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This has been an ordeal many months going now and I have been a passive little lamb about it thinking being a nice person would get things fixed, but communications have been dropped for months now. The animal in question this post is about is now deceased. From what I understand he seems to be a well enough liked guy and so this may come as a surprise. I have emails on record that I can provide, however I am not sure if it is ok to do so, so until given an a-ok I shall refrain from posting them.

Many months ago before the summer (I forget if it was april or may) James put up 2 separate clutches of Red Blood Pythons as available on his website. Both were sired by the same father, a snake who is now dead. One female was a large red that was not the color I was looking for... the other mother, from which pairing only 2 snakes survived, was exactly the color I was looking for. I emailed him and we had several friendly exchanges, and arranged a payment plan for the only female of the 2 snake clutch.

Things got a little hectic. My payment plan was not going as, well, planned. I was very suddenly jostling between homes, internet availability and jobs. I did keep in contact with him and the snake was paid in full, just not in the original time frame. He was very friendly and understanding, and did not complain, working with me on it. During this time he asked me if I wanted a brother for less then the listing price. I thought it was the only other snake in the clutch who had been marked as sold, and immediately freaked out and said yes, yes I'll take him. However he apologized telling me he was referring to males from the other clutch, and I said never mind, I'm not interested in those ones. This leads me to believe he knew he made a mistake in snakes before the last payment was even sent.

The time finally came, I was settled in to my new address. He called me realizing I had never given him a new address and so I gave it to him. The next day the snake arrived. After waiting months to get her I tore in to the package.

What I found inside was the wrong snake. She was also very skinny. He told me she had gone in to shed, but she never did shed at all. She was just a skinny little brown snake that was 100% not the one I ordered. Worried that the addresses were mixed on the boxes, I contacted him and he got back to me via phone. He said he would search for the right snake and that it was his fault, and if he couldn't find her, he would make it up to me somehow. Sending her back for a refund, a free borneo stp baby, just something. He apologized profusely and I told him time and time again it was alright since he was working to make it right.

A couple weeks passed and he told me he could not find the female. He offered me a couple options to make up for it, one of which was offering me a surplus red. I asked to see pictures. All contact ceased to exist. I tried contacting him again and no answer.

Then, on Kingsnake, I found the correct female for sale along with her brother. I immediately emailed James and the seller, to tell James I had found her, and to see if the seller would work something out with the two of us. The seller replied shortly with a sorry for his mistake, they're for sale as a pair only. James still did not answer me back.

The snake, who I named Noodle in the meantime because she was so very skinny (and it was definitely just her, looking at the pictures of the snake I SHOULD have received was like a toothpick by a garden hose) was not eating. I could not get her to eat at all. I went to check on her this morning, mouse in hand, telling myself she either takes it this time or gets assist fed, and I found her belly up dead.

I paid for one snake and in its place received an entirely different one that starved itself to death. He has refused to give me any form of contact since. I'm out $350 and I've been 100% had. He had to have sold the female I purchased with her brother as a pair knowingly. Instead of stopping this madness and telling me he no longer had the snake on hand, since he obviously knew, he figured he'd send me his last crappy feeding female to get it off his hands and keep my money. If it was a problem with my payment plan, he should have taken the deposit money and then given the rest back. That's what deposits are for, protecting the seller.

Sending me the wrong snake, one that was sickly and is now dead, and then dropping contact when he finally has to make due for his mistake is in no way a justifiable action.
 
Razz_x_Putin_02.jpg

The snake I paid for, picture from his website

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The snake I received (I think taken a couple days after I received her, the straight out of the box ones were too blurry to tell)

Razz_x_Cake_04.JPG

Picture of the same snake from his website


Proof that she's dead + better view of the rest of her...
 
Also having an issue finding the edit post button, but my full name is Brittany Love. Brittany Lynne Love if we need to get that full. Can't believe I forgot that.
 
I've been told it's alright to post emails, so here goes.

