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Leucistic question for breeders

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Hi all -

I'm not by any means a leo gek guy. So I figure I'd ask those of you who are. Without getting into much detail, I'm able to get my hands on a WC leucistic leopard gecko. This would all be above the board and legal BTW.

Whats this animal worth, and more importantly would anyone in the hobby be interested in it? Is leucistiscm (sp?) even a genetic trait in leo's or just a birth fluke?

If it's a waste of time and money for me to even consider it, feel free to say so in plain words...
 
Putting all personal doubts aside concerning the orgin of this specimen, you forgot to look at one detail. It you plan on importing it from any of the countries that support wild populations of Leopard geckos, well, you're out of luck. Recently the US customs placed a ban on the importation of many goods, including live animals, from these countries. Even if you were to bring it into Europe and reexport it, it would still be considered illegal.

On to the orgin part, so who is offering this gecko, where are they located, sure it's not WC and they are trying to screw you over? what makes you so certain it is in fact WC and not CBB? A WC would be nice to bring in new blood, maybe it's even a seperate gene, but I do find it a bit odd that you have access to this animal.
 
A family friend has been teaching at a christian missionary in India for the past 16 months. One of his students gave him this animal as a classroom pet. He knows that I'm interested in exotic animals and has contacted me about bringing it back. He is coming home June 6th. Special provisions have been granted in the past for military and civilian families living abroad for long periods to bring non-livestock pets back to the states with them. He has permission from the Indian government to bring it with him, but would have to contact USFW to get a waiver, which he feels he could get.

If not, he can apply for a scientific collection permit from both India and the US (he is a life-sciences professor) and try it that way.

The origin I am 100% sure of.

He has asked me to find out what if anything it may be worth, and if it is worth the trouble to go through to export it legaly. He would not bring it into the country illegaly. It would have documentation that it was collected legaly in western India, as well as the correct papers to show it is a legal import.
 
Lets see a pic.

See if you can get a picture of this animal. I am sure everyone would love to see it.
 
It would be cool for you to try, but I highly doubt you will be allowed to bring in an animal from India, not only does India prohibit export, but the US prohibits importation of Indian wildlife. If you can do it legit, go for it, if not, don't even try.
 
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wild caught leucistic?

im amazed by the lack of enthusiam being displayed on this thread.

IMPORT IT!!! what ever it is, its obviously different. maybe its a patternless, maybe its a blizzard, maybe its a new morph all together. either way... it should be brought into the states.

Good Luck importing it and id love to see a picture.
 
Re: wild caught leucistic?

diablohogs said:
im amazed by the lack of enthusiam being displayed on this thread.

IMPORT IT!!! what ever it is, its obviously different. maybe its a patternless, maybe its a blizzard, maybe its a new morph all together. either way... it should be brought into the states.

Good Luck importing it and id love to see a picture.
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i'M WITH YOU ON THAT!!!! LOOK FOWARD TO SEEING. Man what if it is a luecistic!!!
 
then what

Yeah, I agree, bring it here, but then what? We wont know anything about it unless an expert gets ahold of it, and we wont know its genetics or het. traits, or anything unless we breed it, but who would breed it?

Unless you give it to someone who knows what they are doing, there is really no point in bringing it here. Then if you do sell it, its your word against someone else's, but I suppose you would have the import papers or whatever.

What I'm getting at is, yeah, it would be cool, but whats the point if we cant study it.

Michael
 
Yeah, I agree, bring it here, but then what? We wont know anything about it unless an expert gets ahold of it, and we wont know its genetics or het. traits, or anything unless we breed it, but who would breed it?
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i would imagine the guy importing it would breed it. if you breed it to a normal and breed the offspring back to the originater of the morph you can find out if its recessive or dominant. if it looks like a patternless or blizzard than breed it to which ever one it looks like. if it produces more of the same than its genes can freshen that morphs gene pool. either way it is 100% beneficial to bring this animal into the pet industry. its either a new morph or a fresh source for an exsisting one. maybe this animal can proove that niether the patternless or the blizzard are a true leucistic. well just have to cross our fingers that...

