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What is a proper feeding schedule for boas?

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I have ran across others discussing this topic and was curious to what everyone's opinions were on a proper feeding schedule?

My recommendations are assuming we are all feeding a suitable sized prey item at each feeding. I myself am actually in the process of changing my feeding schedules, which is why I am so curious to what others have to say. My current opinion for a proper feeding schedule depending on size/age is listed below.


0-3 months, feed every 10-14 days.

3-6 months, feed every 14 days.

6 months-2/3 years, feed every 21 days.

3 years +, feed every 30 days.

Personally, right now I am feeding my 0-1 year boas every 14 days. My sub-adults are fed every 21 days and my adults are fed once a month.

Power feeding is when an animal is basically fed as much as they will eat, constantly, in a way that forces the animal to grow at a rapid rate. This method decreases quality of health, will cost more money, requires more food to be on hand and in the end prematurely kills the animal.
 
I think there's too many variables to post a schedule as simple as the one you put up, Jeremy. It all depends on breeding. If I wasn't breeding the animals, the schedule you posted would work well, possibly even overfeeding a bit for adults.

I feed at about the same rate for juveniles. For adults before breeding season, I up their feeding just a little bit, probably every two weeks until I'm ready to shut them down for cycling. After breeding I also tend to feed them more often to get their weight back on. This is dependent on how much weight they lost, I will sometimes feed them up to once a week for a short period if they lost a good bit of weight before putting them back down to a normal feeding schedule.

All in all, I think the whole deal is helping to inhibit proper growth and then to maintain healthy weight once adulthood is hit. Proper growth does not mean fast growth, but a healthy development.

Chris
 
these numbers fluctuate, give or take some days - I feed more in the summer and less in the winter, I feed items that do not leave a large bulge, one item per feeding. I feed based on what I perceive the needs of the snake to be and I lean heavily to the slow-grow side. I've been told I 'maintenance feed' like it is a bad thing and I know not everyone will agree with how I do things but my animals seem to thrive so this works for me.

babies - 7-14 days
juvis - 2-4 weeks
adults - 3-6 weeks

My '06 female babies on this schedule are expected to be 'of size' to breed next year (6 years old). My '09 babies are just now hitting the 4' mark.

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Powerfeeding to me is - growing an animal as fast as possible in order to achieve a desired size for quick breeding attempts.

Powerfeeding to me is feeding an animal as soon as it poops out the last meal, feeding it as much as it will consume, bumping up food sizes as quickly as possible, foods which leave a very large bulge, a snake that has visible fat deposits on the tail and is still being pumped with food.
 
I think there's too many variables to post a schedule as simple as the one you put up, Jeremy. It all depends on breeding. If I wasn't breeding the animals, the schedule you posted would work well, possibly even overfeeding a bit for adults.
Chris

I left it simple for a reason. Each persons reaction or opinion on what I posted is what I am interested in.

How do you feel feeding an adult once a month is over feeding?
 
If they are not going through the rigors of breeding, I think they can go easily two months between feeding and do excellent. The longevity records for boas were set at the Philadelphia Zoo and those animals were on a feeding schedule of every 3-4 months.

Chris
 
I agree that feeding schedules will fluctuate depending on length of day(s), outside temp (summer or winter) and if they are being conditioned for breeding. My feeding schedule I posted is meant more for a "standard" for someone just getting into boas that is keeping them as a pet.

I also slow my feedings on my adult boas as I am conditioning them for breeding. I feel it is healthy to do the same with the smaller boas, as they would be subjected to this in the wild.
 
In fact Vin Russo feels ALL boas should be subjected to a cooler period with no food during this period. It is something I am working on for my boas.
 
I was told that my boa, which was born in March of this year, was to be fed every seven days.
By not only a man (damn my memory for forgetting names so easily) on Fauna Chat, but also the person that sold her to myself and my husband.
We figured that was normal, and she always took them until two weeks ago, when she finally just seemed uninterested.
Im going to try her again this friday when im off work, so hopefully trips all over SW MO will bear fruit of her being hungry enough to just munch down on something.

My cornsnakes though, I feed them every 7 days and they are juveniles. They both take those (after a few discussions with the lady who sold them to me on how she fed them) pinkies just fine.
They sit in their tubs, freak out a bit cause ive moved them, and then.. oh.. oh.. MOUSE.

Theyre all fine and they poo at least two or three days after ive fed them.

Id also like to point out im fairly new to the Herp business industry whatever... and im learning quickly on what is right, what is wrong, and what is suggestive.

Anyway, good luck on the rest of you with reptiles! Hope they all progress nicely and are happy with full tummies!
 
Okay, so other than the fact that they want to make money, why do pet stores tell you to feed snakes once a week?