Emails from immediately after receiving the snake and onwards to drop of contact:

From: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Wrong Snake

Just in case my voicemail doesn't get through... I'm 100% sure you sent
me the wrong snake. I received this one:
http://www.1060exotics.com/attachments/Image/Razz_x_Cake_04.JPG When I
should have gotten this one:
http://www.1060exotics.com/attachments/Image/Razz_x_Putin_02.JPG Don't
get me wrong, I like the lil worm and all, but she's just not the one I
was after...

I'm assuming there were 2 packages and you wrote my address on the
wrong one? Which means my snake is probably with whoever ordered this
striped gal here...

I'm not sure what exactly the course of action is?! I'm not all that
sure how to ship myself, just receive! I'll keep this little gal safe
until we figure out what to do..


From: James McGhee <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 1:46 am
Subject: RE: Wrong Snake

(He called me on the phone between these emails. All that was said was he would try to find the right female and we did discuss a male he had for sale but that is not really relevant, he was just telling me how he won't breed.)

Hey Brittany-
I just wanted to touch base with you. I haven't had any luck yet, but
I am
still waiting to hear back from a couple of people. I'll let you know
as soon
as I do. Again, i'm so sorry, and more than a little bit embarrassed
that this
happened. I'll talk to you soon, and we'll fix it one way or the
other. Thanks
so much for your understanding.


From: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Wrong Snake

Any news from the front...?


Nothing yet, but I'm still trying to get ahold of two guys. I will let you know
as soon as I do. Like I said too, if for some reason I can't I'll make it right
one way or another. Sorry again.


-----Original Message-----
From: James McGhee <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: Wrong Snake

Hey Brittany-
Well, try as I may, I haven't been able to track her down. There's two people that bought reds from me this year that I just can not get ahold of. One of them I never had an email address for, and I'm not even certain I'm calling the right number (there's a pre-fab recording every time I call). Anyhow, I'm willing to do whatever you think is fair to make it right; you're welcome to a boyfriend for the girl you have (I have two to choose from) if you'd like, I also have a number of borneos available, and a couple of adults. Let me know what you think. Again, I can't say enough how sorry I am about this... it absolutely kills me that I made such an obvious mistake. Thanks again for your understanding.

To which I replied:
Oh! So that missed call probably was from you earlier. Sorry about that, I was at work at the time... Aw hell. Someone must have gotten her and really liked how she was turning out. Way not to speak up guys! I probably wouldn't have either though, I bet she'll turn out awesome wherever she is. Watch, one of us will recognize her in a kingsnake ad in a few years or something and WTF.

I don't want to get another snake from that clutch, I'm trying to avoid getting bloods from the same clutch. I don't have much interest in borneos, either. I have been looking for adults, or older animals, just so long as they're handleable.. I feel a little rude saying it but I'd be interested in seeing what you've got...

Thank you for trying to find her! You could have been a dick about it and just gone WHOOPS sorry talk to you later, and I appreciate you trying to track her down for me and making things right.

After that there was no reply from him.

On November 7th, I sent him another email after finding the right snake:
I was looking at ads on kingsnake and sure enough she was for sale! They said the pythons were produced by you so I checked the link for photos of the female.. that's definetly her, I scrutinized the patterns for a looong time just to be sure and not get my hopes up!

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2765535940103302430nKrUPQ
That is the picture of her he posted, that is definetly her! I spent months looking at the photo you had on your website of the one I ordered... I think he's selling her brother with her. I'm going to contact him and tell him what happened, but I would love it if you did too.. I really hope he's willing to make a trade or something somehow, I want her more than this striped girl definetly!

The kingsnake ad:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=734196

Again, no response.

Earlier exchanges. Looks like my timeframe was wrong in my first post, he offered me the second snake right after I finished paying her off, not right bewfore, whoops! Anyway, this is what leads me to beleive he knew he was sending the wrong snake long before she was shipped:

I really wanted to go to Tinley, but I have no transport. Or money to spend when I get there, really. I would be SO tempted to put myself in a mass of debt I don't think I can let myself go, I'm a very impulsive window shopper :( I'm afraid I'll have to say no to the second male. I'm a bit interested but it was the first mother I really liked, and this morning I found one of my ball pythons that had managed to escape has a respiratory infection, so I have to tend to that emergency vet bill before I go buying other snakes.. especially since this particular ball was my very first snake, she comes before all else.

