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I have two Savannahs, one male one female. Just to make aware I do have them scheduled to see a vet. Well they stopped eating and refusing food and water. Never happened before, ever. Weird thing is my female is wasting away, while my male has only lost a few grams. He's still robust. Though he still shy from the mice I try to feed him. He'll hiss and puff up at them and back away. My female just turns her head around. I did get both of them to take 3 mice each in past few days. My and female reacted very different though. My male would shy away and all, so I grabbed a hold of him behind his head around his neck, and he opened his mouth in threat, when he did I popped a mouse in... he thought he got a hold of me and snapped his mouth shut. I set him down, I didn't want to try and force it if he would swallow it on his own. He would look up at me when set down and realize he had a mouse in his mouth and take it down. After that I tried just putting another in front of him. He smelled it and everything, but still refused.

Now my female wouldn't even swallow hers.... I had to coax her to even open her mouth, even when she did it was only a little when she got a mouse she tried her very best to get it out of her mouth. She hasn't ate in a while and I knew she needed something of sustenance, so I just held the mouse in her throat until she swallowed it. Which took forever. Eventually she did. And both have kept the mice down. I also had to administer water through the same way but with a syringe.

My females hips are exposed, there's not meat around them. And she's just so lethargic. Usually she full of energy, she's very affectionate and when she sees you coming she'll try and get to you from her enclosure. And she usually loves being sprayed with a water bottle. She doesn't do any of these now. And she just sleeps ALL the time. She MIGHT move to get in and out of the basking area. But not always. I've had to do that a couple of times for her myself.

Any body have a clue as to what is going on? Here's a pic of them. Female is on top of male. Why he tolerates this I dunno. Love I guess.
 

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It is unclear from your post how long this has been going on...since you are talking about the female wasting away, I would be inclined to think that it has been awhile. Even with a fairly heavy parasite load, that isn't likely to take place over the course of 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, at this point, you will get more questions than answers - how long have you had them?, how old/big are they?, have they been treated for internal parasites?, what size & type of enclosure?, heating method?, temperature (high/low, day/night)?, diet?, cage cleaning frequency and method?, any regurgitation?, still producing stool/urine?, any changes (temps, food source, chemicals, etc)? I know there are others I have left out, but that will do for starters
 
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It is unclear from your post how long this has been going on...since you are talking about the female wasting away, I would be inclined to think that it has been awhile. Even with a fairly heavy parasite load, that isn't likely to take place over the course of 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, at this point, you will get more questions than answers - how long have you had them?, how old/big are they?, have they been treated for internal parasites?, what size & type of enclosure?, heating method?, temperature (high/low, day/night)?, diet?, cage cleaning frequency and method?, any regurgitation?, still producing stool/urine?, any changes (temps, food source, chemicals, etc)? I know there are others I have left out, but that will do for starters
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Well it's been about 2 1/2 weeks. When it first started happening I talked to a guy I know who's a big herper, he said to watch them, because he said it sounds like they might be hibernating for some reason. And my female literally lost alot of weight in a mtter of 3 days. The soonest the vet can see them is tuesday. They have alot more experiance than the ones over here on my side of the water. There are only two in my direct vicinity that deal with herps. They did go see a vet here last week, and he siad he didn't know what to do or what was going on. I mean he kept taking guesses of what it could be from a book. So I called PETA to see if they knew of anyone in my area, with extensive knowledge and knew what they were doing and talking about. So they recomended us to the one we are seeing Tuesday.

I've had my female since August of last year. She was about 3 months old then. She's now about 24''. And weighs (before this) about 3-4 lbs maybe I dunno. My male I've had since last November. Age unknown. He was a rescue. It's guess at about 3-4 years. He's about 3 ft. The end of his tail is missing, I dunno why.

Last Monday I found my female with her in a pool of foamy muscous sleeping. There's been no regurgitation from either.

