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Leos and Temperament

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I just had a question for the leo breeders out there..
What do you all think about temperament being genetic? I mean, have you noticed this at all? I've certainly noticed different personalities in all my geckos, and temperament is genetic in other species of animals..I was just curious if you had noted anything that might indicate that.
 
Hm...this may sound a tad wierd but i have found blizzard leopard geckos to be more aggressive...The one i had wouldn't even let you touch it without it hissing and squealing and trying to bite...my friend also bought one from a different person and her blizzard was exactly the same...I don't know if anyone else with Blizzards have experienced this?
 
I highly doubt it is genetic,

I have seen very aggresive leo's tame down in a few weeks of daily handling

I think it is really the amount of time you spend handling them

If it is aggressive and you put it down when it starts to get agressive you are teaching it that it can get what it wants by beign aggressive
 
I don't suggest the amount of handling has nothing to do with temperament. However, *why* were those individuals aggressive to begin with? Was it lack of handling?
I have 3 juveniles. They get handled the same. One (an albino)was ALWAYS very quiet and willing to be picked up, and remains so. The other (patternless)is a little jumpy but gets better with handling. The final one (SHTCT) has always been quite, and remains, jumpy. All are unrelated.
People breed dogs for temperament. Also, having bred and owned horses for years, you can breed for temperament and you can often see that expressed the DAY these guys are born, quite literally. I realie these are a far cry from reptiles, but I think the premise remains the same:
"Training" certainly has an impact. But I tend to think most traits ARE genetic. They can be suppressed or fostered to varying degrees, but the ability to be friendly..or aggressive..seems at least in large part inherent.
 
I have 2 blizzard and 1 banana blizzard leos and none are very aggressive they so far the more active clutch genetics for me goes to my current patternless leos

I am personally thinking that this trait "aggressiveness" is Nurture not Nature
 
Kazoo said:
I don't suggest the amount of handling has nothing to do with temperament. However, *why* were those individuals aggressive to begin with? Was it lack of handling? "Training" certainly has an impact. But I tend to think most traits ARE genetic. They can be suppressed or fostered to varying degrees, but the ability to be friendly..or aggressive..seems at least in large part inherent.
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I happen to think it's very similiar to Heart disease or alcoholism in humans... You may be more likely for one than others because of genetics, but you can still change it with the proper environment.

Genetics will play a role in setting up which way temperment is likely to turn out, but with the proper environment and handling it can be swayed.
 
good question

As an overall generality, in my experience blizzards do tend to be more skiddish and patternless seem to be the most 'laid back'. This will always be dependent upon individual geckos and the amount of handling they receive, but I do have a very strong hunch that disposition could very well be inherent to a certain degree.
 
wierd my patternles run around like crazy, though the mom was the same way,

so I guess I may be starting to bite on the info of genetics if only a little.

I still say handling and enviroment plays a major role
 
just went to check the children

I made a mistake my patternless are very mild and calm its the trempers that are crazy rearanging things in there cage constantly wiggling and climbing etc
 
My 2 cents

I would very much agree with Marcia on her above statements. I personally have experienced this. Patternless do seem to be very docile in my opinion. I have seen this time and time again. Also I no longer own any blizzards, but I did notice that they were extremely high strung! Even my hets were wild things! Seen this over and over so I know alot of there is alot of truth to this. OH almost forgot! Bells seem to be the most docile of the albino strains, although they are by far the most sensitive to light. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Blazin
Also I no longer own any blizzards, but I did notice that they were extremely high strung! Even my hets were wild things!
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Hmmm... That is interesting! In March, I picked up a few new geckos. Of the three females one is wayyyy more skittish than the others, although she may be coming around just a little. She is a Tremper albino 66% chance het for blizzard! Now I'm totally curious, perhaps I will find a blizzard male and find out if she really is het for blizzard!! :)

Nancy
 
Golden Gate Geckos said:
As an overall generality, in my experience blizzards do tend to be more skiddish and patternless seem to be the most 'laid back'. This will always be dependent upon individual geckos and the amount of handling they receive, but I do have a very strong hunch that disposition could very well be inherent to a certain degree.
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I totally agree with you on this.i have several patternless and everyone of them is very docile and easy to handle.None of them are related.they were bought from different breeders and one of them from a petstore*ducks flying objects*
I have 2 albinos both trempers non related 1 is docile while the other that I had from a baby who was always handled and still is ...she is very hyper makes it very known she wants nothing to do with this handling thing.But i do it anyway...now here's a new twist for all of you to ponder.Everone started out in glass tanks I just recently switched to a small hand made rack type setup.I have found that since then My crazy albino has calmed down cinsiderably.Not nearly as jumpy...even when I hold her she allows it doesn't try to dive bomb off my hand anymore.I also noticed they are eating better.Nothing has changed but the type of enclosure.temps are the same food items are the same and supplementation is the same.So why the change in attitude...I think they are happier in a rack system.Less interruption in their lives.they don't see as much action....Just a thought.
Robin
 
I used to have a blizzard, he didn't like being touched at all. I don't think I've ever successfully hold him steady on my hand for over 10 secs. I also find that my tangs are more 'skiddish' than my albinos and high yellows.
 
I agree...my Blizzards and even the Blizzard hets I produced seems to be more afraid/ agressive (call it what you want). My Patternless are the most calm leos I own...and the Hets are very calm as well...so it seems to be genetic...
 
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