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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

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Allen from Reptile Kingdom, in New Jersey, Beware

Like I said, you'll get paid. I never said I agreed with the practices, I never said I believed whatever reasons/excuses were given. I simply said you would get paid an Al is a good guy, which he is if anyone has the chance to speak with him. Other than that I was trying to help you out with the Paypal info, I stated that if you change the deal, you should incurr any costs. Also I stated I would personally never deal with you again if you handled yourself in such a way with me. I will add that I understand that you would be ticked off by a delay in payment, but it looks like it will be about a 2 week delay. I personally wouldn't sweat a 2 week delay.

I suppose my problem with this thread is in a nutshell my problem with alot of threads on this BOI which end up as flame-fests. No one reads a good guy thread, as those are 2 or 3 pages long max but a bad guy thread will run hundreds. It just kind of makes the whole process a joke. I'd be willing to bet the way these threads came up there are at least a few people would judge you in the wrong just by your tone. I don't know Allen personally enough to know if he was really sick, or if his Dad is really ill, or any of it, but what if he was and some raving madman was blowing up his phone, emails, and the internet after a delay which most won't judge to be that big. I think we should all be more professional in how we handle ourselves here and maybe this BOI will get some respect back that it has lost because of it's users.
 
monkeywrench133 said:
Adam, Since Al is apparently a friend of yours, or at least a well respected acquaintance, let me propose a simple solution to all this:

Why don't you pay Chris the $1500 that Al owes him, and then you can collect from Al?

Shouldn't be a problem if you're that sure Al is good for it. :shrug01:
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The funny thing is that if I had the funds I could probably collect with no issues after Hamburg this Saturday. Which is also when I will bet the money will go through. IT's also amusing that I state he is a guy who works the same shows that I do that I talk to on a regular basis that I that I think is a nice guy and have never heard anyone say that had a problem with him paying to a friend or well respected acquaintance. Did you read the thread? I bet you didn't read the first one, because it was deleted.
 
the whole reason this was brought to this forum was he simply could not return a phone call or email. period. all he had to do was say man im a little strapped for cash right now, can you give me a little more time. thats all im reasonable. but instead he played duck and dodge, now its personal and i want my money now, not after the show now. he wants to be a little punk and not make a simple call or email fine . but i will not be deterred in anyway shape or form i will get him or my money which ever comes first. :angry: :angry: :reddevil: :reddevil: :reddevil: :D :D
 
cyberfrog said:
The funny thing is that if I had the funds I could probably collect with no issues after Hamburg this Saturday. Which is also when I will bet the money will go through. IT's also amusing that I state he is a guy who works the same shows that I do that I talk to on a regular basis that I that I think is a nice guy and have never heard anyone say that had a problem with him paying to a friend or well respected acquaintance. Did you read the thread? I bet you didn't read the first one, because it was deleted.
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So are you implying that Al doesn't have the money currently? and won't until he sells Chris's dragons at the Hamburg show? That hardly sounds like a stand up guy to me since the check was supposed to be in the mail what? 10 days ago?

And yes, I have read this thread, and the one that was deleted, and the one that replaced it. Thanks for asking.
 
If someone owed me $1500 and IGNORED me for a week or two, I can assure you it would be a big deal. Dismissing it with the quit whining, you'll get paid eventually attitude is insulting. Allen apparently has the "you'll get paid when I'm good and ready...maybe" attitude and for you, Adam, to defend his character and blow this off like it's not a big deal, speaks volumes.

You mentioned that "Al is a good guy, which he is if anyone has the chance to speak with him.", but I have this thing about ignoring what people say, and instead, watching their actions. Allen's actions suck! I don't care if people have gotten paid. I do care about the hoops he has made them jump through in order to do so. Glad I steered clear of this oxygen thief!
 
A. Against paypal TOS to charge the buyer.
B. If he wanted it that way, he should deal with it.
C.If you want to be that much of a pain in the ass to a guy who took 41 dragons off your hands at a price you evidently liked, good luck finding that again. I certainly wouldn't deal with you.


I'm astounded by your optimism, or maybe your ignorance. I don't know which it is, but the way you conveyed this "policy", it's almost as if Paypal employees: 1) have any involvement in the transactions; 2) care.

It's all automated, and Paypal will be damned if they're going to get involved with disputes. Even their dispute system (it's a joke) is organized by automated programming, hiding the actual contact emails of anyone who could actually facilitate a problem (let's say for a second someone checked a sum of money exchanged between two parties, and somewhere in the notes/details of the transaction the words "include 3% extra for the fee Paypal will charge me with" -- the only way someone at the company would even come close to figuring out a breach of the "policy" appear) so well, you become more frustrated with Paypal's lack of involvement in the situation that you forget about the original problem.

