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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Bad Guy Scammed by Andrew Michael Popp Las Vegas, NV

Chris, I am a little confused.

The first screen shot you posted, you initially reached out on 12/23, and Andrew did not reply until the 27th just saying, "are you still interested, this guy is getting weird on me"?

Also, the jump from "Yes, I'm Chris Davis, take my money!" to "The website is SYR..." that is where you guys talked on the phone, and you are just summarizing your phone convo?
 
One thing that seems to be rather apparent: Chris Davis has a knack for running into unusually bad deals involving Turtles and online purchases. One would think (logically) that he would either A-be more selective/careful with his decisions on who to deal with or B-forego online purchases altogether giving his track record.

I find it odd that he continues to do business with scammers or unknown people.

I buy a lot of turtles, so that increases my chances of running in to a dirtbag. But also I'm a naturally trusting person, and yes that probably gets the best of me
 
Chris, I am a little confused.

The first screen shot you posted, you initially reached out on 12/23, and Andrew did not reply until the 27th just saying, "are you still interested, this guy is getting weird on me"?

Also, the jump from "Yes, I'm Chris Davis, take my money!" to "The website is SYR..." that is where you guys talked on the phone, and you are just summarizing your phone convo?



It was half phone and half text - so that's how the conversation looks
 
Chris, I am a little confused.

The first screen shot you posted, you initially reached out on 12/23, and Andrew did not reply until the 27th just saying, "are you still interested, this guy is getting weird on me"?

Also, the jump from "Yes, I'm Chris Davis, take my money!" to "The website is SYR..." that is where you guys talked on the phone, and you are just summarizing your phone convo?



Also, it was not "take my money" he signed a contract, he gave three good references, and Mike Fedzen had done business with him before. And he used his employer for credibility, the turtles came from Jimmy Whitt who owns like six stores. Excuse me for not expecting every single person in the reptile biz to be a low down dirty F*** crook!
 
Also, it was not "take my money" he signed a contract, he gave three good references, and Mike Fedzen had done business with him before. And he used his employer for credibility, the turtles came from Jimmy Whitt who owns like six stores. Excuse me for not expecting every single person in the reptile biz to be a low down dirty F*** crook!

Yes, I read it. It wasn't a criticism, it was levity. Lighten up. You don't need to respond to or answer every argument you feel you're invited to, especially when replies that aren't relevant to the facts or moving resolution forward make the thread more convoluted.
 
Eventually you're going to figure it out for yourself Chris, but unfortunately a good portion of the captive herp community actually ARE morally/ethically questionable. I've learned this myself over the past 20+ years in dealing with reptiles.
 
A few points here. I hope that the pics that you have to identify the animals are bigger than they appear on here as it isn't that easy to do so based on the size of the pics from the ad in the Summer. A judge may accept expert testimony from the parties that you have mentioned since they are experts in the field but to the untrained eye it maybe tougher to tell especially with that size of pics. The onus will be on you to prove that he was dishonest in the deal since you are the one bringing on the action. I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :)

I do not see him admitting that he lied, etc. was that done in text or email or on the phone? If it's not in text or email and was done verbally it will be tough/virtually impossible for you to prove what you said that he told you. If it's in black and white then there is no doubt that he did as you've said that he did and he's in trouble if he doesn't right this.

I too have been scammed but in a non chelonian deal, the best thing that you can do is learn from it and try to recover what you can out of it. Do not make the same mistakes again. If you are a trusting person, reserve that trust for those that have earned it and try to be more cautious for your own financial protection.
 
A few points here. I hope that the pics that you have to identify the animals are bigger than they appear on here as it isn't that easy to do so based on the size of the pics from the ad in the Summer. A judge may accept expert testimony from the parties that you have mentioned since they are experts in the field but to the untrained eye it maybe tougher to tell especially with that size of pics. The onus will be on you to prove that he was dishonest in the deal since you are the one bringing on the action. I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :)

I do not see him admitting that he lied, etc. was that done in text or email or on the phone? If it's not in text or email and was done verbally it will be tough/virtually impossible for you to prove what you said that he told you. If it's in black and white then there is no doubt that he did as you've said that he did and he's in trouble if he doesn't right this.

I too have been scammed but in a non chelonian deal, the best thing that you can do is learn from it and try to recover what you can out of it. Do not make the same mistakes again. If you are a trusting person, reserve that trust for those that have earned it and try to be more cautious for your own financial protection.

So, yes you have brought up some very good points here, he sent me an actual contract, that stated if they do not prove out het for snow or caramel, then he will refund the $6,000 plus $1,000.00 for keeping expenses. But the problem with that is, that I cant sue under that contract until they hatch some eggs, maybe a year or two.

Now, he did state on his text messages, that he guarantees my satisfaction or my money back - so of all the complexity, those few simple words may be the ones the judge hears the loudest. And those few words could save the day.

Okay, so also, the package arrived two hours late, so this slimy scammer even got a refund from UPS - lol - I mean, I guess stealing the $6,000 was not enough to satisfy that greedy itch.