A) it gets imported into the u.s.
B) the caretaker of this animal prooves out the morph
C) the morph successfully makes it way into the general public

hey while your or you friend is in india why dont you look around for an Anery or a T- albino. the leopard gecko world could truely benefit from either one of those too.
 
right

Right, but what I was getting at was if he doesn't have the resources, or the name, or knowledge etc, it will be hard to determine this. I guess I was trying to say is that if it doesn't end up in the hands of a reptuable leoaprd gecko person, then it would be hard to prove the advancements of that animal.

Like if it were a WC albino, shouldn't we let someone like Tremper -who is in the albino field- in on it, not so he gets the same, but so he can develop the animal and its offspring. I don't really know who's really into the blizzards to patternless', but whoever that person may be, I feel it would be most beneficial to have the animal in that person's care.

If/when we get a picture, I think the situations will change. But thats what I think of the idea thus far.
 
Like if it were a WC albino, shouldn't we let someone like Tremper -who is in the albino field- in on it, not so he gets the same, but so he can develop the animal and its offspring.
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if I had a WC albino strain i would delevop it on my own. as far as we know it could be an albino. maybe a t- albino. this guy is extremely lucky to have this animal and if he palns on selling it after he posts pictures i guarentee he'll sell it for alot of money to a reputable breeder who will than take the necessary steps to aclimate this animal into captivity.

looking foward to seeing what it looks like.
 
wouldbe nice to see if it is somthing new or somthing already beingproduced. either way would be good to have it in someones breeding group
 
if it came into the states and was legal and of legit origin i do not think the guy whom has it would have a problem finding an experienced buyer with availinle funds
since leos are so prolific. it it was a new strain or even an existing one the new blood or possible new morph , the offspring might very well command a pretty good penny and also might stimulate the leo market, which of course drops (on existing morphs) like a big heavy turd every year
 
OK THATS IT!

After reading all this, who wants to go over there and pick up a few more, and also Bin Laden while were at it! anyone?..anyone?
 
I can't just call him up or trust me I would. I will however be getting another call from him on Sunday hopefully so I can pass along any ideas to him.

Laying it all out on the table here:
He is a biology/life sciences teacher, but his area of expertise is not reptile related. He said this animal is almost patternless, white with normal colored eyes. That's what he is calling leucistic. It appears to be a half grown male, with a full tail and fairly healthy.
He contacted me thinking this animal was likely special in some way, but we are/were both unsure of leopard gecko genetics, so I said I'd ask here. This animal would be for sale as soon as it's quarentene period is over in Miami or LA. That is IF he can get it back into the country.
Any money he can get from this animal will help fund a new place to live, or a car, etc. as he's been a volunteer in India lately and has nothing that won't fit into his duffel bags. I sent him 200 in travellers checks today to buy a package of polaroid film and present the young man who captured this animal and his family a small gift of appreciation.

Now to hope he can get in home with him.
 
once you get clear pictures you might want to email some of the larger scale leo breeders.......

garrick de meyer
mark bell
ron tremper
gormet rodent
kelli hammack
jodi aherns
k and n
albey
possibly ben seigal or someone like that

other than that you might get some individual breeder or collectors whom might be interested
 
cost

Since part of your question was cost and it has gone unanswered, I will tackle it. If the animal is truely wild caught and is a patternless, I would say the value is higher than a captive bred one. The only way for it to be worth more is to breed it to produce fresh blood into the "system." Personally I would pay $150 for a wild caught patternless male and breed it to het patternless. If it a true wc leucistic, then I would pay up to $200 for the fresh blood factor.
Good Luck to you with this!
Gene Jenkins
Montezuma's Reptiles
 
i think it would be worth alot more than 150-200 even if it is a WC patternless or blizzard... much more and until it is a proven genetics..... if its a New morph it could be worth litterally thousands to some breeders but its hard to say what it is or isnt until seem and for that fact even bred and/or proven
 
values

If it is a new morph, then yes it may be worth more. However, there are no appearant problems with the genetics of the patternless breeders with the exception of a kink at the end of almost every single tail... which can easily be overcome through breeding to hets. I just don't see a WC blizzard producing much interest and interest is what makes value. Look what happened to the price of blizzards, one year $200 for hatchlings, the next year you're lucky to clear $80 for juvies.
 
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