My point is, it looks like you're looking for some reason for Chris to get screwed more over than he already has. Sure he handled it a bit irrationally posting over multiple threads, but since when are you the decider of whose money belongs where? I merely suggested he ask for it on Paypal. Deciding to do it on Paypal [with its possible fees -- bear in mind I don't actually know, nor have I claimed to know the status of Chris' actual Paypal account type] can have its repercussions on Allen for waiting so long to pay, and frankly, this sounds like something he does often. Promises money for things he doesn't have the money for...yet.

EVEN IF he did have pneumonia; his father was near-death; and the check was rebounded in the mail -- none are excuses for not paying/not having the proper address, and not answering. If he wasn't 'up to it' to answer the phone because he was sick (as per the email Chris cited a couple pages ago), he had a wife to answer, which apparently Chris has talked to. Dodging emails and phone calls when you've got a $1500 debt is short of classy or responsible.

Allen's alleged problems (assuming for one moment that any of the various forms of an excuse were true, which I don't believe for a moment they are) are HIS problems. Chris does not need to lend a patron saint hand out and say, "hey, I'll take the money whenever you have it." He COULD, but he's certainly not at all obligated. He held up his end of the deal, and Allen did not.
 
you know there are a couple of things i could of done with more taste i guess. but the bottom line is he ignored me until he saw this thread. then said he would send another check. when i told him to do pay pal instead, he went mia again. i must have foiled his plans to use another bogus check to stall for more time. man up allen, pay up allen. more and more people are seeing how you do buisness. :shootfoot
 
captnemo said:
If someone owed me $1500 and IGNORED me for a week or two, I can assure you it would be a big deal. Dismissing it with the quit whining, you'll get paid eventually attitude is insulting. Allen apparently has the "you'll get paid when I'm good and ready...maybe" attitude and for you, Adam, to defend his character and blow this off like it's not a big deal, speaks volumes.

You mentioned that "Al is a good guy, which he is if anyone has the chance to speak with him.", but I have this thing about ignoring what people say, and instead, watching their actions. Allen's actions suck! I don't care if people have gotten paid. I do care about the hoops he has made them jump through in order to do so. Glad I steered clear of this oxygen thief!
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I will have to say again that you hear what you want to hear and nothing will ever change it. Yet another person puts words in my mouth and makes this ever the more rediculous. Show me when and where I defended his actions? Please.
 
This is starting to get off topic (partially my fault), but I have never claimed you defended his actions. You defended his character and seemed to shrug of the fact that he has made several people wait an unreasonable amount of time for payment.

I would be less likely to take issue with you if you had acknowledged wrongdoing on his part regarding slow payment(even if you said..'I don't know what's going on, but this isn't like him'). And not to nit pick, but please provide the quote where I put words in your mouth, as I can't seem to find it.
 
captnemo said:
This is starting to get off topic (partially my fault), but I have never claimed you defended his actions. You defended his character and seemed to shrug of the fact that he has made several people wait an unreasonable amount of time for payment.

I would be less likely to take issue with you if you had acknowledged wrongdoing on his part regarding slow payment(even if you said..'I don't know what's going on, but this isn't like him'). And not to nit pick, but please provide the quote where I put words in your mouth, as I can't seem to find it.
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Pasted from my post on page 17:

"Like I said, you'll get paid. I never said I agreed with the practices, I never said I believed whatever reasons/excuses were given. I simply said you would get paid"

That about cover it for you? I'm not throwing a guy I've known even admittedly in a casual form for a lot of years and have never heard of anyone who didn't get paid by up on a cross to pacify the delicate sensibilities of the BOI keyboard warriors whose main purpose in life seems to be to smear and trash anyone who doesn't agree with said delicate sensibilities. I live and do my reptile business in the real world, face to face. This alone solves 90% of the problems that arise on this board. I do understand some people don't have the want or need to go out and do the show circuit, which is fine. Either way it doesn't give you the right to judge ME based on the fact that I said something you didn't agree with. I NEVER stated that I thought Allen was in the right, I stated the way Memnoch acted alot of people might decide again him(Memnoch) base soley upon his tone. I also stated the above quote, also not taking Al's side. I also tried to help Memnoch avoid possible Paypal drama. Finally I stated my OPINION that the guy would get paid, my OPINION that Al is a nice guy, and my OPINION on what is or is not a reasonable delay. I wouldn't worry over a couple of weeks, but Memnoch would and has, fair enough.
At this point if Memnoch understands my points, I am done with this thread. I came here into these threads trying to reassure the guy and this crap happens.
 
Either way it doesn't give you the right to judge ME based on the fact that I said something you didn't agree with.

