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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Fake lipsticks on MM

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MM is not so great. Imo. I see so many people advertising lipstick Albinos and sunglows that are definitely not lipsticks. So many new people buy a boa from a person saying the litter is lipstick. So they breed them and call all their babies lipsticks! Such a crap shoot for some who don’t know what true Tom Burke lipsticks look like.

For you new people wanting lipsticks. Research. Check out Toms description of a lipstick. Talk to people who have actually bred true lipsticks. Then look at some of the so called lipsticks on MM. You’ll see most are NOT lipsticks!
I see so many non visuals being called lipstick and yet have no color to hint it’s a lipstick. I’ve asked several “ breeders “ advertising lipsticks for pics of the visual parents or parent. Not once did anyone have a pic of the visual used. Either they sold it ( bs ) or the parents were just a couple hypo het albino ( sold to person as lipstick ) bred to a normal looking SG in which the new breeder tells people they are lipstick.
I do applaud the people using the term lipstick line when appropriate. But I’d still like to see the parent used to create the lipstick line. But for reasons we know, they don’t even post the lipstick parent! Hum

And we won’t get on the corals being sold. I seen a couple “ corals “ posted in 2022. Now being over a year old, where’s the coraling people??
Every coral I’ve owned and bred was coraled up by 1 year. Look at my pics of a few of my corals from years past.

Just because you breed a lipstick or coral to another boa doesn’t mean the babies will all be lipstick or coral!!
 
I'd love to see Tom Burke's specific description of Lipstick Albinos, but can't seem to find it. Does anyone have a link or care to share the marker checklist? I'm sure it involves lipstick red saddles and facial markings but is there more to it? Is it considered a pastel polygenic/line bred trait? Can you have a Lipstick animal that is not in homozygous Kahl albino format, but a Het? Maybe that's a dumb question, but I've wondered that when seeing "Het Lipstick" instead of "Het Kahl (Lipstick lineage)" ect.

Same goes for Coral. I see there are different lines of Coral. GS, Groovy ect. Is this just another form of polygenic/line bred traits? Or is there something more to Coral than there is to say a pastel line animal? I ask because I see certain pastel lines go through drastic changes as they age, in regards to color. Which has me wondering if Coral is in fact just another pastel line? It seems like the true coral animals are few and far between.
 
There's no "description" of a Lipstick albino. It's simply a bloodline, which, who knows if the animals OP is describing are descended from Tom's lipstick lineage. I doubt he knows anymore than we do and probably a lot less than the person who bred the animals. High color animals are very difficult to produce and even harder to maintain. I founded the Ferrari pastels and there are many, many animals labeled Ferraris that don't contain near the color that the animals I produced had, but if they came from my bloodline, they have every right to label them Ferraris. It's just how that works.
 
Searching 'lipstick' on his FB confirms that he takes this to be a selectively bred albino line, not necessarily a morph of its own or a specific set of traits. The selective breeding bit is as important in these sorts of cases as is the lineage, though.

But there are plenty of ads out there that are using 'Lipstick' as a purported morph name, rather than an indicator of the (partial) lineage of the animal. Some of these are on het animals, which makes no sense since Lipstick has a line bred component.
 
Being a lineage, the hets are just as much "Lipsticks" as the albinos/sunglows/etc. I get that there are probably a lot of people out there working with the Lipstick line that don't quite understand how selective breeding works and thus the wording of their advertising is probably sloppy. If more people understood and participated in selective breeding, there'd be much higher quality and much less quantity of animals being produced, but again, none of that really has anything to do with whether those animals genetics originated with Tom's Lipstick animals. If they did, they're Lipsticks. If not and it can be proven (it likely can't at this point, honestly) then we're just whining at the wind.
 
Edit for the ending of my last post: If it can be proven that someone's stock didn't originate with Tom, then they should be called out. If it can't, then we're just whining in the wind.
 
JCCS said:
Being a lineage, the hets are just as much "Lipsticks" as the albinos/sunglows/etc.
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Hmm.

A 'het for Y' is an animal that carries (with some degree of certainty, up to 100%) one copy of the gene 'Y'. There's some slop with this, since keepers seem to mostly accept that an animal can be 'het for snow' where snow is the combination of albino and anerythristic; in this case, 'het for Y' entails that 'Y' is two genes that the animal carries one copy of each.

An 'X line' animal is such in virtue of one or (preferably, IMO) both of its parents being 'X line' animals. Usually (and in the case we're discussing here), 'being an X line' derives from the animal's progenitors having been part of a project of some (famous) breeder.

If I breed two 'X line' animals together, the offspring would be 'X line'. If I breed a generic animal to an 'X line' animal, I may or may not be justified in claiming that the F1s are 'X line' (personally, I'd say they're 'X-line' x generic). But what these 'X line x generic' animals are not is 'het for X line', since lineage isn't a single locus gene, but rather is a history and whatever polygenic traits that the animal acquired during that history.

Consider '50% het for X', which makes sense but '50% chance that a progenitor of this animal passed through the hands of breeder B' does not, at least not in the same way.

Because Lipstick is a line, and because a line isn't a gene, there aren't any 'het for Lipstick' animals (although there may be het Kahl albino animals with some Lipstick lineage in their makeup).
 
Thanks for clarifying that JCCS. It makes sense if it's just a lineage name with no real markers. Then technically I guess all those "het lipstick albino" should be "lipstick het albino".

Those Ferrari Pastels are insane, great work.
Question if you don't mind? If a Ferrari was outcrossed and gave a varying litter in regards to color, reduction of black pigment ect - would you consider the whole litter Ferrari Pastels just different grades of quality? Or would the high color/clean individuals be labeled Ferrari Pastels and dirtier less colorful looking animals be labeled "Ferrari line"?

I was doing research on pastel lines on FB and found posts suggesting pastels need to meet a certain set of markers - reduced black pigment/freckling, washed out side medallions and overall clean appearance - in order to be labeled pastels. That's what sparked the question above. I understand Ferrari would be the lineage but am curious how you'd label the other animals.
 
*curious how you'd label the other animals- by that I mean the ones that don't meet your standards of Ferrari Pastels*
 
Hi Matthew. I would consider them all Ferrari line animals of differing quality. Pastels are a whole different thing. Hopefully, Ferrari lineage litters will produce pastels, but even the best Ferrari litters have animals that don't qualify as pastel, even if they have extreme color. Pastel is all about reduction of black.
 
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