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    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

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    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

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Larry King Tonight

M. Jackson did the same thing

ok so it wasnt a croc but by holding his baby upside down over a balcony???? to me was WORSE then what steve did .Holding a crying , kicking screaming kid over a balconies edge could have been worse then what Steve did , someone could have stepped in IF he had tripped and dropped the baby , who was gonna catch micheals baby when it if it fell 5-10 stories ?we can speculate what MIGHT have happened till we are blue in the face ,,, the key here is IT didnt happenwould i have held my son at that age around a croc like that nope but i also wouldnt be in the pin to start with lol at this age
 
dare you

question intellect here, explain the common misconceptions the world has about the huge, insane volumes of car accidents occuring everyday verses the apparently unsurmountable infant deaths by crocks at amusment parks, i guess aaa needs to find a new venue, your more likely to get eaten by the coconut that falls on your head than get hit by a crock, no steve did up the anti a bit[alot] but again its his choice to make, his consequence to suffer, this whole opinion based im smarter than you cause i have a brilliant moral aptitude thing doesnt do anything for me , it simply shows me your above it all, have never done anything wrong position in life, if thats the case, it had better be just that as candid cameras tell all, and making i didnt inhale statements always end up forshadowing the evening news.

"If people can't see the difference between the minimal risk of driving in a car or climbing a tree"

i cant stop at this quote, theres no larger loss of life in this world than that of the first situation, seriously, more die in cars daily than do in most wars, usually in the vicinity of their homes, more people die in america from fire ant bites than all animals in the world combined,[anaflactic shock] you have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than getting hit by sharks or crocks, as a matter of fact irwins right about the meteor thing i believe you are more likely to be hit by space debree than a crock,

he was wrong, again as i said but its his choice to make, my opinions open to debate, unfortunately some peoples arent, because they are right ?
 
Damien, statistics about automobile related deaths when looked at in gross will, of course, be overwhelmingly larger...

But you need to look at these situations proportional to the number of times that risk needs to be taken before something negative can happen.

Meaning; the chances of any given individual dying in a car accident are astronomically small every time they get into their car. These odds can be changed by associated behaviors, so, as an example, someone who is driving drunk is more likely to be involved in a fatal accident than someone who is not.

The statistics for deaths related to encounters with wild and even captive crocodilians don't function as true indicators of the danger and risk inherent in the actions which Irwin chose to perform. This was a situation where the animal was enticed out, FED in a manner that it reccognizes as a pattern and the infant was held along for the ride.

If you really want to look at it and compare it to some other "everyday risks" that you and others have mentioned in your posts... I know offhand of two incidents where very very young children were placed into an enclosure with a crocodilian of decent size... The Haast incident (unfortunate) and this new Irwin incident (idiocy). Out of these two incidents, one child died, one did not... That's a 50% death rate. I don't think that every morning 50% of commuters die on the way to work. How many more incidents of this nature can you supply and evidence to change those statistics?

The bottom lines here are as follows...

The risk was not worth whatever reward Irwidiot thought he was getting.

The risk WAS present and was legitimate.

Irwidiot's comments about how it was impossible for him to trip or slip simply confirm that there was no thought given to the risk involved.

And the big one... this is important because the ignorant masses see this clown as being a representative of the herping community. I know I personally am not in any way, shape or form proud to have an imbecile like that involved in my hobby and my science.
 
ummm

Hey damien, try using some punctuation and capital letters. The english language was raped in your last post. Just a suggestion.

There are obviously two opposing view points here, but i fail to see the argument. Did he or did he not take an unreasonable risk with his newborn child? No matter how much he thought he was in control( and as someone already stated, and i am very much in agreement with, control of anything in nature is not possible), he still put the life of his child in danger. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That makes me question his place in the gene pool. His place in the world of science is already worthless. And somebody also said a few words about respect. THAT is what i am mad about. It doesn't seem that Steve has the proper respect for any of the animals he deals with. Any of the ones that have the ability to end a human life, that is. Go kiss some more taipans Steve.
Jesse Smith
 
THE CORRECT SPELLING

IS ANAPHLYACTIC(derived from ANAPHILAXIS)

And what you just said is totally incorrect. YOu need to check your references.
Jesse Smith
 
Re: THE CORRECT SPELLING

colubridman88 said:
IS ANAPHLYACTIC(derived from ANAPHILAXIS)

And what you just said is totally incorrect. YOu need to check your references.
Jesse Smith
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this is just plain petty...................




what time is the test........?





anyway...

like i said before, this is an example of people imposing their morality/thoughts/wishes on other people "he shouldn't do that cause i am smart and i wouldn't"
 
