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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Bad Guy Kyle Hiner--sold me a disfigured Leachie

sent pics...

Here are all 3 of the original pics Kyle sent me...I should've known something was not right from the shed adhesions on the toes...but that just made me want to "rescue" the little one all the more...

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If I was smart, I'd have asked for pics from other angles...hindsight is 20/20 :eek:
 
It looks to me to be the same animal. There is a distinct red mark on the right shoulder. Now, how old was the picture when it was taken is the question. The right foot is still smaller, but she is fatter in the pic he sent you.
As for being sent to you in the condition you received it, something was obviously wrong.

Kyle, I suggest that when you send out animals, take pics with one of the nails painted so that you know it's the same animal. Call the buyer right away so that both of you have reached an agreement wiyhout having to come to this point.
 
honesty

I am a guy who has bought many leachies; and paid top dollar for them as "pure" locality animals, but when I personally re-traced their backgrounds, I found out that some of them were of unknown origins, or from pairs that were imported before Frank and Philipe classified the different island types. So instead of selling their offspring as "pure" locality, just because that's what I bought them as, I did my research, and so I call them/sell them as "unknown" henkeli. So as not to further confuse the captive gene pools. I do my best to tell the whole story, to the best of my knowledge. I have lost many sales because I admit I don't exactly know the history of some of my geckos, and now I'm being accused of fraud?!? This hobby has way too many shady people in it...I would never lie to make a sale or a buck, no matter how badly I may need the money...these are living creatures! either do your homework and treat them with love and respect they deserve, or leave them to those who do/will. I'm still sick to my stomach about this whole thing :censored:

Brian Grussing
 
Did the Lawson & Clark School For Flippers open for business when I wasn't looking? These posts could be verbatim from either of those two, answering yet another "illegitimate complaint".

Brian, I think people can see what's up here. Trust me, no one's seriously considering that you swapped the geckos or will return him a different one. There is a LOT to be said about someone by how they comport themselves in a heated discussion, and the person that doesn't feel the need to resort to personal insults, name-calling, and bullying is usually in the right.

Kyle's posts and attitude are not the posts and attitude of someone who is being open, honest, and forthright.
 
I have been reading through this whole thread, and all I can say is, "Wow, I will NOT be doing business with Kyle, ever." Not because he sent out an animal that had problems, or even because he flips animals, but because he handled this so poorly. In looking at the photos pulled from Kyle's photobucket, it looks like the leachie pictured has its head kinked in an odd position. I don't own any leachies, but I do own other geckos and I've never seen one rest in such a position. However, when dinodaddy just posted the pictures Kyle originally sent him, it looks to me like the small, deformed foot is clearly visible in those pictures as well. Maybe the angle made the OP not notice it, but it really looks like a tiny foot with all kinds of stuck shed in that picture. That's the same animal, and it was in bad condition long before the OP got it, but dinodaddy, why didn't you notice the tiny foot in the pics you just posted that Kyle sent you before you bought it?
Kyle, just send him a partial refund and try to regain some respect.
 
Will0W783 said:
I have been reading through this whole thread, and all I can say is, "Wow, I will NOT be doing business with Kyle, ever." Not because he sent out an animal that had problems, or even because he flips animals, but because he handled this so poorly.
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I completely agree. I was thinking "this isn't so bad." until Kyle posted his first reply. I would NEVER do business with somebody so rude and immature. This is a great smiley for you, Kyle because it's exactly what you did. :shootfoot
 
tiny foot

I did notice the foot, but i assumed it was just tucked under her side like leachies do when they're scared and trying to hug the tree to avoid predators. And the stuck shed; is so big, it looked like a rip in the jeans in the 3rd pic?

I completely agree. I was thinking "this isn't so bad." until Kyle posted his first reply.
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this isn't so bad??? you can't sell deformed animals, let alone for what the perfectly healthy ones are worth, and then deny the issues and accuse the buyer, (your "client") that they are "trying to pull a fast one on you". Leachianus are not cheap, this one cost me half my months salary, and I was happy to pay that for a healthy animal from this awesome Pine line, but that's not at all what I got. This female is permanently disfigured, and should never be bred, and I am a breeder. I have been mislead and flat out lied to. Maybe Kyle really does know what he's doing with leopard geckos and/or other species, but leachies are not leopard geckos...their husbandry requirements, dietary requirements, growth rate and extremely reclusive behavior make them a completely different animal...with completely different needs. To be clear, it was my responsibility to demand more info/pics, so the only victim here is the gecko. I just wanted the community to know how Kyle handled the situation. After this experience--I will only buy animals from respectable people who breed leachies--people whom I personally know and trust. All I wanted was half the money back (minus shipping of course)...if that isn't a generous compromise then I don't know what to say...

