me all you want but you are blind if you don't see the attacks on anyone that has had a problem with bobby.
Full tilt? Do you mean verbally abusive? I'm not asking for that, I'm calling him a hypocrite.
As for the basement comment, that's funny but it's clear he's doing damage control for bobby and trying to discredit an unhappy customer.
I have to respectively disagree with you Nick. Wes is trying to say that he disagrees with the route Bobby has taken, without out-right calling his friend a liar and a thief. It is hard for someone to reconcile with the fact that a person they know well, has not done the right thing, not once but three times (that we are aware of).
Wes has tried to make his feelings known, yet because of the way he comes across to some, he is now being raked through the coals. It is wrong to judge someone based on their friendships with others unless there is proof of wrong doing on their part. From Wes's posts here, he agrees that Bobby is in the wrong. IMO it is time to put personal dislikes aside and judge on the words he has written now & not ones he has written in the past.
rosebud945
New member
I don't see Wes trying to mitigate the wrongs that Bobby has committed in his posts here that are provable. In these posts, I see someone who is condemning of Bobby's actions that are clear based on evidence, but who is also trying to remain objective. There is a tendency in some BOI threads to make a general judgment about someone's behavior, and then accept that any charges or criticisms after that point are valid, when in fact we sometimes don't scrutinize those newer charges as we did charges made prior to making up our minds that the subject of the threat is indeed guilty as charged. His motive for remaining objective might be due in some part to a reluctance to let go of the ideal Bobby that he viewed as a good guy and a friend. Who among us hasn't done that, but I find the objectivity refreshing. Objectivity is not synonymous with allegiance, and it is harder to maintain when you are disillusioned with a friend.