And I'm a bit confused here on the size of food given, and only feeding 1 item. Everyone is saying that you don't want to leave a large bulge, but I can put three good sized hoppers into my '11 (born May 4th) albino boa without really putting a big bump in the belly. So what the heck is my problem and what am I doing wrong? He isn't big enough for mice yet, I'm almost certain of that.

Is it possible that everyone just has their own opinions on feeding schedules? I agree that power feeding is wrong. But the snake is only going to grow according to how much they are fed. So if you feed it a good sized meal every 7-14 days how could it possibly be getting too much food?

I'm so confused by that.
 
I think the majority fail to understand what a snake is in snake terms
Those that have the primary objective of breeding could care less
They are just animals right,if you paid for them you can do what
you want with them.No law against it.

Problem with public forums is the tendency to focus on the big name breeders and follow their advise.If you ask them they will tell you
"how they do it",so folks take it as the gospel and run with it.
Then they tell some one and they tell some one and so on and so on.

Now you have a huge bunch trying to follow a breeder that depends on "production" and or "reproduction",the word is still be passed along
and the crowd continues to grow . . . . .

Where in all that is the snake on snake terms ?
Do wild snakes get to eat perfect quality prey days,weeks from birth ?
Young
If they are lucky do they eat every consecutive week in a micro controlled environment?
 
This is the part that gets me. What if a snake out in the wild got to eat once a week, based on where it chooses to live? A perfect food supply that it was able to gorge itself on.

Just because they dont get to eat that often in the wild, doesn't necessarily mean that they cant handle that feeding regimen. Maybe its not that they are being power fed, but are being fed optimally?
I'm just throwing my thoughts around here. Not saying that i know everything, but just getting gears turning..
 
Sitting in a micro environment,using zero energy,burning zero calories
The obvious effects on power fed captive reptiles is there!
Even the alleged experts show their worth in snake terms,unexplained premature death
with in the first 4-6 yrs.Hmmm why is that? Oh its explainable alright,just not on public forums.

Its all about "snake sense" and how much smarter you really are compaired
to what your working with.
 
If snakes are kept in rack systems where they have no option but to not exercise, that is certainly true. They will just keep gaining weight and essentially do what a good majority of Americans will do with McDonald's food.

But if the snake is given the ability to do what it is supposed to do in the wild,
climb trees, move about, stretch itself around, then what is the problem with feeding it once a week or every two weeks?

My first pet boa, born in 2009 was given to me in July of 2010. It was just under 3 feet long, and was being fed 2 mice weekly. Before the mice it was on 2 hoppers weekly, and so on...
Was that growth rate too fast for the snake? It grew about a foot or so in a year being fed once a week.
Is that really too much growth for a boa??
 
There are a lot of variables, and meal size is one of them.
Some people feed (standard) BCI babies pinky mice, which seems silly to me. Others start them on (smallish) adult mice. Personally, I usually start on rat pinks or hopper mice.

Some people will increase the number of prey items, rather than increase the size. I tend to stick with one prey item per meal. Sometimes that meal may be bigger or smaller, depending on what I have in the freezer. By the same token, my feeding schedule doesn't totally adhere to the calendar.


The reality is that snakes have evolved to endure intervals without food. While it can be argued that 15-18 meals per year might not be optimal for a young boa, I don't think it should be as easy as a declaration that 52 meals is. So far, what we HAVE learned is that frequent meals in order to promote rapid growth is counterproductive in terms of longevity. There is a lot of experimentation with regards to feeding schedules, but it is largely anecdotal. Is feeding smaller than "normal" prey, at more frequent intervals better for the snake than feeding "normal" less often? :shrug01: I don't claim to know...nor do I expect to know for certain in my time. It would take organized efforts over the course of 20-30 yrs to get the data; and I suspect it would still be inconclusive about what is "best".

I can see it now, if I live to be 80, seeing some article about the proper feeding of boa constrictors....and chuckling that people are still going on about that.
 
Great thread!

I keep Brazilian Rainbows rather than larger boas. They generally top out at medium rats, which only make a minor lump in adults. The species is also known for a tendency to obesity in captivity.

The “recommended” ranges -- which I compiled across numerous care sheets and breeder conversations -- are as follows:
--Babies: 04-07 days (one as high as “1-2 times per week,” and one or two as low as 10)
--Adults: 07-14 days

I took the conservative end for both, and my current feeding schedule is as follows:
--00-18M/24F months: every 7 days
--18M/24F+ months: every 14 days
I also tend to round down on food size, and skip meals every now and then.

Based on more and more comments about overfeeding, I've considered moving to a slightly less frequent schedule of:
--00-18 months (babies/fast growth phase): every 7 days
--18-30 months (juveniles/growth slowing): every 14 days
--30+ months (adults): every 21 days
As was noted above, I’d probably make feeding exceptions for breeding females just before and after that period.