Brian Grussing
 
dinodaddy said:
I did notice the foot, but i assumed it was just tucked under her side like leachies do when they're scared and trying to hug the tree to avoid predators. And the stuck shed; is so big, it looked like a rip in the jeans in the 3rd pic?



this isn't so bad??? you can't sell deformed animals, let alone for what the perfectly healthy ones are worth, and then deny the issues and accuse the buyer, (your "client") that they are "trying to pull a fast one on you". Leachianus are not cheap, this one cost me half my months salary, and I was happy to pay that for a healthy animal from this awesome Pine line, but that's not at all what I got. This female is permanently disfigured, and should never be bred, and I am a breeder. I have been mislead and flat out lied to. Maybe Kyle really does know what he's doing with leopard geckos and/or other species, but leachies are not leopard geckos...their husbandry requirements, dietary requirements, growth rate and extremely reclusive behavior make them a completely different animal...with completely different needs. To be clear, it was my responsibility to demand more info/pics, so the only victim here is the gecko. I just wanted the community to know how Kyle handled the situation. After this experience--I will only buy animals from respectable people who breed leachies--people whom I personally know and trust. All I wanted was half the money back (minus shipping of course)...if that isn't a generous compromise then I don't know what to say...

Brian Grussing
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Am I missing something? If this animal is still young and receives the proper nutritional requirements then why is it unbreedable?
 
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Do you really think it's wise to breed an animal that has skeletal deformities?? because for me, I can't help but expect her to more susceptile to a 'calcium crash'...it takes alot of calcium to shell 2 eggs...and a deformed female, even properly taken care of is still deformed. Do you expect the deformities to dissipate or dissapear just because she's now receiving proper nutrition and thermal and humidity gradients? She is only 20g, but she will still be deformed when/if she ever reaches well over 200g...like a healthy gecko from this line would.

Brian Grussing
 
I think you are confused about the differences between genetic and nutritional deformities, but that is ok......it does not matter to me whether you choose to add the stress of breeding 2 years down the road or not so not need to respond back with some witty retort....hopefully you get a refund for that misrepresented purchase.
 
dinodaddy said:
I should've known something was not right from the shed adhesions on the toes...but that just made me want to "rescue" the little one all the more...
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Ok I may be misreading this but why on earth would you still pay top dollar for a gecko you felt like you were "rescuing" but then complain about it's less than perfect condition when you received it? :shrug01:

I am not saying there was no wrong doing by the seller, but that one line where you say you wanted to "rescue" the little one more because you saw stuck shed prior to buying makes me wonder about your motives in general.
 
I'm also just a bit confused after seeing the pics that the seller sent you. I noticed immediately the same deformity in those pics as the pics that the buyer posted. And not just because I knew what to look for. I could tell that the leg and foot were not right in the seller's pics. Buying a reptile that just has some pieces of stuck shed on it,to me at least, doesn't spell "rescue". I've taken in true rescues. Snakes that had been living in their own feces and sheds for months,snakes totally covered in mites,dragons with severe MBD and missing whole limbs. And I didn't pay a dime to do it,either. Those are rescue reptiles. Don't get me wrong! If you didn't notice the deformity and the seller was aware of said deformity(which it's obvious from all pics that they had to have been aware) then I would also want my money back and be able to send the animal back. But if you're now saying you noticed things wrong with it before purchase and wanted to "rescue" it,then I'm kindda iffy.
 
MinLynn said:
I'm also just a bit confused after seeing the pics that the seller sent you. I noticed immediately the same deformity in those pics as the pics that the buyer posted. And not just because I knew what to look for. I could tell that the leg and foot were not right in the seller's pics. Buying a reptile that just has some pieces of stuck shed on it,to me at least, doesn't spell "rescue". I've taken in true rescues. Snakes that had been living in their own feces and sheds for months,snakes totally covered in mites,dragons with severe MBD and missing whole limbs. And I didn't pay a dime to do it,either. Those are rescue reptiles. Don't get me wrong! If you didn't notice the deformity and the seller was aware of said deformity(which it's obvious from all pics that they had to have been aware) then I would also want my money back and be able to send the animal back. But if you're now saying you noticed things wrong with it before purchase and wanted to "rescue" it,then I'm kindda iffy.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the OP said, "I should've known something was not right from the shed adhesions on the toes...but that just made me want to "rescue" the little one all the more..."

