• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Bad Guy BEWARE OF PIJAC!!!!

jasballs said:
Your right! It belongs on every Damn forum everyone goes to! I've heard some things myself. I'll keep it quite for now.. BUT, I will not keep quite for long!!
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lol
Ill be waiting for it then.

If people have all this information WHY isnt the Proof being posted? Are they just gathering it up? what? Im quite interested to know, and im SURE everyone else is too.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
lol
Ill be waiting for it then.

If people have all this information WHY isnt the Proof being posted? Are they just gathering it up? what? Im quite interested to know, and im SURE everyone else is too.
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It's like you said. It could be hearsay. But, I'm not liken it right now..
 
Wolfy-hound said:
until I see proof, I say someone is instigating garbage for their own purposes, and I'd look askance at the folks starting the rumors up
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This is great wisdom, above.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
lol
Ill be waiting for it then.

If people have all this information WHY isnt the Proof being posted? Are they just gathering it up? what? Im quite interested to know, and im SURE everyone else is too.
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If you were trying to do something that you didn't want everyone to know about, would you leave proof of it somewhere? It's all supposed to be kept "under wraps" until it's too late.
 
Rumors

Well, from my point of view I would think it quite possible we are all hearing the same rumors recirculated in several directions, changing slightly they travel. Almost impossible to know. It would seem to me that this is a perfect time for us to have "competing" lobbyist groups. Help to keep everyone honest and to watch over each other and our interests. It also makes it that much harder for something to sneak by.

I have heard it all in the last week or so. I also have personally heard one of the "big boys" in Florida spew all kinds of rhetoric at me a few years ago that amounted to basically the rumors we are hearing. God forbid there be a population of basement breeders, that is taking food off of his table. My solution was to help with that by taking my check out of his mailbox every couple of weeks when I had my retail store. Thought he was out of his skull then and still do. These ideas are out there-BUT that does not necessarily mean they are being translated into reality. Time will tell what the agendas are. Important thing is to hang tight until we know what is what, not whatever the latest internet rumor is.
 
Reptile Basics said:
Well, from my point of view I would think it quite possible we are all hearing the same rumors recirculated in several directions, changing slightly they travel. Almost impossible to know. It would seem to me that this is a perfect time for us to have "competing" lobbyist groups. Help to keep everyone honest and to watch over each other and our interests. It also makes it that much harder for something to sneak by.

I have heard it all in the last week or so. I also have personally heard one of the "big boys" in Florida spew all kinds of rhetoric at me a few years ago that amounted to basically the rumors we are hearing. God forbid there be a population of basement breeders, that is taking food off of his table. My solution was to help with that by taking my check out of his mailbox every couple of weeks when I had my retail store. Thought he was out of his skull then and still do. These ideas are out there-BUT that does not necessarily mean they are being translated into reality. Time will tell what the agendas are. Important thing is to hang tight until we know what is what, not whatever the latest internet rumor is.
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What makes You think it's just an "internet rumor" Rich?
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
lol
Ill be waiting for it then.

If people have all this information WHY isnt the Proof being posted? Are they just gathering it up? what? Im quite interested to know, and im SURE everyone else is too.
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Thats why I'm waiting for too, PROOF. Thats why I apologized in the other thread for just throwing things I HEARD of out there.
I have heard things from both parties and the things they accused each other of doing. But I'll just keep them to myself since there is no proof, I almost had one but the guy I was talking to (emailing) was smart enough not to give me a concrete answer. I'll just seat and wait to see what comes out but for now every anti-hr669 organization has my full support.
 
Lack of anything but talk

Until there is a document being introduced or PIJAC/participating member goes on the record that is all it can be. An unsubstantiated rumor. That does not mean it can not come true, it just is not true or false as of yet. Why not save a little bit of fight for when there is a fight. Mean time-diligence and observation will serve me best.
 
It's a shame that extra energy isn't being turned toward fighting for our rights, rather than bashing one another.
 
