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Determining a pastel

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Hey guys. I just wanted to clarify something here. I have heard that a "pastel" is also called a "high pink" boa. Now, I have seen some information concerning the pastels, seen some pictures, but I am a little confused. What truly makes a pastel a "pastel"? I will get some pictures up soon of my male, but I was wondering if I may get some input on these wonderful boas along with some pictures. The reason I am asking is because I got this male boa off a young man that had no clue to genetics, breeding etc, he had this male as a pet. I have had a few people look at him and tell me he is a pastel, now I have not claimed this because I do not know this to be true. Give me a couple of days and I will post some pics of him. Thanks!

Jeremy
 
Here's a thread started by the founder of the Pastel Colombian...

Pastel Dream Boa


If that will help you any.

The pastel Boa, as well as Coral and a few other terms, have become grossly misused in our industry. Sometimes it's an accurate call, sometimes it ain't.
 
"pastels" should come from known pastel lineage. There are a lot of pastel-type boas out there and many people use pastel as a descriptive term and not always referring to a specific line. Pastel is reduced black, especially seen on the laterals. Pastel does not mean pink, but the reduced black usually lets more color come through. Pastel is a line-bred trait, meaning, it is not a recessive or dominant morph but a product of years of selective breeding.

This is my high pink boa, Jeff Ronne said he would consider her a pastel and she has thrown some very pastel-type boas but she'll always just be called high-pink.
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I agree that both terms Pastel and Coral are way over-used.
 
Thank you guys. Very helpful. Just to clear things up for me, a pastel is only a pastel if it has came from a proven pastel line. Not just if it "looks" pastel, right? Thanks again!


Jeremy
 
Thank you guys. Very helpful. Just to clear things up for me, a pastel is only a pastel if it has came from a proven pastel line. Not just if it "looks" pastel, right? Thanks again!


Jeremy

Not necessarily. You can do the work to prove your own line, thats how the established lines were done. A few years ago, the term pastel was so misused, you couldn't find a normal boa for sale. EVERYTHING was listed as a pastel. There were 60+ lines of unproven pastels on the KS classifieds alone. Its a bit of work but with proper breedings you could prove your own line.
 
How would you prove your own line? So a pastel is just a type of color on a boa, or colors, and it varies with each person's line? I mean, I kinda understand genetics, a little, but would it be something like, if you have a possible "pastel", when bred, you then bred him/her to one of the babies from that litter, and so on? Please explain.

p.s. Also, whats the difference between a salmon and a hypo? I have always though or been told they were the same, but recently a friend of mine said there are small differences, are there differences genetically? thanks!
 
How would you prove your own line? So a pastel is just a type of color on a boa, or colors, and it varies with each person's line? I mean, I kinda understand genetics, a little, but would it be something like, if you have a possible "pastel", when bred, you then bred him/her to one of the babies from that litter, and so on? Please explain.

The Pastel trait is not described very well. While Ronne took a stab at it, you can get lost in the definition as he rambles. I do believe it is some sort of inheritable trait but not like co-dom , dominant, or recessive. It also depends on the line as well. I know of a couple that when bred to normals etc. the pastel gene is expressed regardless of how ugly the normal is where as a line bred trait is usually bred back to each other with very select animals added to freshen up the mix but may not carry a clean up gene.

A good indication that your animals carry something is determined by what it is bred into. If you breed it to a melanistic normal and the babies look like pet shop bait, likely you need to work it with cleaner animals in a line breeding project. If even a few of the babies come out with an overall reduction in the black part of the pattern and the dark wash over the background color, those would be held back for further breedings.

A good Pastel will clean up anything its bred to ( clean up gene ) where a line of clean animals bred to strictly clean animals will likely be just clean normals. Pastel is a funky trait, it does exist but no one that I know has been able to determine the true nature of it.

p.s. Also, whats the difference between a salmon and a hypo? I have always though or been told they were the same, but recently a friend of mine said there are small differences, are there differences genetically? thanks!