This isn't the same as saying (as you implied) "I noticed THINGS wrong with it before purchase and wanted to "rescue" it."

The fact of the matter is we sometimes see an animal that strikes a chord in us; I have. For example: I once found a beautiful, awesome, crazy-looking Pastel female. I paid over a grand for her and considered her worth it. She died less than a year later from septic infections possibly gotten from the bites/burns that she had suffered before I got her. In hindsight, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN SOMETHING COULD HAVE BEEN WRONG from those bites... but she was beautiful, and she looked healthy and I knew she would be fine with me......

This is the way I read the OP's post and the tone that I read in it.

Hope this makes sense.:shrug01:
 
Oh,it totally makes sense! That's why I said,if she hadn't noticed the deformity in the pics and obviously the person selling the leachie would HAVE to have known there was a deformity,then by all rights she deserves a refund. I just noticed the deformity in the seller's pics as well as the OP's pics. Of course,that doesn't mean the OP noticed them at all and only saw the shed pieces. And by saying "things" I surely didn't mean to make it sound as if she also noticed the deformity in the seller's pic. I don't know. I guess with me,if I have a gut feeling about something,I tend to go with my gut when it comes to dropping a large amount of money,and I probably would've asked for some better,clearer pics. But that's just me. And I'm not suggesting that everybody should do that.
 
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I think you are confused about the differences between genetic and nutritional deformities, but that is ok......it does not matter to me whether you choose to add the stress of breeding 2 years down the road or not so not need to respond back with some witty retort....hopefully you get a refund for that misrepresented purchase.
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certain genetics/lines have a proclivity for nutritional issues--i.e.-Troeger Koghis underbite. But this Pine line produces healthy fully formed babies. I did notice the toe adhesions--from the sellers pics; the leg looked relatively normal, I didn't think it was anything wrong until I received and opened the box and saw how twisted she was. I was expecting a fully formed 'pink' pine leachie who just needed a little more humidity. I wouldn't send her back to him if he refunded me double, I just wanted him to meet me halfway, considering the undisclosed (and then denied) issues. I am not out for blood here...since it was the only leachie he had ever kept; maybe he thought thats how leachies are supposed to look, but if the shoe were on the other foot, I would've immediately given a full refund and apology, without question. We are humans and we all make mistakes, but to deny, accuse and belittle is no way to deal with an unhappy customer. I'm pretty sure I won't ever see a penny back from Kyle--my "refund" is karmic: it's in all the beautiful, happy and healthy animals I am lucky enough to have in my life.

Brian Grussing
(male) :)
 
I'm SO sorry for saying she! I knew you're a male but for some reason kept typing "she"! That's what staying up 23 hours straight will get you!
 
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no worries, it is rather confusing, since both the gecko and the person who produced it are female, but Kyle and I (OP) are both male. :)
 
Sorry for juming in on an old thread, but i came across it through an other board.

First of, the deformities in the sellers pics arent that obvious, it could be that the toes of the right foot were just bend under. Specially since they are blurry and from an difficult angle i would have also thought that it is fine besides the stuck shed. But i guess i would have asked for better pics before sending money. If those pics on the jeans are from the seller, then its obvious now that the animal wanst healthy when he sold it, and he should have noticed, if he checked the animal before shipping like he said.

2ndly, i dont know how it is in the USA but in Europe 2.0 blub means, it is just daylight color, no UVA or UVB, so when caring for an animal that seems to have had a severe case of MBD, you should use UV light and therefore use an 5.0 bulb. Additionally to proper supplementation.

3rdly, as the buyer intends to i think it is the right thing to not breed such an animal anymore, because complications could show up. Like having MBD again (because of egg production), or she may get eggbound.

greets

Ingo
 
Ingo,
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Sorry that you had issues with Kyle. I live in Winter Haven and got a tegu from him about a month ago. He was a great guy and his animals were very well taken care of. I cant vouch for him on geckos, but my dealings with him were amazing and I like him as a person... Sorry
 
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