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So I have been out of the Hobby for a few years and I know techniques for keeping species will change . That being said, I'm curious about some advice given by my LPS on keeping my baby pacman.

I was told to keep it on water only and change the water every other day or if soiled. The rationale was that it would make the frog more visible and active. I was assured that most breeders have gone to water only.
It was also stated that this was a way to exercise the frogs and help prevent fatty liver and mbd.

My husband and re-researched care and could find nothing to support this besides a few asian videos of frogs being kept together in small critter keeper totes with water and absorbent pads as substrate.

We went with traditional coco fiber, shallow water dish and pothos for shelter. Is that right?

Any thoughts? Insights?opinions?
 
I personally have only kept them the way you are currently keeping yours, but I'm not suggesting that keeping them in shallow water is incorrect. I have, however, found that pixie frogs, especially older specimens, do better in a tub of shallow water than in a terrestrial habitat. This probably better mimics their native habitat of watering holes.
 
elena said:
I personally have only kept them the way you are currently keeping yours, but I'm not suggesting that keeping them in shallow water is incorrect. I have, however, found that pixie frogs, especially older specimens, do better in a tub of shallow water than in a terrestrial habitat. This probably better mimics their native habitat of watering holes.
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Ahhh. I see pixies kept the exact same way as the pacmans. So it may be valid.... I have a very good relationship with my LPS so I tend to believe them but when in doubt, check it out... And I thank you for contributing!
 
Well, those look like half-grown captive specimens to me, so this method of raising them would seem to work. I think you would have to watch the cleaning very carefully to avoid toxic level of waste from accumulating. Very nice specimens!
 
elena said:
Very nice specimens!
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Beautiful aren't they!

I agree about sanitation but that's probably the reason for regular water changes. I'd like to modify this and also use the storage bins from this video for adults and grow out.

 
I have never raised Pyxicephalus adspersus like you and Elena described. I have only used a paludarium. The same goes for the genus Ceratophrys. I have raised both genus sucessfully with a coconut fiber substrate for the land and water feature, with small submersible filter.

In the past, I kept them the way, that, the OP has/is doing. I NEVER had any problems.
 
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I have never raised Pyxicephalus adspersus like you and Elena described. I have only used a paludarium. The same goes for the genus Ceratophrys. I have raised both genus sucessfully with a coconut fiber substrate for the land and water feature, with small submersible filter.

In the past, I kept them the way, that, the OP has/is doing. I NEVER had any problems.
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This is why I like the second video. Adults/Breeders would be more long term residents and should have at least their basic instinctual needs met, soaking and burrowing can be accomplished in the sterilite containers with coco fiber and water dishes.

Good to know about that the OP works I'd like to keep holdbacks and baby/juveniles that way temporarily.
I saw another post on keeping them in the sterilite drawers but separating them with pvc rings around each one as a way to house very small ones. I think it will work.
 
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This is the set up I have now in what I hope will be the chameleon room later. I plan to build a large self system to keep tadpoles and froglets in small plastic tubs much like DIY snake racks.

Thoughts?
 
HiddenHerps said:
This is why I like the second video. Adults/Breeders would be more long term residents and should have at least their basic instinctual needs met, soaking and burrowing can be accomplished in the sterilite containers with coco fiber and water dishes.
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I completely agree with you.

HiddenHerps said:
Good to know about that the OP works I'd like to keep holdbacks and baby/juveniles that way temporarily.
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I thought you are the OP (original poster) of the forum. I told you, I get confused easily :(. I do think the Youtube examples are acceptable for froglets and or juvenile frogs.

HiddenHerps said:
I saw another post on keeping them in the sterilite drawers but separating them with pvc rings around each one as a way to house very small ones.
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I know this is NOT how you mean it. But, all I can imagine is a PVC ring around each froglet and or juvenile frog. Which, we both know is how you mean it. So, would you mind rephrasing it for me? Thanks and sorry being slow and dense.

HiddenHerps said:
I think it will work.
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I think the picture on post 09-06-2018 @/at 12:28 PM, will work out just fine.
 
Dyscophus antongilii said:
I thought you are the OP (original poster) of the forum. I told you, I get confused easily :(. I do think the Youtube examples are acceptable for froglets and or juvenile frogs.
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Lol I'm the one that got confused. I am the OP of this thread...but I thought you were referring to the first video post...cause I'm goofy like that! lmao

Dyscophus antongilii said:
I know this is NOT how you mean it. But, all I can imagine is a PVC ring around each froglet and or juvenile frog. Which, we both know is how you mean it. So, would you mind rephrasing it for me? Thanks and sorry being slow and dense.
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It was described just like that to me. It's supposed to be the new way instead of keeping them in deli cups they're put into the same drawer system but with 4" and 6" pvc rings around them so they can't eat each other. I'm still trying to figure out how that works and if it's truly as humane as they say it is. Still on the fence but it seems like a better alternative to deli cups.
Dyscophus antongilii said:
I think the picture on post 09-06-2018 @/at 12:28 PM, will work out just fine.
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Thanks! I drilled vent holes in all of them this weekend next I'm gonna sand down the holes, clean the bins and put in substrate!
 
HiddenHerps said:
Lol I'm the one that got confused.
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I am normally the one who is confused, trust me.

HiddenHerps said:
I am the OP of this thread...
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Yay, I have to be right occasionally. Or, I would develop a complex :D.

HiddenHerps said:
but I thought you were referring to the first video post....
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Given my inappropriate grammar, spelling, and syntax, I am sure that I gave you that impression.

HiddenHerps said:
because I'm goofy like that! lmao.
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Me too, so, no worries!! :iagree: and :exactly:!

HiddenHerps said:
It was described just like that to me.
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I see. Very very interesting, in my humble opinion.

HiddenHerps said:
It's supposed to be the new way instead of keeping them in deli cups they're put into the same drawer system but with 4" and 6" pvc rings around them so they can't eat each other.
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I just can't imagine it. But, that is just me.

HiddenHerps said:
I'm still trying to figure out how that works and if it's truly as humane as they say it is. Still on the fence but it seems like a better alternative to deli cups.
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I agree. If you find any videos/Youtube clips, please, feel free to share. Since, I am very intrigued, to say the least.

HiddenHerps said:
Thanks! I drilled vent holes in all of them this weekend next I'm gonna sand down the holes, clean the bins and put in substrate!
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You are very welcome. I can't wait to see the finished product with and without occupants.
 
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