He doesn't have the right to judge you based on what you said -- the only real insight he'd get as to who you are and/or what you're about? Wow. Thank goodness you've [dis]empowered us from judging people based on their beliefs. You know, that thing that sets the basis for social interaction? Forming opinions about other people? Well I guess you're the exception to that rule:

I NEVER stated that I thought Allen was in the right, I stated the way Memnoch acted alot of people might decide again him(Memnoch) base soley upon his tone.

I hate to make assumptions, but I'm going to assume you meant "against him" when you said "again him". So you're allowed to judge his actions, but we aren't allowed to judge yours? People live in glass houses...
 
well no response from allen, i guess the next step is to contact kingsnake about his adds. they take fraud pretty serious....................



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cyberfrog said:
Pasted from my post on page 17:

"Like I said, you'll get paid. I never said I agreed with the practices, I never said I believed whatever reasons/excuses were given. I simply said you would get paid"

That about cover it for you? I'm not throwing a guy I've known even admittedly in a casual form for a lot of years and have never heard of anyone who didn't get paid by up on a cross to pacify the delicate sensibilities of the BOI keyboard warriors whose main purpose in life seems to be to smear and trash anyone who doesn't agree with said delicate sensibilities. I live and do my reptile business in the real world, face to face. This alone solves 90% of the problems that arise on this board. I do understand some people don't have the want or need to go out and do the show circuit, which is fine. Either way it doesn't give you the right to judge ME based on the fact that I said something you didn't agree with. I NEVER stated that I thought Allen was in the right, I stated the way Memnoch acted alot of people might decide again him(Memnoch) base soley upon his tone. I also stated the above quote, also not taking Al's side. I also tried to help Memnoch avoid possible Paypal drama. Finally I stated my OPINION that the guy would get paid, my OPINION that Al is a nice guy, and my OPINION on what is or is not a reasonable delay. I wouldn't worry over a couple of weeks, but Memnoch would and has, fair enough.
At this point if Memnoch understands my points, I am done with this thread. I came here into these threads trying to reassure the guy and this crap happens.
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Adam I do believe everyone understands your point.But everyone has their own view on this transaction. Alan needs to make this right....now. Nobody should have to wait for payment unless it was agreed upon. Alan is starting to get a bad reputation all by his own actions. Its sad because I have never had one bad deal with him. After this last payment delay I would never send him a penny again.
 
well heres the latest line of excuses :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: get over allen pay up, the only threat i made on the phone was of legal ones you know it i know it . so you guys decide this was after i told him i was contacting kingsnake. which i will do if theres no money in the accouont today.... From: [email protected] Add Mobile Alert
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:02:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Message about: WANTED : Bearded Dragons
To: [email protected]
First of all there were no lies whether you choose to believe that or not, 2nd of all i don't feel i need to give you my fathers medical records and lastly i do not appreciate verbal threats left on my voice mail. Do you think all of this makes someone want to pay you at all. If you were a real business in the real world you would not get paid for 30-60 days from a company. I understand your concern and have every intention of paying you, however after dragging my business through the mud over and over makes me wonder what kind of person you really are. You think that no one can have medical problems or other issues, everyone is out to get you....man are you paranoid. I do not have a paypal account because a real scam artist beat me for over $3000 so my account is frozen so the fraudulent payment i took can be investigated. I will see if i can use someone elses paypal to send you the money.

this was my e mail response........ why dont you use your wifes, thats how you finally paid mindy after lyin ,stalling , and doing the same thing to her. you can use a credit card through pay pal, you can have your wife transfer money from an account through paypal. there are a hundred ways you can do this .... your just stalling as you have been for weeks now. your just diggin a deeper hole allen. why wont you return phone calls , why wont you answer the phone... i know why and so does everyone else. allen of [email protected]
 
first off your medical problems are your problems, period. i dont care who the hell is sick. not my problem. second you said payment on delivery not 3 weeks later with every lie in the book to go with it. 3rd... why dont you post on the board here???? ill tell you why cause you know your wrong , and everyone here will tell you that. you cant even answer the phone, or call someone back. you dont want to talk to me call stephanie. oh i forgot your deathly ill with pnuimonia, and bronchitis :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: your well enough to get on the computer though. pay up allen..
 
well allen you have been caught in another lie..... your paypal account is fine............About Reptile Kingdom:

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now that i know, and everyone else knows you lied about your paypal account im curious to know why theres no money in my account. wait im on the edge of my seat for the next lie..... ALLEN OF reptilekingdom.
 
well allen finally answered the phone today, i gave him till friday to make good. hopefully he will keep his word, and i can post positive results friday. we shall see. :yesnod:
 
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