It's starting to get cold here. I think it would be best to do shipping as quickly as possible. I'm sorry I can't take a male, but I'll definetly be watching for future clutches or may come back for him later.

-----Original Message-----
From: James McGhee <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 12:01 am
Subject: Re: Sent compound final payment!

Pretty sneaky huh lol! I mis spoke though, he is from a different clutch. I forgot you got the only female from that one small clutch. He has the same father but different mother (I actually like his mother better than the mom of the female you're getting). If that's still OK with you, it works for me. I can wait a bit too, it's no trouble. Truthfully, I'm so swamped with getting rea
dy for Tinley, it would be nice not to have to ship anything this week. BTW- you going to make it to Tinley?

Quoting [email protected]:

> $200 shipped? From that clutch?! I don't think I can say no! It was my
> fault that I had to wait so long though, but now that I'm settled in
> paying shouldn't be a problem. I am definetly interested. Good sale
> there, getting me to send you $200 more then I originally intended!
> Because it is a good deal eh wot and I love the look of those parents.
>
> He is still a calm blood, right? I only saw two from that clutch for
> sale on your page. I thought they were both gone, so I'm curious as to
> who he is.
>
> Not that I have a spare $200 on hand but I'll definetly get it. I can
> understand if you would like me to send it all at once instead of in
> spaced incriments. It will take me a mo' to get it, but get it I shall.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James McGhee <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Sent compound final payment!
>
> Hey Brittany-
> I am soooooo sorry... I didn't see yoor email or payment until today!
> I can send her out to you on Tuesday for Wednesday delivery if that
> works for you. Or, I had something else20to run by you... I only have
> one male left from that clutch, and I need to free up some baby rack
> space. He's priced at $275, but if you have any interest in him I'll
> send him to you for $200 shipped since you've had to wait forever for
> your girl. Let me know what you think, and thanks again!
>
> Quoting [email protected]:
>
>> I send the last payment for ID # 09111402. I'm sorry that took so god
>> damn long. If I was you, I would have been throwing a right fit. I
> have
>> to say I admire your patience. I'm sorry it took so long for me to
> send
>> this off, so much happened, I switched between jobs, moved to a few
>> different houses, went through periods without internet, and pretty
>> much had a hell of a time getting around to paying you the money I
>> fricken' owed you, obviously.
>>
>> My address has since changed so I will have to give you a new one
>> (roundebout same area though, I'm in Rockford now) and today is my
> last
>> day off for a week. However come around friday or Saturday they should
>> have our schedules up. Will you be able to ship on only certain days
>> next week? It is starting to get chilly up here so I don't want to
> hold
>> off any longer...
>>
>> I'm really, really sorry about this nonsense and I appreciate
the fact
>> you haven't shoved all but the deposit back and told me to go
> elsewhere.
 
I didn't see anything in the emails so I need to ask..... when did the snake die?

The last email I saw was 2 weeks after you got the wrong snake and to that point there was no mention of a sick or dying snake?
 
I suppose I should relpy to this...
Here's the condensed version of the story (Brittany feel free to correct anything I say that you feel is untrue):

Brittany purchased an 09' female blood from me on a payment plan. Somewhere between the time she sent me her first payment, and the time she sent me the last one, I mixed up two of the cards that I keep records of my baby snakes on (including the ID numbers I use) and as a result, sent her the wrong animal. This is completely my fault, and I've said so all along. It's a simple little error that I made, but it resulted in me sending the wrong snake to a customer... I felt horrible about it, and am more than a little bit embarrassed. I completely admit, and take responsibility for it... it was without question my fault.

When Brittany contacted me about it, I told her in a nutshell everything I just said above. I also told her that I wanted to do whatever I could to make things right. I offered her many options; refunding her money, sending her more animals (many of which were drastically higher dollar than what she purchased), or anything else that she felt would fix the problem I created. I was completely willing to do whatever was necessary to make her happy, and I told her that several times.

I haven't heard from Brittany in a while, and in fairness, I probably should have followed up with her again just to touch base, but as of this morning I was fully willing to do all of the things I said I would (or something different if she chose) to fix the problem. Today I get an email with a video of a dead snake (that she's had since October) and a link to a BOI thread about me. I refunded her money about an hour ago.

