• Posted 12/19/2024.
    =====================

    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

    =====================
    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
    **************************************************
    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Can butterflies be posinous?

N

neatochickens27

New member
Joined
Nov 28, 2004
Messages
274
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Age
34
Location
Pennsylvania
Howdy..i should be getting my chameleon very soon and i was wondering if any buterflies can be posinous to chameleons.What about moths?Any info is appreciated..thanks a bunch.
 
well i dont know about poisonous but some butterflies eat toxic plants as catipillars and in turn when adult butterflies they ward off some predators with bright colors that indicate that they are foul tasting.......
 
monarchs can pack a nasty punch, and i would stay away from wild caught insects if I were you. But if wou want to go ahead, but stay away from the monarchs
 
I dont know I never feed them the moths, they eat them on their own. But better safe then sorry ya know.
 
Dave, there is no record of such

With regards to butterflies, moths, etc, being toxic. There certainly are the caterpillar stages of some that are exceedingly toxic, and capable of nasty stings via poisonous spines, to you or anything else. Chameleons show a remarkable ability to discriminate, usually avoiding the more brightly colored insects. There are few documented instances of any insect which is toxic being consumed by an unsuspecting lizard ... but a huge exception would be bearded dragons having no fear of consuming fireflies, with fatal results. It is a safe assumption that firefles are toxic to many lizards. I think you are OK with any moth or butterfly that your animal chooses to eat.

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
moth suppliers

Does anyone know of any companies that sell moths, or any other insects that are not crickets and suitable for sub-adult to adult chameleons? I was talking to a very well respected exotic veterinarian (Dr. Terry Campbell at CSU) and sees a fairly high caseload of chameleons. He said from his experience it seems very important to provide a wide variety of insects in their diet. All of the local pet stores here sell only crickets and meal or wax worms, which I have read are not terribly nutritious for chams.

-Julie
 
Howdy Julie,

http://www.mulberryfarms.com/
http://www.californiasilkworms.com/catalog/
http://www.silkwormwholesale.com/

http://www.blaberus.com/ try orange spotted or discoids
http://www.herpfood.com/
http://grubco.netstorekeeper.com/ get the big housefly larvae and hatch them.


There are a ton of places that sell feeders.

I use:
silkworms
superworms
orange spotted roaches (no smell no glass climbing)
madagascar hissing roaches (no smell but climb glass)
lobster roaches. ( full grown is still not too big. Cheap, climb glass, some tank odor but not bad.)
silkmoths
crickets


Once you get a roach colony established, you'll never have to buy another one again! Fort Collins is great weather to keep roaches under control. In the unlikely event that one should escape, the dry air or winter cold will finish them off. They're tropical...
 
Thanks

Dave,

Thanks for the info. I ordered some silk worms today and I plan to order some of the other insects you suggested as well. I think my chameleon will be very happy to have some variety in his diet.

-Julie
 
Howdy,

I hope you ordered some silkworm chow too. If not, got a Mulberry tree nearby? Those are the only things that silkworms will eat and survive. I finally found one a mile away. The owners were happy to let me trim it for them!

Here is a great site with a real good article on silkworms.

http://www.chameleonnews.com/weider.html

Besides the silkworm article, if you haven't already cruised this site, its chocked-full of tons of great info!! http://www.chameleonnews.com It's a chameleon keeper's dream.
 
silk worms

Dave,

I did order some silk worm chow with them. I agree that chameleonnews is a great site, but I don't think I've read the article about silk worms. Also, where do you get your house flies from? I found one place that sell "fly larvae," which I assume are maggots that become house flies, but they said that growing them into flies was a very complicated process. I remember reading somewhere that maggots are not good to feed to chameleons. I would assume this is because they could possibly be carriers of bacT given their diet. Do you know where to get adult house flies?

-Julie
 
Howdy,

Coincidently, I just ordered my first batch of flies (larvae) just a few hours ago! I ordered them from Grubco. I've heard mixed results with their larvae hatching. Some people said that they had batches that would never move past the larvae stage - then died. Others had pretty good success. I guess I be finding out soon enough. Some said that the recommended way to slow things down by keeping them in the frig only seemed to kill them - maybe too cold...
 
COanimalhouse said:
Dave,

... I remember reading somewhere that maggots are not good to feed to chameleons. I would assume this is because they could possibly be carriers of bacT given their diet. Do you know where to get adult house flies?

-Julie
Click to expand...
Howdy,

Forgot to comment... I think the problem is that maggots are meat eaters and that chameleons may likely swallow them whole and they could do damage down in there (I think that was from Ardith Arbate's booklet on feeders.) I also read (Linda Davison's book on chameleons) that if you are going to use them as a feeder then you have to poke holes in their "skin" to aid in their digestion(?)

I don't know of anyone supplying full grown flies other than fruit flies. I think it's "grow your own time..."

Dave Weldon
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top