HEY DAMIEN

Hey damien your totally obsurd statement about human deaths by fire ants(NOT ALL RELATED TO ANAPHYLAXIS), is about to be thrown back in your face. According to the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology, only 89 deaths in America have ever been attributed to "solenopsis richteri". EVER. I bet you didn't even know that fire ants are not indigeneous to the US. THEY WERE IMPORTED. Dabioa Russelli(the russells viper) kills an estimated 1000 individuals in India alone, thats only half its range. So PLEASE keep your crackpot statistics to yourself.
Jesse Smith
 
unless one could take a proportion scale

in comparison, and contrast to how many times crocs, and infants come in contact , how many infants there are, how many crocs there are, and place that against how many cars there are, how many people there are, how often they are on the road etc, etc, etc, i am not even going to think about attempting to think about it, as that seems like a nightmare, and as i do believe i am basing my ideals of open dialog in regaurds to public info as to per the stats involved, i come to my base conclusions, as i do not work for the world traffic or crocadilian foundations i dont believe i could give a valid stat- nor could anyone else not in the institutions that survey these stats. i dont care if this so called representaion of herpers is what specific people want, i do care that he is giving lots of good info to lots of people in the masses that would have been without, maybe his policies will have to be ammended, but thats up to him his family, animal planet, his sponcers, sometimes he is very over the top, sometimes it does look like he pushes the animals to far.

about the punctuation-i will not, this isnt a spelling b,

about the anaphylactic - yes i misspelled it

about the stats?- talk to animal planet, as per last year the estimates were to surpass all other deaths by animals, [some special on deadly animals] although it may have been discovery

and as for auto deaths, i think in masses on a daily the only things that beat the daily count are hiroshima, and nagasaki

and before you talk about punctuation , it may be better for you to do so to yourself if you are so concerned with it as, the letter as in myself, and me, is always a capitol- the word [and] often requires a comma , [and] is also not used to begin sentances--made my point!!! stick to the topic at hand!!
 
Scott,buddy you need to become a member

TOXINOLOGY.COM(not Dr. Frys site).
Become a member scott. Best advice i can give ya. It is a huge database of endless info. There are two levels of access. Member and non-member. The membership fee is well worth it. But check out non-member access, still crap loads of info. Everything from Oxyuranus to blue ringed octopus to box jelly to Sydney funnelwebs to Phyllobates terriblis. Goes as far as analyzing venom to the molecules. Best site ever. Even has info on venomous plantlife.

Daimen,neither animal planet nor discovery would make such an obsurd claim. Had to be the work of an individual.

Jesse Smith
 
Actually

Look at websters.com it has been ok to start a sentence with and since 1997.
Jesse Smith
 
To figure out the actual risk, you would have to know how many croc pens Irwin went into everyday, how many days a week etc. etc. and by how many times he's been biten in that situation. While i have seen him get biten before, never in that situation. While there was definetly a risk, it was minimal.
 
i believe

it was a discovery special, i think it was "deadly bugs volume 2"about the growth of the infestation, and movements north, and up into california, and yes i do know they were imported, i also know what they are doing to try and irradicate them , which may just be as bad, i remember it being based in florida though , and having guidelines on the repiratory problems, and the pattern of growth and how dangerous it was, but i for the moment will stop this topic as it seems "we" have gotten off topic, i graduated college in the early nineties, i follow those rules i was taught in the english language when needed, "and" was not allowed, i will check that out for sure-
 
Re: ummm

colubridman88 said:
Hey damien, try using some punctuation and capital letters. The english language was raped in your last post. Just a suggestion.

There are obviously two opposing view points here, but i fail to see the argument. Did he or did he not take an unreasonable risk with his newborn child? No matter how much he thought he was in control( and as someone already stated, and i am very much in agreement with, control of anything in nature is not possible), he still put the life of his child in danger. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That makes me question his place in the gene pool. His place in the world of science is already worthless. And somebody also said a few words about respect. THAT is what i am mad about. It doesn't seem that Steve has the proper respect for any of the animals he deals with. Any of the ones that have the ability to end a human life, that is. Go kiss some more taipans Steve.
Jesse Smith
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I agree with you Al. Very petty. Do you feel better about yourself jesse steven smith. You fail to see the argument because you have blinders on. Nobody can say there was no risk, there was, but it was minimal. His job and life is about risk and his kids will probably inherit his job.
 
As a parent myself

I have to say that if I wanted someone elses opinion or critisizm about what I was doing with my child I would ask for it.

Now with that said, would I have done what Steve did? No, but that is me. Could something bad have happened? Yes, but it didn't.

I think everyone here knows that there is a certain amount of risk in everything we do. Some people are more willing to take risks than others. Every parent raises their child different and that is their perogative.

Yes, there are certain instances where outside intervention is necessary for example, abuse. I don't think this qualifies.
 
No prob scott

No problem. Good to see you are a member. I cant remember where I found it but im 99% it was on tox.com. If you don't find it check New Delhi university. Not sure of the exact address, but just punch it in a search engine. Tox.com is where I get alot of my info. Great site.

