Right, it's a well known fact that once you post documents you can't use them again![]()
Of course it is! Once they're online, you can't EVER use them again. Much like pictures...
Right, it's a well known fact that once you post documents you can't use them again![]()
Actually, you're wrong, and it might be a problem. I am not KYTuan's keeper -- I'm not even friends with him. He reached out to me yesterday with a photo of the tortoise Dr. Robert Brunner had claimed died inquiring about information regarding the genetics of the tortoise.
As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, what he wishes to share with the community is up to him. Frankly, he has no motivation nor incentive to share anything. Keeping rare and value animals is an extremely private matter, and it may not be something he wishes to share or disclose. I'll leave that up to him.
On my end, I have already posted the text messages and photo he sent to me showing the tortoise I sold Robert very much alive and healthy.
Am I missing something?
Just because this Tuan sent you a picture of the tortoise does NOT mean he had to have it in his possesion at all, it could have been a photo the "doc" sent him when he was considering buying.
It is quite plausible Tuan has never owned the tort in question and was indeed just trying to flip it for a quick profit (poor tort!)
Either way it would mean the doc is lying as he either did sell it to Tuan or was trying to sell it to Tuan meaning it most certainly is not dead as he claimed.
No, it hasn't - at least, not beyond doubt. The broken English makes the statements in the screenshots more than a little ambiguous. Maybe not a popular opinion, but I think the choice to not come forward and help clear things up is saying some unflattering things about Kytuan. While he clearly lacks the inclination, I disagree with the idea that he doesn't have some responsibility to help expose the truth.Read posts 25 and 34... this has already been answered multiple times.
The last bold part is something you apparently didn't bother to consider. How much sense would it make to spend thousands on an animal before confirming its lineage? Admittedly anecdotal, but still worth considering.This is not exactly true. When I was first asked about this tortoise only three days ago by Tuan, what I told him was that no #443 offspring were sold directly to Ici Li by any of the three people who have owned dam #443, but that did not mean Ici Li didn't purchase the male from someone who DID buy one of the many #443 offspring. I told him to ask Ici Li from whom he bought the tortoise and knowing that information might enable me to confirm the claim.
Tuan declined to ask Ici Li for that information and told me that he had not bothered asking Ici Li about it because he (Tuan) decided against buying the tortoise because the asking price of $6500 was too high. The confusing thing to me upon reading this thread was that Tuan had told me Ici Li was selling the tortoise and never mentioned anything about Robert Brunner.
I also found out that just yesterday Tuan was attempting to trade this same tortoise to yet another person (Jerry Carucci) when Jerry asked me for my opinion of the animal and sent me photos of the tortoise in the same pen as those which Tuan had sent me on Monday.
I am left with the question of how and why Robert Brunner would know what I had told Tuan only a day or so ago because I have never had any communication with Robert Brunner in any form. Furthermore, if Dr. Brunner doesn't still have the tortoise, why would he need or be given that information by Tuan?
To m, it seems quite possible Robert Brunner still has the tortoise and was offering it to Tuan which prompted Tuan to contact me on Monday. Was Tuan then trying to "flip" the tortoise before even buying it when he offered to trade or sell it Jerry Carucci yesterday? I believe it would appear that way to most thinking people. This is very likely why Tuan cannot post a photo of the tortoise next to a paper with the date on it which I believe someone requested a few posts ago (because the tortoise is not in his possession).
All of the above makes it extremely hard to know who and what to believe in this debacle as far as I am concerned.
Ici, I'm curious, when Kytuan was asking you about lineage information, why did you keep asking 'What was your offering price?' 'What's your offer?' (in post #34)?
I think you are kind of missing the point here. Posting a picture as a favor to you isn't something that is wrong, rude, or innapropriate of you to ask of him. Of course he has the right to say no, but the way you put it makes it sound like you may be making excuses to people who may think you are a liar as the most appropriate reason for you not getting it from him should be "I asked him and he said no/he cant/doesn't want to. The way you are phrasing it makes it seem as if you may be trying to avoid even trying to ask this guy is kind of the point people are trying to make you understand, even if the majority of us beleive that you are the victim here. Transparency is the only way to keep people from forming conspiracy theories.Bill, if you've been paying attention in this thread, Robert Brunner confirmed a few pages back that he did indeed do a deal with a Tuan, but it was for a "different" radiated tortoise.
In addition, Tuan has no dog in this fight and no motivation nor incentive to post anything. I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that he "cannot post a photo of the tortoise next to a paper with the date on it."
I wouldn't deal with either of these guys. I believe Mr. Brunner is a lying thief. Mr. Li is rude and condescending to the members posting in his thread that are trying to help figure the story out. Nothing has been proven by either party in my opinion.
I agree, if in fact this was a wedding ring. In another thread, Brunner offers some watches as part of a trade (and was turned down).I tend to agree. There are a lot of claims of "proof" on both sides but nothing conclusive has been posted. Using a wedding ring as collateral for a tort is just bizarre.
The offer he made me was for some watches
I had thought that very early on while reading this, I'm still reading but yea I remember him saying he had to go do surgery and Lucille I believe pointed out that a doctor in his practice WOULD NOT be preforming surgery.Ok...NOW I remember you! You are the Dr. Who pretended to have to go preform a surgery but got busted looking at the BOI when you were supposedly in the OR! ROFL! I just KNEW we were going to see more of you!
Hint: It doesn't change the validity (or lack there of...) of documents which prove your case by posting them here. In fact, your refusal to post these supposed documents actually makes you look like a liar. You wouldn't be lying again, would you Doctor...?
~Beau
Amazing what they can do these days. They must have a computer set up in the surgery suite and it must be tuned in to Fauna
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I think someone else pointed out about the practice, I caught him in a fib, he was here online, on Fauna after he said he was leaving to go do surgery:
not the one that died!!!
YOU ARE THE FRAUD...Faking Texts
And posting my picture and info is Illegal
You will be getting small claims papers this week
And if you do anything to my wedding band ----You will pay alot more than its worth in court
Speaking of fibs, Ici, have you got served yet or was that just another lie Brunner has perpetrated?
Speaking of fibs, Ici, have you got served yet or was that just another lie Brunner has perpetrated?
I have text messages from Dr. Brunner going 2 months back claiming that he was going to take me to small claims court to sue me for not returning his fake ring. Even in this thread and in private messages, he has threatened to sue me. So far, nothing yet...!!![]()
If it is fake like you say he isn't going to get far, because you can't sue for the return of an item in New York small claims, only for $.
http://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/pdfs/smallclaimshandbook.pdf