Salmon is just a name for Rich Ihle's line of hypos. The only difference between a hypo & a salmon is generally locality that the gene originated from. Some tend to differentiate between the two because of the pattern abnormalities of salmons but I've seen other hypos throw similar pattern abnormalities. In the end, all hypos are hypos and Salmon is just a name coined to describe the color of the animals Rich originally produced.

Hope that helps.
 
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Originally Posted by mxracer4life
How would you prove your own line? So a pastel is just a type of color on a boa, or colors, and it varies with each person's line? I mean, I kinda understand genetics, a little, but would it be something like, if you have a possible "pastel", when bred, you then bred him/her to one of the babies from that litter, and so on? Please explain.

The Pastel trait is not described very well. While Ronne took a stab at it, you can get lost in the definition as he rambles. I do believe it is some sort of inheritable trait but not like co-dom , dominant, or recessive. It also depends on the line as well. I know of a couple that when bred to normals etc. the pastel gene is expressed regardless of how ugly the normal is where as a line bred trait is usually bred back to each other with very select animals added to freshen up the mix but may not carry a clean up gene.

A good indication that your animals carry something is determined by what it is bred into. If you breed it to a melanistic normal and the babies look like pet shop bait, likely you need to work it with cleaner animals in a line breeding project. If even a few of the babies come out with an overall reduction in the black part of the pattern and the dark wash over the background color, those would be held back for further breedings.

A good Pastel will clean up anything its bred to ( clean up gene ) where a line of clean animals bred to strictly clean animals will likely be just clean normals. Pastel is a funky trait, it does exist but no one that I know has been able to determine the true nature of it.

Fixed it.
 
I too, will say that the word pastel has been used to widely to describe normal boas with excessive amounts of pink, however in working with several pastel lines over the past several years, I have noticed that better results are achieved with some lines vs. others.

I have noticed that when bred to normals, the EBV pastels tend to produce better looking offspring then my Ronne lines. I have also started to work with the Inferno lines from Tony Hawkins. Should see some impressive pastels in the future.
 
April - sorry to go off topic but who'd you get your boa from? It's gorgeous!

I rescued her in 2002, she was listed on craigslist as a 'salmon' that needed better care. I knew it wouldn't be a salmon but I went to check it out and when I saw her, just had to have her. She was super thin, had what looked like a broken rib and was housed with another boa. I adopted both boas on the spot for $100, got them rehabed, adopted out the male and kept her. All I know was she was bought at a pet store in 1998 as a baby. Sorry I don't have any other info, I wish I did!
 
p.s. Also, whats the difference between a salmon and a hypo? I have always though or been told they were the same, but recently a friend of mine said there are small differences, are there differences genetically? thanks!
All salmons are hypos, but a hypo need not be a salmon. :D There are other lines that are called hypos, like the orangetail line. And the so-called T-positive albino boas have less black pigment than a normal boa, so they could be called hypos, too. Then there is the mutant that I've seen called Sharon Moore caramel, boawoman hypo, and other names; that mutant is definitely not salmon.

Salmon is the name of Rich Ihle's line of hypos. He and coauthors published a description and the genetics in a peer-reviewed journal, so salmon is also the official name of the gene that produces the hypo condition in Rich's stock of boas. If the mutant gene in the orangetail line is the same as the mutant gene in Rich's line, then salmon would be the official name of the mutant gene in the orangetail line, too. But as far as I know, nobody knows for sure.
 
I read this thread after Bryon pointed me toward it. I sorta specialize in pastel boas. I developed my own line (CCS) of pastels. I also work with four other lines of pastel. The definition of a pastel boa is simply a phenotypically normal boa with reduced black coloration. April, that snake you posted is very much a pastel, be it from a known line or not. Now, color often goes along with the reduction of black for whatever reason. Selective breeding is as simple as this, you breed a good looking snake to a good looking snake, you are going to get good looking snakes, hopefully some better than the parents. This gene manipulation is evident in every animals species that humans breed, from dogs to cattle. People tend to make the pastel gene more than what it is, it is just a good looking boa, some are from certain lineages and therefore will have a certain look to them.

