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    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

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As I bought from Vicki and Rob Dachui I thought it only right that I start this thread. It is me who is paying for the testing to get done. And it will officially be on their own thread if people are to inquire about them as opposed to Denise's thread.
Has anyone else bought Beardies from this company that has tested their animals of adeno or have had animals die or have been lied to?
The disclaimer on their site states clearly that they do not test their breeders or the babies before selling. :angry:
 
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Dachiu said:
Wes I have lied, did it before, probably do it again. Everything stated here is true.
You are trying to catch me in a lie now... for what? So that everything I say is a lie?
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The first of many statements that should be known to all.
 
Puppytoes : We have believed for a long time that this is wide-spread. The testing that is being done is certainly leaning that way. If you test an animal consistently, you will find it in most of the population. There are many other co-factors that play a major role in an animals health. There are too many healthy positive animals and until people stop solely focusing on adeno and start looking at co-factors - this will go nowhere.
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If you had known this for a long time I wish you would have let your customers know this BEFORE buying from you.
 
Wilomn said:
vicki, have you sold dragons that you knew had siblings or parents that were AV positive in the last year? In the last 2 years? In the last 3 years? In the last 4 years? How many times, if you have, have you sent shipments to jimd that had blood relatives that were AV positive? How about your other sales both to distributors as well as private parties? Were the buyers of infected animals, if any sales of such were made, EVER notified of the possible status of the lizards they purchased from you?
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Dachiu said:
Wes,

The answer would have to be no to all of your questions. We have not tested any of our breeders and it is posted on our web site that the babies are not tested.
Our animals are no different than they were 5 years ago - adeno or not.

I will say that our animals are no different than the rest of the country regarding adeno and based upon the positive rate returned with repetitive testing - I think it would be safe to say we’re positive too.

After almost 8 months of testing, there are still no adeno-tested negative babies for sale that I know of. It would seem people are having trouble getting it out small colonies?

We don’t even test our group - but through the repeated testing on positives we set up from - - out of the hundreds of breeders in the USA we can account for 5% of the USA total EM tests performed in Ill. since August. Seems to me that the majority - don’t test.
(these figures are pretty sad though, huh?)

Ps - We’ve also tested from a private source - a gecko… with “moderate’ levels found.
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More prevarication.
 
Rozann,

When did you buy from Vicki and did she disclose to you at that time that she thinks her colony may be infected with Adeno?
 
Oh, and while we're at it, maybe she can finally answer this:
just a couple things.
A) the attacks on me started on Friday, you didn't try to call my house until Sunday, so your conversations with Bobby could not have been influenced by the fact that I didn't return your call or my "silence" since you had made no attempt to contact me before you were already telling people I was avoiding you.
B) Even if there HAD been a message, and according to my voicemail there were not, I was NOT home when you attempted to call me, and one missed phone call does not equal avoidance.
C) you were asking people for my test results in January. Not my lab information, my test results. Why?

The attacks on me continued for 3 days before you ACTUALLY tried to call me, attacks that you provoked by convincing people that I was a scammer.
If you wanted my test results in January, you should have called me in January instead of trying to get them from someone else.
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I bought from her about 3 years ago and then one at 6 years. Never was I told that this virus existed nor was I ever notified by Dachui that this was happened.
I found out through Cheri about Adeno.
 
Dachui did not have any disclaimer about this at the time of purchase either. I would have inquired about it then.
 
Rumor has it she has been knowing about having the virus since 2002.
 
Vickie,

I just have to know. You say you feel there is a very good possibility that your breeders carry the Adeno virus. You also say you have a separate set of beardies that you know are positive that you are using for research.

You mean to tell me that you work with known Adeno infected dragons and have never taken the precaution to see if you have ever accidentally cross contaminated the two separate colonies? Call me crazy but I think any responsible researcher/breeder would be doing that on a regular interval.

Even curiosity never got the best of you in all these years to see if your breeders have it? Find that hard to believe. Every year I send fecal off to be tested whether my animals need it or not. So does almost everyone I know. Even many large scale breeders I have talked to at least send in a small percentage of their colonies each year. Yet the thought has never crossed your mind?
 
shrap said:
Vickie,

I just have to know. You say you feel there is a very good possibility that your breeders carry the Adeno virus. You also say you have a separate set of beardies that you know are positive that you are using for research.