As far as the idea that I sent her a skinny, dying, non feeding etc. animal, that is complete fantasy. She ate for me, many times, and I haven't heard a peep of anything from Brittany until this thread that there was anything wrong with her whatsoever. Obviously from the video, the snake is now dead, after being in Brittany's hands for around 3 months. If there is a breeder in the country that offers a 3 month refund guarantee without any sort of indication in the meantime that anything whatsoever is wrong with the animal, I've yet to meet them. Nevertheless, I refunded her money. I have a fantastic reputation in the blood python community, and am not in the business of screwing people. I tried to provide Brittany with a myraid of options, all of which were weighted drastically in her favor, and made it abundantly clear that I was willing to do something else of her choosing if she thought it was fair. As I've said here and to here over and over, I made an honest mistake, and I wanted to make very damn sure that I corrected it. I don't know what I could have done to handle the situation better.
 
Wow James!!! Way To step up to the plate!!! I admire someone that would do this more then you know!! :thumbsup:

As for the buyer of this particular snake.... Why didn't you try to contact someone that deals with this type of snake and find out if there was some way they could help you get her to eat instead of letting her starve to death for THREE Months!!? come on... that snake had to suffer horribly. James is a great guy and although I haven't done business through him since I don't deal with Bloods... I wouldn't hesitate as for all the compliments that people have given him in the past!

Please come and explain what actions you took to try to get this snake to feed!!

Cathy Smith
 
Brittany,
Going by your pic taken a couple of days after you received it, that blood was healthy in appearance. Why didn't you contact James about not being able to get it to eat for you & ask how, what & when he was feeding it? It would have taken the same amount of time to video you attempting to feed it & send it to James & he could of probably told you what you were doing differently then how he normally fed & it wouldn't had died. I do understand the mistake with sending you the wrong snake but that snake was in your care for well over 2 months & you never contacted James about you not being able to get it to eat for you. You mentioned taking another snake to vet that got loose & got sick so you have a reptile vet, why didn't you take the blood to the vet once it started loosing weight?.
 
Brittany, I think you could have worked through this seller before coming here. He was willing to work through your extended payment plan and admitted he made a mistake with shipping out the wrong snake. The seller offered several good options to make it right and when did you let him know it was ill? Three months is a long time to have a snake and not notify the seller that it is ill. What happened with your sick ball?
 
Brittany,
Going by your pic taken a couple of days after you received it, that blood was healthy in appearance. Why didn't you contact James about not being able to get it to eat for you & ask how, what & when he was feeding it? It would have taken the same amount of time to video you attempting to feed it & send it to James & he could of probably told you what you were doing differently then how he normally fed & it wouldn't had died. I do understand the mistake with sending you the wrong snake but that snake was in your care for well over 2 months & you never contacted James about you not being able to get it to eat for you. You mentioned taking another snake to vet that got loose & got sick so you have a reptile vet, why didn't you take the blood to the vet once it started loosing weight?.

I agree completely. I completely understand sending the wrong snake as mistakes do happen. James was even very open in trying to resolve the issue leaving her many options to try to work something out.

I really didn't see how she was going to try to pin her poor care of that snake on James. I don't keep bloods and don't even know who James is offhand, but the issue of the dead snake really has no connection to anything he did. Her own photo of the snake "a few days after arrival" do not show a sickly underweight snake. Not to mention in over 2 weeks of emails she never said a word about the snake looking thin or not eating.

James, I applaud you for being more concerned with your reputation than a few hundred dollars. That says a lot about your character.

To the OP, I am going to be sure to add your name to the list of people that I would not buy from or sell to, I really hope others will do the same. How could you let such a beautiful animal starve to death when help is everywhere to be found. And then come here and try to pass blame on the seller after 3 months.
 
ive met james a couple months back at the lake county swap here in Illinois granted i didnt buy anything since i didnt have the room or money at the time but i did talk with him and his bloods were top notch i didnt see one unhealthy snake all were little porkers
 
Sorry I did not come back and reply to this sooner. I had to leave for work and I've got to leave again very soon, so I hate to hit the sack immediately.