Hey Kevin, thanks for your response. My life will continue even though you think I'm pety. It wasn't meant to be confrontational, just a correction. Thanks for "putting me in my place". Do you feel better about yourself, Kevin.
Jesse Smith
 
Spelling and grammar lessons aside, this thread is going no where, it seems. The fact is that some of us are simply never going to agree.

I do have a question for the parents that have suggested that they see nothing wrong in what Steve did:

"Would you let Irwin take your one month old infant into that pen?"

See, to my mind, if you say "No, I wouldn't," you have to admit that it is only because it is too unsafe for you to justify. If not, why not let him take the kid in?

But if you do decline to let him hold your child above that croc, you must admit that his child has every right to be as safe as does yours.

If that is so, you have to also admit that Irwin does not have the right to disregard his son's right to safety.

If you reach that point, well ... you know where it all leads.



Either way, I'm done with this thread.

:2hammers:
 
I find it funny how when some people have a viewpoint they try to use words to trick people into seeing what they want. It just seems like the big propoganda machine. Instead of talking honestly about this and debating what happened, I could swear I read the words "dangling" and "dragged" in reference to the 1 month old. That is just plain deceptive to me. Maybe someone needs to post a link to the complete video because I would like to see that information verified.
Tom Baker
 
i have to move off topic again for a second

http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/ants/Solenopsis/Solinv.html

Fire ants are from South America. They entered the U.S. through Mobile,
Alabama, probably in soil used for ships' ballast. They were accidentally
introduced around the 1930s and have been spreading ever since.

"Two percent of the population is susceptible to allergic reactions, or
"anaphylaxis," which can be lethal. People with diabetes and others with
circulatory disorders, including varicose veins and phlebitis, are
especially at risk."- university of nevada cooperative extension

"· There are two species of imported fire ants (IFA): the black ant,
Solenopsis richteri, and the red ant, Solenopsis invicta. Both are native to
South America (Uruguay and Brazil respectively). They are believed to have
been brought into the U.S. through Mobile, Alabama between 1918 and 1935 in
infested nursery stock or in soil used for ship ballast."-medical university
of south carolina

" Exaggerated Local Response

15% of victims develop an exaggerated local response which is characterized
by allergic swelling at the site of the IFA sting. It can be caused by a
single sting. Swelling may last for several days and may be accompanied by
itching, redness, and pain. Since the swelling is due to allergy, not
infection, antibiotics are not necessary. Patients in this category
characteristically do not progress to the more severe allergic response -
anaphylactic shock.

· Ice or cold compresses, rest, and elevation of the extremity to reduce
swelling and pain.
· An over-the-counter topical antihistamine lotion may help relieve the
itching, burning, and swelling.
· If symptoms persist, seek medical attention. Your physician may decide to
prescribe an antihistamine and a trial of oral steroids.

Anaphylactic Shock

1-2% of victims develop generalized anaphylactic shock which is a life
threatening, allergic reaction. This may occur within minutes of the sting
and can occur the first or second time a person is stung. Adults are more
susceptible than most children. Symptoms include swelling of the throat,
face, eyes, unconsciousness, and difficulty in breathing.

· Anaphylaxis is a medical emergency requiring immediate medical attention.
Telephone for an ambulance or transport the victim to the nearest medical
care facility.
· Anyone who develops hives or swelling away from the site of the sting is
at risk and should report immediately to a physician!
" - medical university of south carolina

"•In S.Carolina, during a one yr period, there were an estimated 660,000
sting cases. 33,000 of these required medical attention. About 170
individuals were treated for sting induced anaphylactic shock. And, two
RIFA related deaths were reported"- ellen van gelder/usgs

http://www.safe2use.com/pests/fireants/fireants4.htm

http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/ants

i may be wrong on this topic, it looks like i am as all of this related info and theres a whole lot i didnt research , i just picked some, i swear i saw on an animal show on poisonous critters - the fire ant was responsible for more deaths, whatever, statistically they do pack a bigger punch, unless maybe one was to be swarmed by millions of crocs, maybe this was a future projection or something i overlooked , i am pretty attentive and do listen , in one year in one state thats alot of people, so i could simply retort and restate, you are more likely to get swarmed and injured badly by fire ants than get hit by a croc?

as far as "and"

i guess you read into it what you will

"Usage Note: It is frequently asserted that sentences beginning with and or but express “incomplete thoughts” and are therefore incorrect. But this rule has been ridiculed by grammarians for decades, and the stricture has been ignored by writers from Shakespeare to Joyce Carol Oates. When asked whether they paid attention to the rule in their own writing, 24 percent of the Usage Panel answered “always or usually,” 36 percent answered “sometimes,” and 40 percent answered “rarely or never.” See Usage Note at both. See Usage Note at but. See Usage Note at with."- dictionary.com

"and 40 percent answered “rarely or never.” majority rule?oh sorry as of 97' those no longer apply.

i will continue to search for the ant story but wont post anymore useless stuff about them until i find it, now i know that i am more likely to be eaten by a croc, than get in a wreck, speaking statistically of coarse, i may never go outside-lol
 
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