Again, great topic.
 
I can see it too Harald. HA HA

My first Boa was a Suri imported by Lloyd Lemke in 1975. She was estimated at 2-3 yrs old, and was about the size of my 3 yr old Boas now, roughly 4 ft+ I fed her every 10-14 days (basically as soon as she defecated) and usually a couple items, for her entire life. Which wasn't all that long. My mom always told me I was going to kill her feeding her that much, but you how us teens know more then anyone else does. So I kept on feeding her, she kept on growing, etc.

By 11th grade in HS, she was an easy 9 ft 35 lb animal, when she sadly passed away. A mere 7 yrs in my care. We opened her up in biology class, just because it was a good and different learning lesson, and her entire dermis was undercoated with a layer of fat, Her musculature was marbled with fat. Her organs, all of them, were marbled with fat. Problem is, I didn't learn anything from it as far as feeding goes, until many yrs later, when a friend shared some pictures of his Boa that died and was opened by a vet, who stated emphatically it was from over feeding. These pictures mirrored what I saw in biology class.

For a guy who loved his animals and thought he was doing the best for them, it was a wake up call for me. I haven't fed like that since, and never will. I can see the results in my animals, and I like what I see. Even if that means I gotta wait longer for litters.

I think where we go wrong is, we think like a human, on human terms, instead of like Toms says, thinking like a snake. Boas in the wild don't really actively hunt like many other species. They're an ambush predator, and might lay in wait for a week or more before it moves on because nothing came along for it to feed on, then wait somewhere else for a week or more, etc etc. They might get lucky and have 3 meals in a week come by, which they will gladly consume because they are also opportunistic hunters. After all, they may go the next 6 months with no meal at all. And that is what they are designed to do.

We put them in a cage, and everything changes. They aren't free to roam the same way they would in the wild. They are limited by the size of the cage, and often settle down after just a couple laps. So they do a sight more laying around in a cage then what they are designed for. We control their environment and often times they don't even get a proper temp fluctuation. Then we feed them more then they are designed to eat, and usually one type of item, rats. This alone is also working against them because they aren't getting the same variety of nutrients they would be from the various food items in their natural environment. This may cause deficiencies for all we know, and cause their system to not process this extra fat. Who knows. What we do know is that fat kills.

How about a medical/biological stand point not concerning fat. Some of you may recall yrs back a study done with Burmese python. During this study they found many things transpire during a feed response. For one, their heart rate speeds up, which in turn raises blood pressure. Likely an attempt to oxygenate the musculature for striking and constricting. Constricting further raised the blood pressure. When blood was drawn before and after, it was found that there were chemicals/hormones released into the system during the feed. These levels didn't drop for many hours after the feed. It's suspected that this flood of naturally occurring chemicals may have an adverse long term effect. Meaning if it occurs too often, it may harm the animal in the long run, much like too much testosterone in men causes baldness, and other physical ailments.

Even after all that is said, what really is a proper schedule for feeding a Boa? I know a guy who only feeds his Boas 4 times a yrs, and I never seen a picture of them where they looked malnourished. I'll wager his will out live mine too, because I just don't at this time, wish to try that extreme end of this ever lasting debate.

I have had good results so far feeding every 3 weeks, with the occasional extra week or two thrown in for good measure. I start this regimen their first yr. at about 6 months old give or take. I rarely have refusals, but if I do, they wait till the next go around.

I also take into consideration each animal as an individual. I had a female Hog Island Boa that was getting visually FAT off 1 large rat every 3 weeks. For her I had to adjust things. 2 feedings at regular intervals of young rabbit, then a lg rat the next time. Which actually seemed to work for her too.

But I also say if you're happy with your animal living maybe a dozen yrs, when the longevity should be closer to 30, then go right ahead and feed them all you want. If I've been convinced of anything since I got my first Boa so long ago, it's that we as humans tend to over feed, (our dogs, our cats, our children etc) and are causing the early death of our Boas.


That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :thumbsup:
 
I posted a link to a similar article years ago...sadly, the link no longer works; and I've been unable to locate that article again.
 
The one I'm referring to I actually had in PDF once upon a time. But I think that it got consumed when my HDD went belly up a few yrs back. I couldn't retrieve any info at all, I lost all kinds of data on that one.

I haven't been able to locate the original source since then either. It was quite an interesting study though IMO.
 
By what has been presented it is very clear of ones "intent"
when it comes to feeding captive BCI species/ssp
Feeding every 7-10/7-14 days is willfully feeding an animal for "growth"

The entire issue is and or has been so carelessly handled to where its
virtually out of control.
The
 
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