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bannana blizzard of patternless?

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what do you guys think. i got her at a show and it
said bell blizzard on the tag. someone else thought
it was a patternless. now im thinking that to. im
going to the portland show in two weeks and im
getting a few males. any suggestions what to breed
her with in the future. thanks all of you have been
very helpfull recently. thank you
eric

heres her timeline of pics. her tail was a toothpick when i got her.

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look at that club now!
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her younger pic looks like a banana blizzard because when pattys are younger they have a weird looking pattern on them and her back is solid. and she looks young in the pic, but then her older pics look like a patty. sorry i couldnt help. ill keep thinking, if i come up with anyhting ill post again.
 
That's definately a blizzard and not a patternless. I haven't seen very many with that much yellow. I think that calling it a "bell blizzard" is a bit misleading. I always expect to see an albino blizzard rather than a bell line blizzard, but if that's how they're marketing them :shrug01: In any case, it's a cutey!

-Alice
 
thanks i got a patternless whic the tag said lutistic at the same time. he died shortly after i got him. i thought it was a female till he mated with my female albino. i swear one day it was a she and "poof" turned into a dude the next. great trick lol. i think the patternless was impacted but at times he got resl yellow and looked like her. thanks man

heres the patternless i had. he got real yellow at times.

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he deffinatly had something wrong with him. i tried my best but it was to late. i only had him two months.
 
those are some better photos. now i can safely say that is a banana bliz. the photo you showed me before looked like a patty but the younger photos do alot more to show its true background.....
 
hey funny seeing you here! lol please dont think i didnt belive you i just wanted a bunch of opinions. you know. thanks again. wow you guys are fast on the responses.
take care
 
Maybe het bell? It's certainly not an albino. I would say Blizzard for sure. I thought banana blizzards = blizzard x patternless?
 
A_Kendergirl said:
Maybe het bell? It's certainly not an albino. I would say Blizzard for sure. I thought banana blizzards = blizzard x patternless?
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The Bells who produced the first Bell albinos also breed blizzards. People who have purchased blizzards from them or who have produced blizzards from their stock occasionally market them as "bell blizzards". They're just normal blizzards; I can see what they're saying, but it's really confusing!

Way back when Prehistoric Pets announced that they'd produced a Banana blizzard by breeding blizzard patternless double hets. The Bananas were distinguished from blizzards as hatchlings by their yellow coloration and dark head. It was later realized that the "Banana" was actually just a yellow blizzard and it didn't have patternless genes. In the mean time, everyone who hatched out a yellow blizzard seemed to be calling it a Banana and assuming that their stock had patternless genes.

Yellow blizzards quickly became synonymous with Banana whether or not they had patternless genes. The idea of a patternless blizzard rapidly seemed to lose appeal as it became apparent that they were very difficult to distinguish from regular blizzards. Kelli Hammack is the only person I know of who has a true Banana. If you do a search, you may be able to turn up a pic.

-Alice
 
Thanks for that wonderful info Alice! I'm going to go and do a search to see...
 
I have a similar issue with two of my geckos, sold to me as blizzards but have had many people tell me that they were patternless... Kelli Hammack has confirmed to me that SHE believes them to be banana blizzards, but the only way I will know for sure is through breeding.

Unfortunatly I won't know this year, the female laid 3 clutchs in her first season, the first two proved to be infertile, the other 4 eggs looked to be doing well but I had a power outage disaster while out of town and lost ALL the eggs I had in the incubator... but thats another story.

In looking at your pic timeline, the first pic, which seems to show a juvey gecko, though I guess it could just be underwieght, I am leaning towards blizzard. Again, the only way to know for sure would be to breed her and prove her out!
 
The only true "Banana Blizzards" (at least that is what they were said to be) ive ever seen were little yellow Patties w/ greyish purplish Blizzard heads as babies . Like you got the top half of a Blizz and the rest of a Patty .LOL

That one looks to have a Blizzard head and Patternless body to me .
 
thanks. what should i breed her with next year to "proove her out"
another blizzard?
 