CCS Line Pastel:
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Ferrari line pastel and a CCS line pastel. The CCS line pastel is a good example of a low color pastel.
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Adult pic of Ferrari line pastel:
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Another Ferrari line pastel:
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And a Sugar Baby line pastel male:
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Joe, I also brought in an Inferno line pastel and it is really starting to glow.

Chris Canada-Smith
 
I rescued her in 2002..... Sorry I don't have any other info, I wish I did!

Well, then you both got lucky!


BryonsBoas said:
There were 60+ lines of unproven pastels on the KS classifieds alone.

The people who say ''It's father/mother had it but it didn't show up in the first litter so it must be recessive!" I like those people so much that I keep a list of them & refer to it before I even hit The BOI. :ack2:

Why not just call the hyper-erythristic boas hyper-erythristic boas?
There would be so much less confusion if color traits were called what they are & scientific/genetic terms were consistently used in a proper manner. Then the super spiffy names could be saved for line names & the confusion for pattern morphs.

From what I've read the pastel works kind of like the Hypo gene but by peeling off layers of melanin and it does it in an over all 'body wash' so that the color that was hidden by all that black (the base color) is revealed. On some snakes their base color is yellow based, some is silver/gray and on some it is more red. So the base color of the babies resulting from the breeding isn't what matters, the fact that breeding the Pastel you are trying to prove revealed the base color is what matters.
Then if you want a snake like April's (yup,still drooling) you would breed the pastel to a snake with a red base which would peel off the melanin and hopefully give you redder offspring. Which you could then sell to me :D
Oh, and it gets rid of a lot of those freckles!
 
Sorry, must have been typing while you were posting. I like how your line shades from one end of the spectrum to the other!
 
An example of a hypererytheristic animal would be a blood boa, not so much a pastel. I think the scientific terms should be kept to cut and dry genes.

I somewhat agree with the lack of black allowing base colors to shine through. But consciously or subconsciously, people breed snakes for color. You don't get some of the more extreme examples above without having both parents show some intense color. Here is a good example of a non pastel exhibiting nice color:

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She has great color (some of which might have been washed out by the flash), especially for an adult female, but is no where near a pastel.

My point is, I think you are making it more complicated than what it is. Pastels are more of an art than a science. You take a nicely colored, washed out snake, breed it to a complimentary animal, and you get nice animals. The trick to making really nice ones is to figure out the best animals to compliment other animals.

Chris
 
An example of a hypererytheristic animal would be a blood boa, not so much a pastel. I think the scientific terms should be kept to cut and dry genes.

Chris

Yes, blood boas are the extreme end. I wasn't saying all pastels are hyper-erythristic, I thought that was clarified in the area of the post on base colors. Sorry.

But consciously or subconsciously, people breed snakes for color. You don't get some of the more extreme examples above without having both parents show some intense color.

The trick to making really nice ones is to figure out the best animals to compliment other animals.
Chris

:iagree:
 
I too, will say that the word pastel has been used to widely to describe normal boas with excessive amounts of pink, however in working with several pastel lines over the past several years, I have noticed that better results are achieved with some lines vs. others.

I have noticed that when bred to normals, the EBV pastels tend to produce better looking offspring then my Ronne lines. I have also started to work with the Inferno lines from Tony Hawkins. Should see some impressive pastels in the future.

Interesting since Ronne lines were started from two other lines and EBV red group was started with Ronne lines.
 
Pastel Boas??

Ok, just to make things more complicated possibly. With pastel boas, I have always understood that it is the lack in the black speckling and it is possible to reduce that with years of breeding. Are boas like ball pythons in which you can make some type of super pastels? I don't think that i understand that it works this way, but kind of curious. The only way to get the "pastel" in a boa is continually breeding the pink colors in or the black speckling out and you do this by breeding one clean looking boa to another. I have never heard of a 'super' pastel in boas, but just wondering if it is possible? I am reading the boaphile pastel posts, but there is a ton of reading for that post.:confused:
 
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