I change their water pretty much all day long usually because they typically like to lay in it and then poop when they're done soaking. They have a gallon sized water bowl. The enclosure is a 100 gallon tank, I think 44'X 18'x14' I think, don't quote me on that. But it is 100 gal. For heating, a infrared light so I can leave it on during the night for them. Plus a UV light. Basking area is usually about 85-90. Cool side 75-80. Diet is variable. They enjoy the usual mice, eggs (hard boiled), sliced deli turkey is a treat I give them sometimes, they like a little bit of non fried and non greasy chicken as a treat. Sometimes I will feed my male a cherry tomato, he likes vegies sometimes. I don't do roaches, I can't stand touching them. And crickets they ignore. I've even fed them shellfish, shrimp, crawfish. Oh and they love to chase the ocasional fish I put in their water bowl. So they get varied diet. I clean the feces out of the cage every day with a knapkin when it happens. My male has deficated a couple of times, but it was really kind clear with the hard white stuff I dunno what it is. I think it's extra calcium or bone, I dunno.

Nothing has really changed except the location of the enclosure. But they've been moved before, and they didn't respond in any negative sort of way.
 
I forgot, I clean the cage about 1x a week or when needed. I usually use about 4 inches of store bought filling soil with no chemicals. My female usually likes to dig holes and burrow. Always has. Umm when I do clean the enclosure I use that Method stuff that you can get5 at Target, it's non toxic and all natural. I've always used, because of that reason. And they themselves like to get baths about 1-2 times a week. When I do I let them soak in warm water which they really enjoy and give them a light scrub with the Method hand cleaner, also non-toxic. I've always done. It helps with their sheds, and they seem to enjoy it. Though they hate the towel, they always grab when I'm trying to dry them off, and I end up playing tug o' war with a monitor. Lol, good times. Sorry just reminiscing
 
Where did you move the enclosure to? Somewhere near a window or door; or away from a window that got direct sunlight? Foamy mucus definitely isn't a good thing - I wouldn't try to diagnose without seeing it first hand, though. The temps you quoted - were they guesstimates, or actual thermometer readings (sorry, but I DO have to ask). The cool side is fine, but the basking area needs to be warmer...try to get it up another 20 degrees (no, I'm not kidding).
Significant weight loss over the course of a few days is unusual in a healthy animal - even sick ones tend to drop slowly then seem to crash suddenly. I would guess that there is a combination of things going on, but barring physical exam anything I have to offer is strictly guesswork based upon the info you have given. I am reasonably sure she is dehydrated, probably has a respiratory infection, and possibly sepsis besides. When you had her mouth open, did you happen to notice if there was any inflammation or caseation (cottage cheese looking stuff, lol)? The foamy mucus could indicate problems other than respiratory infection - including cardiac or gastrointestinal problem (including endoparasites), but without seeing it....
Pretty much all you can do for her at this point is increase the temperature and hope for the best. You might want to consider housing the male separately until you this is resolved and the enclosure is disinfected.
 
wow I just realized how fat they look in that pic. They've never been overweight. Actually my male was when he was rescued. But his weight was brought back down to normal, though since then he's always been on the chunky side. here's a better pic of them. top one is my female, the bottom two is the male. They both gent handled if not every day every other day depending on their. Mood, sometimes they like to just be left alone and not be botherd.
 

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Where did you move the enclosure to? Somewhere near a window or door; or away from a window that got direct sunlight? Foamy mucus definitely isn't a good thing - I wouldn't try to diagnose without seeing it first hand, though. The temps you quoted - were they guesstimates, or actual thermometer readings (sorry, but I DO have to ask). The cool side is fine, but the basking area needs to be warmer...try to get it up another 20 degrees (no, I'm not kidding).
Significant weight loss over the course of a few days is unusual in a healthy animal - even sick ones tend to drop slowly then seem to crash suddenly. I would guess that there is a combination of things going on, but barring physical exam anything I have to offer is strictly guesswork based upon the info you have given. I am reasonably sure she is dehydrated, probably has a respiratory infection, and possibly sepsis besides. When you had her mouth open, did you happen to notice if there was any inflammation or caseation (cottage cheese looking stuff, lol)? The foamy mucus could indicate problems other than respiratory infection - including cardiac or gastrointestinal problem (including endoparasites), but without seeing it....
Pretty much all you can do for her at this point is increase the temperature and hope for the best. You might want to consider housing the male separately until you this is resolved and the enclosure is disinfected.
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Oh no, you had it right. The female she had been a little weight gradually, and then she lost all that weight in 3 days. That's when I got worried, because my buddy said that that doesn't happen if they hibernate. And he said there should be no real reason.