To answer when she died, it was just yesterday.

She did seem very skinny to me when she arrived, especially in comparison to pictures of the snake from the other clutch (I wish I still had those, I will see if I can find them) and a friend of mine (as not to make it an anonymous third party I can try to bring her here, she is more of a betta person then a snake person so she does not have an account) was witness to this. However it could be true that she just stopped eating while in my possession.. in being angry I of course am going to believe she was not eating before she came to me. If she stopped eating after she came to me, that's not entirely unbelievable either, I've heard of young snakes doing such things before, I just was not inclined to sway in that direction.

James, thank you for finally getting back to me. I have not rushed off to check on the refund just yet but I am glad you finally did something. I'm a little disappointed that I had to go and make a thread to get you to do something about this but I appreciate that you did in the end. I'm also glad that your reputation means more to you then a few hundred, but the point still stands that it's pretty crappy that I had to call you out in front of others to get a response from you. You even say yourself that she was in my possession since October and that was more then enough time to get this solved. If she was eating in your possession, as the producer of her, I do feel the need to apologize. I could not get her to eat for me at al, but she was an awesome snake. Very calm, curious girl. She loved watching the fish and as strange as it seems she loved to climb (though she was not very good at it) and I know it would make me sad to find out such an animal had passed away.

To Montoya, working it through with the seller... he dropped contact with me when I contacted him about making those options happen and even after I found the right snake, which the original plan was to find the correct female and work with the current possessor to get her to me. You can't work things through with someone who is not talking to you.

My care of the snake was not poor. I have several other snakes that are perfectly healthy in my possession. She did not receive any less then them (if anything she received even more attention because I was worried about her.)

Help is everywhere to be found, true. I've had bad eaters that I have got eating before. I could not get Noodle to eat for me. Not with all the tricks I know in the book. The most feeding response I ever got out of her was putting a small live rat fuzzy in there. She seemed to act interested, then hastily retreated under her favorite piece of wood.

I didn't make this thread to get my husbandry snarked at. I take 100% care of my small collections of animals and I NEVER let harm befall them if I can help it. As I believe I mentioned I was going in to the cage with the intention to force/assist feed if she did not take. I hate doing that. I've seen snakes just let things rot in their guts out of stress after such ordeals and it makes getting them to start even harder, it is major stress to them. It seems I just decided a little too late to take that option. It's drastic in my opinion and I have not had to do it before.

Since the issue has been resolved now, it's case closed. However my story still stands as a tale of a bad experience, as honest as he was, especially because he did not contact me back at all in all this time until I decided to tell people about it.

To be honest I was going to call this a lost battle until she died. I guess I thought it was justice to try and seek a finish up to this mistake. I was very, very angry. But I am going to miss Noodle. I have very few snakes, not a large nameless collection, and I know every one of them and love each of them dearly. I spend time with all of them daily. This is the first snake I've lost since I started keeping, so it feels a lot like losing a dog. I don't think this post was done in any sort of haste since it's been a long while since I last heard from him but I probably should have done it with less anger.

Is there a protocol for threads pertaining to "solved issues," am I supposed to delete this, leave it up, not touch it, what? Also, leaving back out for work, will not be replying quickly
 
Brittany, I am sorry you lost the snake and understand you are upset about it. I don't know James but he has some issues where he dropped the ball by mixing up the snakes and not following up with you after November. However, I don't think sending messages to him through kingsnake was a good idea vs. email. This thread can not be taken back, your post is permanent here, that's why I think another email or call from you would have been prudent especially since he was never notified that the snake shipped had any health issues at all. The husbandry comes into question at least from me because you had a long time ball develop a RI and needed to go to the vet. When it became apparent that you were not going to get the original snake why didn't you accept any of the other resolutions offered from the seller?
 
You even say yourself that she was in my possession since October and that was more then enough time to get this solved

Brittany it appears that you were given options from the outset. Did you accept any?


I paid for one snake and in its place received an entirely different one that starved itself to death.

What did you do to try to get this snake feeding? After three months a non-feeding but otherwise healthy snake is your responsibility.

I think another email or call from you would have been prudent especially since he was never notified that the snake shipped had any health issues at all.

