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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

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I am curious, but how much is using Craigs list, a somewhat common practice is? selling animals is prohibited, yet seems to be ok with reptiles??

Why is it ok? is it ok as a general rule??
I ask because I am very much active in the dog community.. and despite people doing this.. as a general rule.. it is NOT a ok place.. rules or not.. people who do are NOT considered "good examples" not a representation of the community as a whole but the few bad apples in a bunch.. this is something mentioned and said in a dozen places..
But I have not found any information on this practice good/bad or questionable anywhere? so using craigs list ok??


Second question.. as a breeder how do you feel about someone using your name.. in said adds??

One type is to say heck not a questionable import, or pet store purchase.. given good care.. got my animal from XXX.. as a way to prove health of said animal.. ok makes a lot of good points.. lets face it not only if WC. CB or CH matters in reptiles, long term care even before sale can impact the animals long term health.. so a resonable factor, this I dont have a huge issue with..

But the more common use of name dropping is (in my area) is to drop the name of a national recognized facility to "sell" the animals breeding potential.. not early care but heck more valuable as a "breeding animal" not healthy as a adoption.. as a PET.. that I find odd.. so is this ok?? dont mind someone who purchased the animal cannot keep or changed mind for what ever reason using your name to SELL the animal on craigs list??

there is a ton of grey areas in these questions, just looking for some perspective..


Thanks :)
 
Craigslist is simply a selling platform If a seller is honest why would it make any difference where the sale takes place? If a seller is dishonest, they could advertise in the most uptown of sites and that would not validate their dishonesty.

There appear to be a lot of scammers on CL and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But there are also good sellers who want to sell local and find Craigslist a convenient way to do that.
 
I agree.. but...

How a vendor sells is NOT a indication on ethics.. for the record how they handle each sale, screen if appropriate, educate etc is.. online or classified, heck even pet store.. matters.. sales and how.. is a very grey area, and one thing does NOT indicate good bad.. despite all the crap out there that ruin it.. ..

However.. Craigs list, specifically.. the pet section per the "terms of the site" states NO selling of animals.. no selling of breeding animals.. So yes I find the multiple examples of this selling or pushing the animals breeding potential questionable ON CRAIGS LIST PET SECTION..
 
people sell animals on CL all the time, they just list it as "pet" to skirt the rules. Been that way since I can remember.
 
misthold said:
However.. Craigs list, specifically.. the pet section per the "terms of the site" states NO selling of animals.. no selling of breeding animals.. So yes I find the multiple examples of this selling or pushing the animals breeding potential questionable ON CRAIGS LIST PET SECTION..
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I do not know why CL has that rule. However, they do not seem to enforce it, and it is enforceable, Ebay enforces a modified rule (I believe one can sell bird eggs and some kinds of bugs on Ebay).

Is one questionable if one engages in a prohibited but generally unenforced action? Jaywalking?
If there are ethical sellers that find their critters a good loving safe home on CL whether the critters are snakes or dogs are you saying they are questionable?
 
The Rule really depends on reports. What happens is they will get someone very anti-snakes who just watched something on Animal Planet. Rodent feeders is a big report, they are worried about feeding the rodent live, even if the ad says F/T. So you will find the rule is enforced based on the location.

I will try to contact the persons and offer to ask there concerns, I will invite them to a show or up to a rescue so they can see what the animals are actually like. So AZ Phoenix area is not that bad.
 
There are many deals to be had on CL if you are careful and can filter the gold from the dross. I picked up a spinner from a local breeder there last year, and three more from him this year that were not advertised on CL but on his own web page.

You can also find the larger enclosures for boas and giant snakes listed there for very low prices, as they're quite expensive to ship. I think I paid about a third of what new ones would cost for my 96"x30" enclosures because I had a truck, could pick them up immediately, and was willing to pay the asked-for price in cash.

As for selling there... I'd rather make a local sale so I can keep track of my babies' progress over the years, and help new owners get the proper equipment and correct setups for their new pets, something that big box stores fail to do way too often.
 
thanks everyone..
IMOP.. how the seller conducts business, places their animals.. is the real truth.. not how they advertise. but I was curious about the general Hobby's opinion on it..

I am always looking for the odd, project or heck rescue.. would never think of looking specifically as a place to purchase..

interesting to hear the different sides..
 
We use Craigslist to sell used caging and supples, not animals other than actual rescues. Regardless of the reason for it, the rule says "small rehoming fee is acceptable." What does it say about me or you, as a business person if you flaunt that rule by selling, err rehoming, breeder animals or rare morphs for $100s of dollars. I have done my share of trades on CL, but view any animal sale, err, rehome, with a jaundiced eye. Just my two cents.
 
Herps Alive! said:
We use Craigslist to sell used caging and supples, not animals other than actual rescues. Regardless of the reason for it, the rule says "small rehoming fee is acceptable." What does it say about me or you, as a business person if you flaunt that rule by selling, err rehoming, breeder animals or rare morphs for $100s of dollars. I have done my share of trades on CL, but view any animal sale, err, rehome, with a jaundiced eye. Just my two cents.
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I've seen this quite often in the Las Vegas craigslist ads.
Pitbull, chihuaua, and other select dogs are bred like crazy and put up for an "adoption" or "rehoming" fee that ranges in the hundreds.

I think the reason it seems like selling reptiles is more accepted, even though craigslist prohibits the sale of any animals, is because the people who take it upon themselves to actively patrol craigslist and report misuse are looking out for dogs and cats more so than they are for reptiles (there's not as much love for our scaly friends! :c). So a lot of ads that list reptiles for sale are posted without any repercussion.
 
I wouldn't put a high-$$$ multi-gene morph on CL. But, with the cost of shipping running $45-100 depending on how far the package has to go, it would make sense to advertise single-gene hatchlings or juveniles whose "small rehoming fee" would be under $100.
 
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