MagickalMorphs said:
It's a shame that extra energy isn't being turned toward fighting for our rights, rather than bashing one another.
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Actually, if you think about Shadera, it's brilliance! While we are so busy fighting with each other about who has done more for the hobby, "big brother" can slip one past us while we are other wise engaged.

What also bothers me about this whole rumor mill situation. If, let's say a big "if" these rumors even have a shred of truth to them, who would benefit from them? Not the big boys nor the hobbiest.

If our rights are taken away, who would the so called elite sell to? Each other? I don't think so scooter. We need them as much as they need us. The squeaky wheel might get the oil first, but, who is holding the proverbial "oil can"???? Why are that's who!!!

We as a whole community need to stick together. Boa keepers, bp keepers, dragon, leo, frog, and turtle keepers need to be united in our interests!

United we stand, however, if we are separate in our interest's, separately we will fall. One breed at a time.
 
Laura Fopiano said:
Actually, if you think about Shadera, it's brilliance! While we are so busy fighting with each other about who has done more for the hobby, "big brother" can slip one past us while we are other wise engaged.

What also bothers me about this whole rumor mill situation. If, let's say a big "if" these rumors even have a shred of truth to them, who would benefit from them? Not the big boys nor the hobbiest.

If our rights are taken away, who would the so called elite sell to? Each other? I don't think so scooter. We need them as much as they need us. The squeaky wheel might get the oil first, but, who is holding the proverbial "oil can"???? Why are that's who!!!

We as a whole community need to stick together. Boa keepers, bp keepers, dragon, leo, frog, and turtle keepers need to be united in our interests!

United we stand, however, if we are separate in our interest's, separately we will fall. One breed at a time.
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We as in the USA WE? or We as in the Over seas (that spend way more money on things) We? I'm still not liken it!
 
What perfect timing for a thread like this... :rolleyes:

Last year it was FL passing the ROC legislature, and the BS propaganda about "Global Warming" making it possible for Burms and other exotic animals to establish themselves in 2/3 of the U.S.
We compromised.
I'm not sure what we got in return, but we gave up some freedom.
(What was that about asking for the Sun and the Moon, and settling for the Stars and the Sky.)

This year it is HR669, and all of the other bills.
They will get Iran to scrap their nuclear program before they take my animals.

I wonder how all of this is going to effect the market this year.
I mean who wants to drop $8k on a Dreamsicle, or $18k on a Panda Pied, if it's going to be illegal to breed it or take it across state lines in six months.

Seems to me, the worst thing for this industry right now is to panic and to spread this fear throughout the hobby just in time for hatching season.
 
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Beware of EVERYONE....

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RJK890 said:
What perfect timing for a thread like this... :rolleyes:

Last year it was FL passing the ROC legislature, and the BS propaganda about "Global Warming" making it possible for Burms and other exotic animals to establish themselves in 2/3 of the U.S.
We compromised.
I'm not sure what we got in return, but we gave up some freedom.
(What was that about asking for the Sun and the Moon, and settling for the Stars and the Sky.)

This year it is HR669, and all of the other bills.
They will get Iran to scrap their nuclear program before they take my animals.I wonder how all of this is going to effect the market this year.
I mean who wants to drop $8k on a Dreamsicle, or $18k on a Panda Pied, if it's going to be illegal to breed it or take it across state lines in six months.

Seems to me, the worst thing for this industry right now is to panic and to spread this fear throughout the hobby just in time for hatching season.
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Randal Berry
 
Well,at the risk of being redundant.I will simply ask again.What are the intention and ideas of these two organizations,and could someone get them to represent themselves here in an open fashion.

No ambiguous mission statement.Just the strategy to combat the current opposition we face.Hope someone from one or both of these organization's steps forward.
 
The way I see it, the intention of both industries is to make money. lobbyists make money pandering to senators. the business' thrive on our donations to keep running, and of course the CEO's and chairmen gotta get paid and have their travel expenses covered, right? Gotta eat and wine and dine senators right? I think they're both just battling it out for donations, and the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if USARK isn't starting some of this to get more people mailing checks their way?