:iagree:
 
Brittany it appears that you were given options from the outset. Did you accept any?




What did you do to try to get this snake feeding? After three months a non-feeding but otherwise healthy snake is your responsibility.



:iagree:

Yes I did accept one. I asked him to show me the snakes. At that point I stopped hearing from him. Shortly after, I found the female he was originally going to send to me for sale elsewhere. The first plan was to track her down and get her to me, then give Noodle back. I treid contacting him excitedly about this too, and again no reply. He has said that I didn't try to contact him at all. I did. I shared the emails I sent in an earlier post but I can understand if that was tl;dr, it's sort of a china wall of text

"To which I replied:
Oh! So that missed call probably was from you earlier. Sorry about that, I was at work at the time... Aw hell. Someone must have gotten her and really liked how she was turning out. Way not to speak up guys! I probably wouldn't have either though, I bet she'll turn out awesome wherever she is. Watch, one of us will recognize her in a kingsnake ad in a few years or something and WTF.

I don't want to get another snake from that clutch, I'm trying to avoid getting bloods from the same clutch. I don't have much interest in borneos, either. I have been looking for adults, or older animals, just so long as they're handleable.. I feel a little rude saying it but I'd be interested in seeing what you've got...

Thank you for trying to find her! You could have been a dick about it and just gone WHOOPS sorry talk to you later, and I appreciate you trying to track her down for me and making things right.

After that there was no reply from him.

On November 7th, I sent him another email after finding the right snake:
I was looking at ads on kingsnake and sure enough she was for sale! They said the pythons were produced by you so I checked the link for photos of the female.. that's definetly her, I scrutinized the patterns for a looong time just to be sure and not get my hopes up!

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27655...03302430nKrUPQ
That is the picture of her he posted, that is definetly her! I spent months looking at the photo you had on your website of the one I ordered... I think he's selling her brother with her. I'm going to contact him and tell him what happened, but I would love it if you did too.. I really hope he's willing to make a trade or something somehow, I want her more than this striped girl definetly!

The kingsnake ad:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=734196 "

I can take screen shots of these in my outbox if wanted, but at this point I don't think it's necessary. I've been refunded and he has asked me not to contact him further so I should respect that and not antagonize this further then answering questions.

As for what I tried, everything I've ever read. Put the snake in a cup, put the snake in a box, change the hides, live, frozen thawed, freshly killed, leave it in the enclosure for a day, those nasty dip it in beef or chicken broth tricks, braining, roughing the mouse or rat up just a little (mostly tried rats,) puppet it, just catch their attention and don't puppet it, do it at night, do it during the day, try dusk/dawn, put the enclosure in a quieter place, check the temps with different equipment just to be sure.... praying to some obscure snake god that MAY THIS BLOOD EAT, FOR UNTO YOU I SACRIFICE IMAGINARY LAMB HUDDA HUDDA however jokingly. She usually seemed shy of any food I was moving around or she completely ignored it. Often times she would not even bother smelling it, though she was fairly active with smelling things when being handled. Not that she was exposed, her tank had lots of cover. All various tricks I have read about or had suggested to me when I had my first bad eater (who is now chowing rats spectacularly, for whatever reason he wanted food that seemed way too large for him, luckily he is on a smaller prey size now) and I was freaking out because he was only my third snake and, well, first times in this hobby can be frightening. The only thing I did not try was force feeding. Which as mentioned I was going to, but I made the decision too late, fearing it was going to be too much on her and she would either let it rot in her gut or she would just regurgitate it and be even harder to get feeding.

"However, I don't think sending messages to him through kingsnake was a good idea vs. email."
I did use email, not kingsnake. Kingsnake was to contact the person who had the right snake.

"The husbandry comes into question at least from me because you had a long time ball develop a RI and needed to go to the vet. When it became apparent that you were not going to get the original snake why didn't you accept any of the other resolutions offered from the seller?"

The snake did not die of RI. She died because she wasn't eating. I did try to accept a resolution and was never gotten back to about it from his end.

The thread being permanent is fine, I am not trying to take anything back. However James stepped forward and made right. I didn't know if I was supposed to do anything different after that, which is why I asked.

