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What is the most expensive ball python morph?

Well...

Forgot who sold it but a Lecuy was solk for 80k. I believe morph king was offered something like 115k but refused! Their prices will drop steadily (not like spiders) but quickly. There are so many combo's that produce them they won't stay hot for that long. People want morphs they can combine. A leucy is the end of the line.
 
You forgot that an albino lucy would be cool! Not to mention because all the lucys seems to be co dom the possibilities there.

jlexotics said:
Forgot who sold it but a Lecuy was solk for 80k. I believe morph king was offered something like 115k but refused! Their prices will drop steadily (not like spiders) but quickly. There are so many combo's that produce them they won't stay hot for that long. People want morphs they can combine. A leucy is the end of the line.
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I plan on investing in ball python morphs but I'm affraid that I won't be able to sell them. I just want to know if I'm going to be able to sell a 5,000, 10,000, 20,000 dollar snake. If so, that would be great.
 
If I were you, I would buy a cheaper morph or two, breed and sale those. Be sure you can and want to handle that many snakes. Build your reputation, and THEN get into some of the more expensive morphs. If you have the morph, and it's worth $10,000, then yes, it will eventually sale. Without having a good reputation, it's going to be HARD to sell the hets for more than a normals price.

Buy a good camera, and look into microchipping the animals as well, for extra buyer protection.
 
Why look for the most expensive one? They will drop in price steadily anyway until the market stabilizes. Albinos are an excellent example of that. First genetically proven morph, price has slowly come down to the $2000-3000 range right now, but since the price drop seems to have slowed it would appear it is becoming a more stable market. Pastels, being a "co-dom" have come down at a quicker rate, but also show signs of stabilizing soon, and the males price will probably stabilize around $500 with females being higher. If *I* had the money, I would invest in pieds and hypos. Pieds because they have the "Oh, cool!" factor, and hypos because everyone wants to cross it with something else. (Although I like hypos, especially orange hypos, just by themselves!) Bottom line would be "Find what YOU like, and breed to suit yourself first and foremost." These are living creatures, not hunks of metal or rock. Appreciate them for what they are.
 
another one is...

amir has a ivory ball python for 100,000
 
There have been Regius sold for 100k plus. and NO, you will not beable to sell them for that.

I can't help but think you have no business working with these creatures. There is no reason to ask questions of this nature. If you like these animals, then breed normals, if that works find a morph that catches your eye.

If you have a passion for a certian animal, then you will be more likely to be successful. If your looking for fast money, you will fail.

Just my thoughts.........
 
Al, I actually agree with you on this subject :) You do realize you are raining on his get-rich-quick-by-investing-in-ball-pythons dream, don't you? There goes my "buy his collection in 5 years" scheme, ya done let the cat out of the bag there!

Hey Jon, for the record, I have 16 BPs, 14 of which are about as normal as I can figure, almost half found in pet stores :) Each one has a name, and its own quirks and personality. Get one normal, fall in love with it, then worry about whether you want to breed.
Again: Bottom line would be "Find what YOU like, and breed to suit yourself first and foremost." These are living creatures, not hunks of metal or rock. Appreciate them for what they are.
 
Hey Jon, for the record, I have 16 BPs, 14 of which are about as normal as I can figure, almost half found in pet stores Each one has a name, and its own quirks and personality.
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Same here, they all have names and personalities that vary greatly. I also have a great number of normals which I am very attatched to.
 
See how a simple question turns into nothing but negative responses. I'm 17 years old and have been keeping and breeding reptiles since I was 10. I've bred cornsnakes, kingsnakes, Brazilian Rainbow Boas, and bearded dragons. No I have not bred ball pythons but have raised them very sucessfully as I have many other reptiles. I know its hard to respect whats coming out of my mouth and what I have done or can do because I'm so young, but the only thing I will ever do for a living is in someway keep, breed, teach reptiles as well as other animals. I just wanted to know about the ball python morphs because it is something I will get into, I just don't when. And no, I am not going to buy the most expensive one. I probably will begin breeding normal balls until I fully understand it then move up to the morphs. No hard feelings, I see where you all are coming from.

Thanks for the replies, Jon
 
Jon, we didn't have all that to go on, just yet another person wanting to know what the best morph to invest in was. Read the forums and you will see it is a common theme: "I've heard X morph was sold for $xxx.xx is this a good investment for me to get into?" And there are more than enough people in all species of snake that are just in it for the money. Those of us who would have the critters even if there wasn't all this money in them tend to see these questions a lot. I haven't been in BPs long, but I have seen it enough to where just blindly asking about the money is starting to grate on my nerves.

As for the age thing, yeah you have some growing to do, but it sounds like you are off to a good start. Comport yourself well and people will see past that and look to character.
 
All snakes sell eventually. Dont be greedy though. with 20k to start off with you would want to start off with lower end morphs such as pastels and albinos thats $1500-$3500 depending. I would buy 2.1 pastel, 2.1 albino and the rest goes into hatchling normal females. You can get a fair price of $100 each for 10 or something like that.


CK
 
I think the logic is that with 2.1 of various morphs and several normal females, he can produce a few homozygous animals and also have several hets.

Whether that is a good approach or not, I don't know.
 
With 1.2 he can still breed the male morphs to the normals and he can then also try for supers and even crosses.
 
Your not seeing what im getting at....... If you buy 1.2 of each morph you will need more males..... So the logic would be to get 2.1 albino (breed the 1.1 albinos then breed the albino males to normal females) and then do the same with the pastels..... 4.10 would be a pretty good idea (2.0 albino males, 2.0 pastel males, 0.1 albino female,0.1 pastel female, 0.8 normal females)

Would do that.....

CK
 
Cham keeper said:
Your not seeing what im getting at....... If you buy 1.2 of each morph you will need more males..... So the logic would be to get 2.1 albino (breed the 1.1 albinos then breed the albino males to normal females) and then do the same with the pastels..... 4.10 would be a pretty good idea (2.0 albino males, 2.0 pastel males, 0.1 albino female,0.1 pastel female, 0.8 normal females)

Would do that.....

CK
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Why not just breed one male to the female morph AND the normal females? Why exactly do you need the extra male?

-adam
 
Ok, In the long run your going to get more females, right? But if have have 4 males to 16 females or 20 females you have 1 male to 4-5 females. I just feel that if you dont have enough males you wont be able to breed all your females and thats a set back so get enough males the first year as well as as many more females you can afford and keep getting a couple females every year as well as 4 males every 3 years. In no way am I forcing you to do it my way but this is just the way im going to do it when I get there.....


CK


CK
 
Cham keeper said:
Ok, In the long run your going to get more females, right?
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And in the long run you can also produce additional males if you need them. Since males are sexually mature generally in half the time that females are, you can hold back an extra male or two or however many every other year if you need them.

I've never met a ball python breeder that had a shortage of males. It's always the other way around.

Like Vince said ... "Girls, Girls, Girls!" .... You can never ever have enough.

-adam
 
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