The rational side of me kinda doubts it, but who knows. Stranger things have certainly happened. Especially in this industry.
 
I don't post much in these kinds of things because of all the stupid drama that follows. Stop fighting and open your eyes and ears.

The person who started this thread had the courage to come out and say something. I have personaly made a whole bunch of phone calls and I will tell you that the main reason people won't come out and say what is going on behind the scenes is because of the FEAR OF A LAW SUIT. There is big time money backing what is going on right now. Most of which is taking place under the table. The SNAKE and GECKO MILLS are the people who are going to benifit if the COMPROMISE that is being worked on is passed. The small breeder will be gone. Reptile shows and internet sales are being blamed for the iresponsible pet owners who turn their reptiles loose. They are claiming that those are impulse buyers. Big money is saying that responsible pet owners buy their pet from a reputable pet store (BIG MONEY, OR BIG CHAIN). They are trying to ban all internet sales as well as reptile shows. The SNAKE and GECKO MILLS will benefit greatly from this. WHO DO YOU THINK MAKES UP THE COMMITEE MEMBERS?????????? The committee is made up of what is called REPTILE INDUSTRY LEADERS. Most of which have seen better financial days by the way. This is real so stop fighting with each other and get ready for the big battle that is on its way.

As for the rodents, here is a sample of what is being proposed right now. As most of you know dog, cat ,people, and whatever food has to pass an inspection. FDA, Food and drug Administration. Guess what's next, Yep, RODENTS. The crap that is on the table now will require commercial rodent breeders to breed rodents in labatory conditions. Stainless steel caging, bedding changed at least twice a week. As well as breeding stock being checked by a vet on a regular basis to get health certificates. This will force some commercial rodent breeders out and drive the cost of a rodent up a lot. Did I mention that the committee has at least one of the biggest rodent breeders around?? I don't think it will affect the back yard breeder that breeds their own rodents for personal use because they are not selling them.

In closing.

I WOULD LOVE TO PUT THE NAMES UP HERE OF THESE PEOPLE I AM REFERING TO. I WILL NOT PUT MYSELF IN A POSITION TO WHERE I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF IN A COURT OF LAW. IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE VIOLATED THE TERMS OF THE BOI THEN YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD, I HAVE BIGGER WORRIES RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN QUOTE WHATEVER I HAVE SAID. YOU CAN CALL ME WHATEVER YOU LIKE. YOU CAN CRITISIZE ME OR MAKE FUN OF MY SPELLING. I DO NOT CARE. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THIS HOBBY AND WHAT IS TAKING PLACE. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, BELIEVE WHO YOU WANT. THERE IS A LOT AT STAKE RIGHT NOW. IF WE ARE GOING TO WIN THEN WE NEED TO BE ONE. AND IN MY PERSONAL BELIEFS I WOULD HIGHLY RECCOMMEND JOINING USARK.

Thank you.
Brian Dierking
 
brd7666 said:
Most of which is taking place under the table.
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I understand what you are saying. But if this is all 'under the table' how do you know about it?

You say you've made a bunch of phone calls. So far, why would that be more than the perpetration of unfounded rumor?

I agree we should all work together better than we do in this industry, and that would make us stronger. But if you are, without more, excluding 'big money' from the 'together', it won't be together. Everyone has their own special interest, big money, small money, and so on. But I think before excluding some party from the 'together' there should be more than phone calls involved.
 
If there really is a small group of industry big boys selling out all the small and hobbyist breeders it truly is a sad thing. On many levels. But most importantly, do these people not realize how many families they would be ruining? I mean look at the 100's of small breeders, food breeders, supply manufacturers, etc, etc out there that would go belly up. What is a few thousand more bankrupt, homeless and hungry people in good ole America?

What kind of people would do that to so many for nothing more than their own financial gain? And I am talking about families here. 100's, if not 1000's, that would be completely devastated. This would truly be a tragedy and one that is becoming all too common place in this country.
 
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