I do have to say I can see why I am easy to criticize and discredit. He has built himself a fine reputation and I am some newb popping out of the woodwork with a complaint. In the end I was refunded and thusly can't continue to complain, and it's not life or death that I convince everyone to be on "my side." I am ready to leave this sit. I don't want to sit here and explain in circles exactly what my problem was time and time again if it's been resolved. :shrug01:
 
I don't think people are trying to discredit you, necessarily. They just want the full picture.

Having another snake in an enclosure that it can escape from does make people, myself included, question your husbandry. What works for one snake/species won't work for every one. It's also very sad that you let that snake starve with what seems to be the idea that it was an unhealthy baby to begin with. If you didn't think that, you wouldn't have brought up the death of the sire. She looked very healthy in the pic you took right after you received her. They rarely ever look red as babies. I bet she would have colored up very nicely.

I want to know how you had the baby set up and what you really tried. I am going to hazard a guess here that it was in a tank with a visual type set up with branches and stuff. That is a bad bad way to set up a baby blood, especially one that is not feeding. It should have been in a shoebox tub in a rack or dark, quiet area. They are shy as babies (as are most snakes) and small spaces make them feel more secure. James would have been more than happy to help you get her feeding had you asked.

My feeling on what you would be owed would simply be the price difference between the two females. Nothing more.
 
Paint;849441She did seem very skinny to me when she arrived said:
She wasn't underweight Brittany. If you won't take my word for it, take the word of another "blood familiar" poster on this very thread. The sizes of babies can vary, sometimes to a great degree, so she may very well have been smaller than the other female, but the picture you painted of an emaciated snake on the verge of starvation is as I said, pure fantasy. Whether or not you were mad is utterly irrelevant.

James, thank you for finally getting back to me. I have not rushed off to check on the refund just yet but I am glad you finally did something. I'm a little disappointed that I had to go and make a thread to get you to do something about this but I appreciate that you did in the end. I'm also glad that your reputation means more to you then a few hundred, but the point still stands that it's pretty crappy that I had to call you out in front of others to get a response from you.

You didn't have to do anything other than what I've told you countless times... tell me what I need to do to make it right. Refunding your money has absolutely nothing to do with this thread... I told you I'd do it months ago if that's what you wanted.

To Montoya, working it through with the seller... he dropped contact with me when I contacted him about making those options happen and even after I found the right snake, which the original plan was to find the correct female and work with the current possessor to get her to me. You can't work things through with someone who is not talking to you.

Again, this is make believe. I never "dropped contact" with you Brittany, and I'm not a particularly difficult guy to get ahold of. We've spoken on the phone a number of times, and emailed even more. My phone number is on my website and in my email signature. Did I miss an email from you??... quite possibly. But have you been beating my door down like you say and getting blatanly ingnored??... come on. Pick up the phone... have I ever not answered?

Since the issue has been resolved now, it's case closed.

I'm glad you feel the issue is resolved. I wonder if your name with a red X and "Bad Guy" next to it was on the largest forum of it's kind in the world, in an industry that you'd spent the better part of a decade compiling the respect of peers and customers, if you'd still be so chipper. Particularly if you'd not only done everything that was asked of you, but offered to go exponentially above and beyond to fix a problem. Somehow I doubt it.

To be honest I was going to call this a lost battle until she died. I guess I thought it was justice to try and seek a finish up to this mistake. I was very, very angry. But I am going to miss Noodle. I have very few snakes, not a large nameless collection, and I know every one of them and love each of them dearly. I spend time with all of them daily. This is the first snake I've lost since I started keeping, so it feels a lot like losing a dog. I don't think this post was done in any sort of haste since it's been a long while since I last heard from him but I probably should have done it with less anger.

No, you should have picked up the phone and told me what you wanted me to do to make it right. Or chosen from a list of almost ridiculously generous options I gave you.

Is there a protocol for threads pertaining to "solved issues," am I supposed to delete this, leave it up, not touch it, what? Also, leaving back out for work, will not be replying quickly

Nope, the BOI is permenant, and you can't edit posts.
 
To answer when she died, it was just yesterday.