But the heat/temp. The basking aread I guessed that number to be it where they lay. I do have one of the gel, sticky backed ones on that side of the tank but it's kinda close, so I didn't go by it. That says 98-100. But I dunno if that is what it is where they lay. I don't ahve one those laser therms. Though I want one. Lol. um the cool side has a regular round therm. that's velcro backed. that side usally stays about the same as the temp in the house. And I usually keep my house between 75-77. Um no, they weren't near the window. Though when it was warmer I would take them outside to lay on the sidewalk. But I moved them to my art room, from my living room. My living room was getting clutered, and I had finally gotten a "guys room" in my house. Lol. But I havn't used because I don't want to drag pathogens around the house and get my snakes sick. And I don't let my family go near the snakes right now witht he monitors sick.

But thanks for the advice... I will do what you said witht he temp. I do my best to take care of them. They mean the world to me.
 
oh and no cottage cheese stuff. Though her saliva was very thick and stringy. like she would have alot of strings of saliva stretched between her top and bottom jaw. And I've adminerstering water by syringe down her throat. I usually just let her bite down on it and then just squirt it slowly into her gullte and she swallows.
 
Art room - anything in there that could be suspect?
 
nope. Like I said I haven't gotten to use it yet. I don't even have my desk in there yet. I'm working on a portfolio to get my apprenticeship as a tattoo artist. So it's just pencils really, no paints or anything chemical.


But I do have some extraordinarily good good news. My male ate 2 large mice on his own, actually chased them down!!!! I literally jumped for joy lol. I'm not gay I swear.

But my female I think she is gaining some weight back. I wish I had a scale. I had them both on a liquefied dog food mix with the rep-cal calcium supplement last week... I think that might have done the trick. As far as weight is concerned. Does head jerking mean anything? Right before this happened, my female kinda had a jitter to her. a kinda shakiness. That buddy I mentioned said he thinks I just needed to give her a little more calcium. So I laced their water with some. Her shaking did improve, but that is when this happened. And both of them pooped today too. My males was still that clear ooey-gooey stuff, but my females was brown but a little runny. Should I keep it for the vet just in case she doesn't poop for me before then? If anything is in it will it be ok if I freeze it in a baggy?
 
Just so you know, until I can get a larger bulb for the basking area, I put a heating pad under the tank where the female likes to lay. One of those medical heating pads. I have it set on med. hi. it has a low, med. low, med hi, and hi setting. You think that's fine for right now? The store was all out of the large bulbs. And I'm sorry but I don't ahve 75-100 dollars to spend on of the really expensive ones or the ceramic heat emitter. I don't even know what it gonna cost me at the vert yet, and I gotta make sure I can get her treatment.
 
I'm not a big fan of those heating pads for herps, but I know a lot of people have used them. A lot of the newer ones shut themselves off after a preset amount of time (or so I have been told). Just be careful with it, we don't want you burning anything up :D
 
Lol, ya I don't want to cook 'em. And ya, mine has a built timer. It usually stays on for about 45 mins I think. Not sure. But I have a very very peculiar thing happen today. My "male", i put quots. because I'm not a vet or an expert but I have seen what I've always thought was averting. the two organ looking things popping out to the side, anyways... he defecated something extremly foul. Know what a raw liver looks like? Ya well, it dark dark bloody red, but solid. Well squishy really. Same texture and everything that a organ would be. Except it's shape. It was about 5 inches long. There was some blood but not an extroidinary amount. About the same you would get from a paper cut. But this thing looked like a blob of congealed blood. I cut it open to see if I could find out what it was. I thought maybe it was a mouse or two that was only partially digested, though I found no bones or organs inside this thing and it maintained it color through out.... please I hope you don't find me gross. I only did it out of concern and fear for my lizard. Things you will do for your animals... Jeez. And it stank to high heaven. Almost like dog poo. All I know it freaked me out.

Any ideas what so ever? Confused the hell outta me. There arn't any vets that will see him today. The ones I called were either closed or their emergency vet knew nothing about herps. Go figure... seems they're not as important as animals with fur.
 
Well I've got some sad news.... my female died this morning. I was tore up. She was my first herp. Well not really. My first one as an adult, without having to hide it from my parents or whatnot. She will be missed. She was surely loved here, and she will not be forgotten. Anyways, she is in peace now. Sleep well.
 
I'm sorry, thought not terribly surprised, to hear that. Hopefully, the male stays healthy. Good luck with him - depending on his behavior/appearance, it might be worth keeping that vet appointment
 
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