Please see the text message screen shot attached, where he agrees, to my confirmation about "adults" - I can show the judge these are not adults, not even close. I will find a reptile expert in Vegas to come to court and testify about that when the time comes. So, your absolutely right, a lot of my evidence will go right out the window. However, I do have some hard core evidence, enough to show without a doubt that Andrew Popp is a lying crook.

Okay, so lets say I lose? - I will wait until they hatch out, and then I will sue again, and this time I will have a black and white signed contract to nail him with.

Also, since his shot Scales N Tails are involved, they are being sued also, and I am speaking with the DA about criminal charges. -

Okay Okay, so the your thinking the DA is not gonna do crap right? - Well that may be the case, but who wants to chance that.

What if the DA feels for me, and issues felony warrants? - And Andrew Popp is not likely to be given a bonus from his boss for getting them all sued, unless, like I suspect, they are all in the theft ring. They came from the owner and were sold by a saleman of Scales N Tails (Andrew Popp)

Anyway, its a lot of risk, I really truly believe that Scales N Tails and Andrew Popp will think long and hard, before they scam the next guy. - Im never gonna stop, Im gonna sue and sue until they make me stop. And im leaving reviews on BBB and everywhere else about Scales N tails involvement.

Also, get this, Andrew Popp sends me an email the other night and says I have crossed a line, and that he is gonna get me for lible and slander>>> HAHAHAHA - Bring it on you little lying, cheating, scammer!
 

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Eventually you're going to figure it out for yourself Chris, but unfortunately a good portion of the captive herp community actually ARE morally/ethically questionable. I've learned this myself over the past 20+ years in dealing with reptiles.

It would probably earn me an infraction if I asked everyone to boycott Scales N Tails - and to let Andrew Popp know that scams in the reptile industry are frowned upon - and to let Scales N Tails know that their support and participation of Scam or fraud is not welcome.

So I won't asked everyone to do that for me
 
Also, since his shot Scales N Tails are involved, they are being sued also, and I am speaking with the DA about criminal charges. -
This is not a criminal case. There was a contract for turtles, you got turtles, but they are not what was bargained for. At most you are owed the difference between what was promised and what was received. I am not unsympathetic, and your posting of the turtle sizes was well done. It does appear that the turtles are smaller than advertised.


I'm waiting on your proof, but it is difficult to see how they have any liability at this point. Andrew may be their employee but he did not seem to be acting within the scope of his employment when this transaction was made. And as far as their name used for credibility, again I'm waiting on proof but if Andrew used their name, that is not their fault. If prior to the transaction they guaranteed the deal that is different, but the initial transaction seems to be between you and Andrew.
I'm sure all will be clearer once you post your proofs.

You've posted your proofs and in them, I continue to see no wrongdoing so far by Scales N Tails. At one time they had the turtles, but at the time of the transaction Popp had them. Popp works there, but the sale was not done within the scope of his employment. Scales N Tails seem innocent of wrongdoing yet you continue to threaten them.




Im gonna sue and sue until they make me stop. And im leaving reviews on BBB and everywhere else about Scales N tails involvement.

I think you are making a lot of loud threats. The problem is, is that you have used the very same method in your other past transactions that haven't gone so well and you've done squat. From your last dispute:

I am flying to Miami Dade in mid November. I am going to provided everything to a superior court judge. They might laugh me out of the courtroom. But may they may not, and if they issue the warrants for felony theft by deception, I absolutely vow not to drop the charges, under any circumstances. No matter what.
 
I posted my itenerary and I am going to Las Vegas on Tuesday, I will post a picture of me at the courthouse filing the double lawsuits.

Is Scales N Tails liable? Is Andrew Popp liable - that is for the judge to figure out

Is it criminal? He posted them as big adult and het for snow and collected $4500.00 too much because he lied about what they are - so I believe it's criminal, the DA can decided that.

As far as the scam in Miami, he asked me to wait until FEB 1st to make good on the scam - and I agreed. But after that, I'll go straight if Orlando and never think twice about it.

I'm happy somebody thinks I'm bluffing - I mean, what's done is done and the money is stolen, so now I'm gonna have a little fun with it. I will post some Vegas courthouse pics
 
I posted my itenerary and I am going to Las Vegas on Tuesday, I will post a picture of me at the courthouse filing the double lawsuits.

Is Scales N Tails liable? Is Andrew Popp liable - that is for the judge to figure out

Is it criminal? He posted them as big adult and het for snow and collected $4500.00 too much because he lied about what they are - so I believe it's criminal, the DA can decided that.

As far as the scam in Miami, he asked me to wait until FEB 1st to make good on the scam - and I agreed. But after that, I'll go straight if Orlando and never think twice about it.

I'm happy somebody thinks I'm bluffing - I mean, what's done is done and the money is stolen, so now I'm gonna have a little fun with it. I will post some Vegas courthouse pics
So was the airplane ticket a cheap bluff?
 
I posted my itenerary and I am going to Las Vegas on Tuesday, I will post a picture of me at the courthouse filing the double lawsuits.