You mean to tell me that you work with known Adeno infected dragons and have never taken the precaution to see if you have ever accidentally cross contaminated the two separate colonies? Call me crazy but I think any responsible researcher/breeder would be doing that on a regular interval.

Even curiosity never got the best of you in all these years to see if your breeders have it? Find that hard to believe. Every year I send fecal off to be tested whether my animals need it or not. So does almost everyone I know. Even many large scale breeders I have talked to at least send in a small percentage of their colonies each year. Yet the thought has never crossed your mind?
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Well that would not matter when your in it for the money.
 
shrap said:
Vickie,

I just have to know. You say you feel there is a very good possibility that your breeders carry the Adeno virus. You also say you have a separate set of beardies that you know are positive that you are using for research.

You mean to tell me that you work with known Adeno infected dragons and have never taken the precaution to see if you have ever accidentally cross contaminated the two separate colonies? Call me crazy but I think any responsible researcher/breeder would be doing that on a regular interval.

Even curiosity never got the best of you in all these years to see if your breeders have it? Find that hard to believe. Every year I send fecal off to be tested whether my animals need it or not. So does almost everyone I know. Even many large scale breeders I have talked to at least send in a small percentage of their colonies each year. Yet the thought has never crossed your mind?
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Originally Posted by Dachiu
Wes I have lied, did it before, probably do it again. Everything stated here is true.
 
for those that are just joining us,i will post this link starting with the page where dachiu posts the link to their adeno test results.plz,if you have any comments on this post them here not in the denise thread.thanks :) http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98003&page=67&pp=5 and here is the misleading disclaimer that dachiu has on their website:
- Due to the recent volume of phone calls received, we have added another phone line. Please call 610 273 2873 with any questions or if you may be interested in any of the dragons listed. If this line is busy, please try 610 273 3913.

- Our available dragons have not been tested for coccidia, internal parasites, or viruses *including adenovirus.
 
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Originally Posted by Wilomn
vicki, have you sold dragons that you knew had siblings or parents that were AV positive in the last year? In the last 2 years? In the last 3 years? In the last 4 years? How many times, if you have, have you sent shipments to Jim that had blood relatives that were AV positive? How about your other sales both to distributors as well as private parties? Were the buyers of infected animals, if any sales of such were made, EVER notified of the possible status of the lizards they purchased from you?



The above questions did you ignore them Vicki ?

The person that asked them and others would like an answer please


Then please answer them then mine.... Vicki they are relevant questions

What a truly evil woman you are and by the way Karma does exist

How many dragons do you sell a year both in the USA and with exporting ?

How many in the last 12 years .. dragons have you sold ?

Just an honest answer ... No I do not have the answers to these questions

Vicki But you sure should know them

:shootfoot

I will ask again Vicki

It is the reptile communities business and also being a consumer it is my
business

so do not say it is not
 
Sammy,
We were very, very careful in the beginning. The building they are in is completely seperate from our home - where all of our dragons are. We were actaully very anal about cross contamination.
Ill now say this, we have bred a lot of animals and there is nothing wrong with the ones we received - except a piece of paper. These were from the bottom end of what this breeder had. We told him to pick the top 3 of the bottom 6. Adenovirus alone is not going to kill these animals.

We do occasionally run standard fecals - but the EM test is completely different. So no, we have not done that with our dragons.
 
Ok, forgive me, due to circumstances in my personal life I had to re-check my first purchase and date was for a 1.0 red/orange on 9-18-02
 
Dachiu said:
Sammy,
We were very, very careful in the beginning. The building they are in is completely seperate from our home - where all of our dragons are. We were actaully very anal about cross contamination.
Ill now say this, we have bred a lot of animals and there is nothing wrong with the ones we received - except a piece of paper. These were from the bottom end of what this breeder had. We told him to pick the top 3 of the bottom 6. Adenovirus alone is not going to kill these animals.

We do occasionally run standard fecals - but the EM test is completely different. So no, we have not done that with our dragons.
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that is a lie vicky,you tested a bin last month and they were found postive for adeno.why arent you putting THAT on your website??
 
Wes, out of the EM testing that was performed in Ill. from August 2006 to date - which is when all of this started (with Wendy) we can account for 5% of the slides tested.


LIE"s again This did not start with Wendy get the facts straight ...

Yep trying to blame this on Wendy now Vicki


Wendy can you comment if you are the first person as to when this all started?
 
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