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Does inbred and line bred mean the same thing? Thanks for your replies.
 
Inbreeding is breeding related geckos together. Examples: sister to brother, brother to mother, etc. Line bred is the same as selectively bred. This means geckos with a certain desired trait are bred together. They can be related or not. Both terms are along the same line but different. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks Cody

Thanks Cody that really is very helpful. And simple too! I am trying to do as much research as possible before I start breeding. Thanks for responding. I don't know if I just post at the wrong times or what but it seems like I get very few replies. I was thinking no one was going to answer this time. I can tell by everyones posts that it is not because people are mean or rude here. On the contrary, everyone here is very helpful and informative. I fiqured it must have been something I was doing, I don't think I made anyone mad so fiqured it must be because I usually post in the middle of the night. My posts must just get lost in the incoming mail.:bandhead0 :shrug01:
 
Actually linebreeding is not the same as selective breeding. Selective breeding is breeding any animals together to achieve some sort of goal (similar animals to get similar looking offspring, or even 2 animals with different traits attempting to get the best out of both). Linebreeding on the other hand is breeding animals with similar lineage...so basically if you have a pedigree with a lot of an animals ancestors listed, you will find names in the pedigree more than once. I'll make something up as an example...lol


..........................King
...............Duke<
............./............Queen
Prince<
.............\................King
..............Duchess<
...............................Princess

In the example King is Prince's grandparent on both sides of his pedigree. It can go farther back than that and often also includes multiple repeated names. Inbreeding is included under the definition of linebreeding, so you have to be careful with some breeders who say they linebreed...but generally linebreeding is not a very negative thing.
 
I think I got it, Am I close?

Ummm Riverjop, really cute smilies but I havn't got a clue what you were trying to say.it.:slamit: :slamit:

Thanks Christina, I think I got what your saying. let me give a couple examples of what I think I am hearing.

Linebred=

--------------------------------Joe Tang
---------Bob Tang het Jungle<
--------------------------/------Sue Jungle
Dream Jungle Tang
--------------------------\-----Sam Tang
----------Bill Jungle het tang<
--------------------------------Sue Jungle
Can use some of the same lizards, or all different lizards, but not ever breeding relatives to each other directly.

Inbred=

--------------------------------Joe Tang
---------Bob Tang het Jungle<
--------------------------/------Sue Jungle
Dream Jungle Tang
--------------------------\-----Bob Tang het Jungle
----------Bill Jungle het tang<
--------------------------------Sue Jungle
Breeding relatives directly to each other ie parents to offspring, or siblings to each other, or even 1/2 siblings (sharing one parent)


Selective Bred=

-------------------------------- Tang1
--------- Tang het Jungle<
--------------------------/------ Jungle1
Jungle Tang
--------------------------\-----Tang2
----------Jungle het tang<
--------------------------------Jungle2
Leos 1 and 2 may or may not be the same lizard. Can utilize either line or inbreeding tactics to achieve a specific goal or characteristic such as color or size.
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Am I close??:D :crazy03: :dancer01: :bow01: :bow01:
 
hehe...you're getting there! :) Linebreeding includes inbreeding...so breeding back to parents or with siblings or half-siblings is both inbreeding and linebreeding. Linebreeding however goes much farther than just inbreeding, and respectable breeders will try to use actual inbreeding as little as possible when linebreeding. Let me try going a little farther back with a linebreeding diagram (these things never work right on here...lol)

------------------------------------------------------------Sam Tang
----------------------------------------------Joe Tang<
----------------------------------------------/-------------Anna Tang
-------------------------Bob het Tang Jungle<
------------------------/---------------------\--------------Bill Jungle
-----------------------/---------------------Sue Jungle<
Dream Jungle Tang<--------------------------------------Chloe Jungle
-----------------------\-------------------------------------Harry Tang
------------------------\---------------------Sam Tang<
-------------------------Jill het Jungle tang<---------------Janet Tang
--------------------------------------------\----------------Billy Jungle
---------------------------------------------Gypsy Jungle<
---------------------------------------------------------------Chloe Jungle

(technically those labeled het aren't really because tangerine and jungle are NOT simple recessive genes...well...jungle supposedly isn't...tangerine definitely isn't)

You can see that Chloe and Sam are both in Dream's pedigree twice, but no one is directly related (though they could be and it would still be considered linebreeding). The key thing to remember is that inbreeding is always linebreeding, but linebreeding is not always inbreeding.

Oh...and you have selective breeding dead on! :D
 
Hmmm So then...

If Bob and Dream were both exactly what I had been trying to produce I could breed them directly to each other and it would be Line, In, and selective breeding. Since I choose to be a reputable breeder I would chose to either breed Bob to a female that was not directly related but as close as I could find to Dream. Do the same with dream and a male then breed those offspring together...OR... after breeding them to each other, then outcross the off spring and moniter the results to make sure undesirable traits were not becoming prominate in the line.