She did seem very skinny to me when she arrived, especially in comparison to pictures of the snake from the other clutch (I wish I still had those, I will see if I can find them) and a friend of mine (as not to make it an anonymous third party I can try to bring her here, she is more of a betta person then a snake person so she does not have an account) was witness to this.

Regardless of whether or not this is true, even if the snake was actually underweight (which it does not appear that it was), or even if it was emaciated and on death's door, the point is moot. By your own recollection of emails and other correspondence you never at any point contacted the seller about the snake being skinny or having trouble eating. Not once. You have absolutely no right to complain about what happened to it for that very reason. Even if your husbandry was flawless, you never told him it was skinny. You never told him it wasn't eating. Not once in three months. He could have helped you or offered you something even more generous than already suggested, or he could've even ignored you. Who knows, because you never brought it up.

You can complain about the supposed lack of communication or the shipment of the incorrect snake if you want to, even though the issue is "resolved", but you really can't blame the seller for what happened to the poor snake. You never gave him a chance to even attempt to help you with that problem. I don't think he deserves a Bad Guy thread at all under the circumstances, but he especially doesn't deserve the reputation of sending you a sick snake for this. The snake appeared healthy and you had it in your care for months. You cannot expect him to be responsible for an issue you never even attempted to bring to his attention, regardless of whose fault it is or isn't.
 
I don't know how anyone else feels about this thread, but if James is a bad guy I'll eat my shorts. I don't many bad guys that offer 100% refunds on animals that die after three months in a customers care.

Dont sweat the bad guy thread James, it reads exactly the opposite to anyone with any sort of common sense.

Ms. Love, you should be ashamed for starting this thread here. This website has a "Missing Persons" forum that is frequently used to locate people who apparently seem to drop off the face of the earth. You could have used that forum, and I'm sure with the volume of members here that someone could have helped you get in touch with him.

Quite honestly I feel that you failed to use the reliable resources this site offers. From trying to communicate with James to starving that snake to death, you failed.

While James has been generous to refund you your money back, I would have given you nothing back. And I wish I could influence James to cancel that refund to you, because I have the sickening feeling you're going to buy another animal with it, and I don't think you are responsible enough to care for anything living.
 
Regardless of whether or not this is true, even if the snake was actually underweight (which it does not appear that it was), or even if it was emaciated and on death's door, the point is moot. By your own recollection of emails and other correspondence you never at any point contacted the seller about the snake being skinny or having trouble eating. Not once. You have absolutely no right to complain about what happened to it for that very reason. Even if your husbandry was flawless, you never told him it was skinny. You never told him it wasn't eating. Not once in three months. He could have helped you or offered you something even more generous than already suggested, or he could've even ignored you. Who knows, because you never brought it up.

You can complain about the supposed lack of communication or the shipment of the incorrect snake if you want to, even though the issue is "resolved", but you really can't blame the seller for what happened to the poor snake. You never gave him a chance to even attempt to help you with that problem. I don't think he deserves a Bad Guy thread at all under the circumstances, but he especially doesn't deserve the reputation of sending you a sick snake for this. The snake appeared healthy and you had it in your care for months. You cannot expect him to be responsible for an issue you never even attempted to bring to his attention, regardless of whose fault it is or isn't.

:iagree: 100%!

Originally Posted by Paint
As for what I tried, everything I've ever read.


Brittany,
Bloods especially babies are not a newbie or even a fairly new keeper snake because they're super picky and the normal tricks sometimes do not seem to work with this species.
No not one time did you contact the seller regarding care. As a breeder he's the first life line you should have used. But nothing until the poor baby died.
Did you one time post a thread on a discussion forum asking for help??
Send an email to other blood keepers /breeders????

That snake looked healthy to me. Not skinny.

I don't think you deserved the FULL refund either. You should be more then thankful James is that kind. Lord knows I sure as hell wouldn't have refunded a dime of your money. You really should sincerely apologize for not asking for help, running James' name through the mud because you allowed the snake to die then came here to post this thread and claim "Bad Guy" which appears to be extremely far from the truth. Yes that sounds cold but you had more options available that you didn't seem to take.

Just my two cents.
 
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