The best way to know for sure (even though it does look patternless) would be to breed to both Patternless and Blizzard . May have a hard time with that being a Female :hehe:

Since a majority here say it is a Patternless , you could just breed to a Blizzard .But that wouldnt be proving it 100% .
 
groovygeckos said:
Since a majority here say it is a Patternless , you could just breed to a Blizzard .But that wouldnt be proving it 100% .
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Not sure what you've been reading, but most of the posts I've read say Blizzard.

You could always breed to a blizzard this year, and to a Patty next year. That you you know for sure if it's a true Banana Blizzard, or just a yellow Blizzard.
 
shes still young i wouldnt want to put the stress on her. i got her sometime early spring and she was young. what age would be good to start breeding them at.
i have a leo over 2 years and has never laid an egg. is it the male presence that would trigger them to start being able to lay eggs?

im gonna get some new little friends next week at the portland show. im probally gonna get a patty,blizzy,and a ct or something . im all bummed out cause one of my chameleons died unexpectedly today. i got a new male to breed her with and she past this afternoon.
 
Sorry about your chameleon and I would say breed her to a blizzard for her first year of breeding!
 
Maybe no one else caught this, but i have to comment-
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"he died shortly after i got him. i thought it was a female till he mated with my female albino. i swear one day it was a she and "poof" turned into a dude the next."
Do you quarentine any of your reptiles? Your talking aobut how skinny this one or that one was when you got it and you only had it a short time, but long enough to breed it...which means it was with another one....and you aren't sure why it died....

and then your cham fell over dead...

Not knocking you, but I am thinking that maybe, before you rush out to buy more reptiles to "Breed" you should spend the money and time to take care of those you have and make sure they are healthy before getting into breeding. And if nothing else, QUARENTINE....I can't stress that enough. If it is looking sickly when you buy it...well...you shouldn't be buying a stick thin tailed Leo, but if you do, don't toss them in with others...it is just asking for something to go runnin' rampant through your colony....
It really would be worth it in the long run to educate yourself on husbandry, quarentining and all that before getting into breeding...you said you think the patty that died after breeding was impacted? Are you keeping them on sand/calci sand? If you are that tells me you haven't really looked into proper care....Again not knocking you as we all started out somewhere....just ask lots of questions but know your info, and your animals before you go bringing more into this world.
 
ShannanD25 said:
Maybe no one else caught this, but i have to comment-
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"he died shortly after i got him. i thought it was a female till he mated with my female albino. i swear one day it was a she and "poof" turned into a dude the next."
Do you quarentine any of your reptiles? Your talking aobut how skinny this one or that one was when you got it and you only had it a short time, but long enough to breed it...which means it was with another one....and you aren't sure why it died....

and then your cham fell over dead...

Not knocking you, but I am thinking that maybe, before you rush out to buy more reptiles to "Breed" you should spend the money and time to take care of those you have and make sure they are healthy before getting into breeding. And if nothing else, QUARENTINE....I can't stress that enough. If it is looking sickly when you buy it...well...you shouldn't be buying a stick thin tailed Leo, but if you do, don't toss them in with others...it is just asking for something to go runnin' rampant through your colony....
It really would be worth it in the long run to educate yourself on husbandry, quarentining and all that before getting into breeding...you said you think the patty that died after breeding was impacted? Are you keeping them on sand/calci sand? If you are that tells me you haven't really looked into proper care....Again not knocking you as we all started out somewhere....just ask lots of questions but know your info, and your animals before you go bringing more into this world.
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Thats a good point. I was going to state that but I am a nice person and hate telling people they are doing something wrong.
 
i had 2 from a friend and had got 3 more at a show and kept those 3 together. i didnt really no to qurentine them at the time. in the month that they were together i checked them and i swear they were females then she layed 2 eggs. the male had died before she laid. no i dont use the sand, i use papertowels i wasnt looking to breed them anytime soon. it happened by accident. i still dont plan on breeding for a while anyway but am trying to make the best of it and hatch the eggs.

now, my chameleons are very healthy and i dont know how much you know about chameleons but they can die very easy. i had her for a year and if i didnt know how to take care of her she would have died within 2 or 3 months. she had some kind af heart attack or something when i picked her up. heres a link to the story before you jump to concutions. heres a little proof of my healthy chams. plus all my leos are healthy and my iguana
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