Is Scales N Tails liable? Is Andrew Popp liable - that is for the judge to figure out

Is it criminal? He posted them as big adult and het for snow and collected $4500.00 too much because he lied about what they are - so I believe it's criminal, the DA can decided that.

As far as the scam in Miami, he asked me to wait until FEB 1st to make good on the scam - and I agreed. But after that, I'll go straight if Orlando and never think twice about it.

I'm happy somebody thinks I'm bluffing - I mean, what's done is done and the money is stolen, so now I'm gonna have a little fun with it. I will post some Vegas courthouse pics


Not Orlando - Sorry. I meant Miami Dade courthouse
 
I hate to say it, but nobody believes you Chris. Nobody truly believes you're going to fly across the country sueing all the evil turtle scammers.

Heres some blunt advise for you: stop throwing thousands of dollars for turtles to nobodies. Do your research, and conduct transactions with reputable people. Stop being so gullible.
 
I hate to say it, but nobody believes you Chris. Nobody truly believes you're going to fly across the country sueing all the evil turtle scammers.

Heres some blunt advise for you: stop throwing thousands of dollars for turtles to nobodies. Do your research, and conduct transactions with reputable people. Stop being so gullible.


I hate to say it David, but when you say "nobody" you are only referring to you. And I am going to prove you wrong, you know how?

I am going to take a selfie, holding a sign that says "hello David", in front of the las vegas superior courthouse. - And at that point, you will know that you really were wrong.

Here is some blunt advise for you - when you see the picture, maybe give some props that I am ruthlessly pursuing a scammer, and stop hating
 
I hate to say it, but nobody believes you Chris. Nobody truly believes you're going to fly across the country sueing all the evil turtle scammers.

Heres some blunt advise for you: stop throwing thousands of dollars for turtles to nobodies. Do your research, and conduct transactions with reputable people. Stop being so gullible.

David, none of what I say is meant to be rude. But let me be clear, I am flying 2000 miles, and spending an entire day to nail a scammer named Andrew Popp. You seem to come on this BOI, and hate on me a lot.

But thats okay, hate on my friend. I will post a selfie picture of me, with a sign in front of the courthouse on Wednesday night. - I have special rainy day fund set aside, that is dedicated 100% to hunting herp scammers - instead of hating, you should join my cause, lets make a blacklist. Meaning its not intended for those who dislike each other, or get in a sword fight - but would be designed for tried, true, actual thieving little prick low life scammers, kind of like Andrew Popp lol
 
Andrew Popp said that even though his add said 6 inches, 7.5 inches, and 8 inches, he said they are actually much bigger - the are heavy breeders, Andrew said.
Did you see the ad and pictures prior to purchase?
 
Did you see the ad and pictures prior to purchase?


Yes, I did, Andrew Popp sounded like he could be my brother, he was very nice and professional. He sent pictures, and with the references, and his six stores, He won my trust.

He sent the pictures, and they looked fine, I guess I should have asked him to put them next to a tape measure, but I mean, come on? At what point do you stop checking something, I really truly thought this was honest and good.

Hey, this is costing me around $7,500.00, so there is really no need for anyone on the BOI to give me grief about it. The reptile industry is very sad, people begging me for money, and scamming, and creeping around.

Its really very sad, and although I love my animals soooooo much, I am likely to leave the community soon. Because of the lack of integrity, pride, morals, and ethics. - The reptile community has too many homeless type people, or maybe like ex-convicts, looking for a new start.

Or I dont know, its very embarrassing that I have been scammed repeatedly, I honestly am very self disciplined, and I accept my responsibility for being careless, and being scammed over and over again.

I worked in law enforcement for years, and left to do Private investigations, so you can imagine the two extremes, where everyone is honest and I put my life in another mans hands everyday. But then now in the reptile community, where its a free for all, people want to harm me, and scam my money, and they have no ethical or religious beliefs that make them not want to act in this manor.

Im meeting with the DA at 10:30, Andrew Popp has a criminal history. I agree with David, that the DA is not going to do crap.

But im gonna walk in there and really tell the prosecutor everything, and I will have proof in hand. And she knows how far I flew out there. Maybe she will issues warrants. (probably not)

But lets pretend she does, - we could use this as a landmark moment for the herp industry, and try to send a clear and present message to the predators, that are stalking our reptiles ads, right now
 
Do mature turtles. other than size, have a 'heavy' substantial look to them?



You saw a picture of the actual critters, and 'mature' turtles either are, or are not, different aside from size.
If they are, you as an experienced turtle keeper would have seen that maturity in the picture.
If they are not, then the ones you got may be mature, just a bit small.
If they are smaller than advertised but mature, perhaps a partial refund would be appropriate.



Hey, this is costing me around $7,500.00, so there is really no need for anyone on the BOI to give me grief about it.
Well, actually, there is. You have repeatedly threatened to sue Tails N Scales when there is no proof whatsoever that they took part in the transaction. They had the turtle at one point, but at the time of the transaction it was apparently Popp's turtle.
And while he works there, this was not their transaction.
You seem to be trying to harm a party that looks innocent, Tails N Scales. There is always room to shield the innocent from harm and it is worth standing up and saying something.
 
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