Also tang and jungle are not het because they are color/pattern morphs?
 
lol...sounds like you've got it to me! :) With tang and jungle, a lot of breeders believe that it is a recessive trait, though not necessarily entirely recessive, as some "hets" will show a few traits. I personally choose not to say het since it is still somewhat controversial. Tangerine on the other hand is not a simple trait at all. Tangerine involves many different genes. Tangerine has been selectively bred to bring out more color generation to generation and therefore there may be hundreds of genes involved...some being dominant and some recessive causing the final coloration.
 
Woo-Hoo!!!

Awesome, I get it!! :spinner03 So my helpful friend would you answer a couple more questions please. please. :bow01: Are patternless or banana blizzards recessive? And just to be sure I am asking what I think I'm asking, will breeding them to a normal produce hets? :shrug01: There was a female at the pet store a while back (it's 70 miles one way to the store :bolt01: ) that was one of the above. I am not sure how to tell the two apart. :shrug01: Anyway, my mom sent me 50 for my B-day, and my hubby gave me his half of the 50 she sent us for our aniversary last month, so if she is still there I will probably buy her and a uth for my other tank. that way I can get in the full 90 day quaratine period before breeding season comes up. Is a different cage enough or should they be in seperate rooms too :bow01: :bow01: :bow01: Thanks for helping a newbie get started.
 
The patternless is a recessive trait and a banana blizzard is the result of two recessive traits. If you breed a normal to a patternless all the offspring will be 100% het (meaning they carry the patternless gene) and will look normal. To be honest I don’t know what you’d get breeding a normal to a banana blizzard. I don’t work with them but I guess I need to take some genetics classes or something. LOL.

As far as quarantining I usually put them in a separate room. It’s probably over kill but with the amount of geckos I have I don’t want to chance anything. Some people go as far as putting them in separate buildings. As long as you keep everything clean (especially your hands) and have separate utilities for each there shouldn’t be a problem.
 
As Cody said , patternless is a simple recessive trait, and true banana blizzards are a combination of 2 simple recessive traits, so they are double recessive. Banana blizzards are both patternless and blizzard (I think that's right anyway...). Breeding a normal to either a patternless or banana blizzard will give you normal appearing hets. You have to watch out though, cause some people will sell yellow colored blizzards as banana blizzards when they have no patternless genes.

As far as quarantine, listen to Cody...I don't have much experience...I've only had leos since January...I just happen to find genetics interesting and took a course in it last year :)
 
Christina,
Bananas are produced from a patternless to blizzard breeding. I just wasn’t sure about breeding one to a normal. I don’t know if the offspring would be het for patternless or blizzard because it’s two recessive traits or if the offspring would be het for banana and carry both genes. I guess I better stop talking before this gets too confusing. :D
 
lol...the offspring would be het for both...but saying het for banana blizzard would be misleading as it makes it sound like it's one gene and if you bred the hets together you'd get normals and banana blizzards only, when in truth you would get normals, blizzards, patternless, AND banana blizzards in a ratio of 9:3:3:1 respectively since the traits are not connected in any way (at least not that I'm aware of...). Does that make it too confusing??...lol :eek:
 
Thanks. I’m following you and it makes sense now. I just wasn’t sure as I don’t work with any of them so I couldn’t tell you from experience. :)
 
I don't work with them either...but from what I've heard about the genetics that should be how it works :)
 
Thanks Cody and Christina

I was away from the 'puter for a couple days and came back to find your interesting discussion. The person at the pet store has no idea what she is. I just know she looks like the pics I have seen of the banana blizzards and the patternless both, except that her tail is yellow too. She is one solid color of yellow. All the pics I saw had the patternless and the banana with lighter or white=ish tails. I wont be able to make the journey to see if shes still there for another month so it may all be mute anyway, except that I learned a huge amount about genetics. But she may be sold by then. Heck she may be sold already.
 
You’re welcome Cheryl. That’s what this board is here for so everyone can learn. :) By the sound of your description of it being solid yellow I would say it’s a patternless. You could always call the store and see if they have it. Just a thought…
 
Good idea

I was thinking about calling first anyway. If she is gone I may order something from one of you here. Maybe just get a good het or two. I am just having trouble with the shipping. I hate to spend money I don't have to. Many advantges to buying from you all though. Like knowing what you are getting for sure. And knowing the animal was properly cared for and healthy. Always having help available if I need it, Which I do anyway but you would actually know the animal. And I could get exactly what I want instead of settling for what they have. Only real disadvatage is that I pay the same as I would for one local, then add around $40 for shipping. So if I am going to buy on line I want to order as many as I can afford to help offset that cost. That means I have to save longer to buy more. But that would not be a bad thing either.
 
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