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INQUIRY: Bluestone Herpetoculture - The "Lava" Ball
- Thread starter screamdreams
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Jeff Woods
New member
I have done lizard business with the in the past. They gave accurate desriptions and quick service.
Jeff Woods
Jeff Woods
evansnakes
New member
I have at least 3 females that look just like that and have seen many farmed babies that are like it as well. At the NARBC show in Phily this weekend, Ian G had about 6 animals like that he was selling as abherant/striped animals for $50-100 each. They have been bred and nobody to my knowledge has ever produced anything of note from them. Evan Stahl
This is one of the reason's I've not gotten into BP. I mean Piebalds, and some of the other morphs are awesome looking, but some seem to be not to different from regular BP. People take a BP with the littlest aberrancy and give it some random name and bunp up the price. Can you even buy a normal BP anymore?
evansnakes
New member
You are right and I agree but people also are doing the same with boas, leopard geckos, bearded dragons and many other animals. To lay it solely on the people who sell ball pythons is unfair.
NEWReptiles
New member
I have feedback....ITS A NORMAL.
Just the way I see it anyway.
Just the way I see it anyway.
Screamdreams- Big Mama, the mother of this clutch, was a pet of a friend of the family for 16 years, and she wanted to get rid of her snakes and I wanted to breed ball pythons, so she gave us her 2500g female ball python, and its roommate, the red-tail. She hadn't eaten in over a year, so I put her in a rack system instead of the 75 gallon aquarium so I could better control her environment and maybe get her to eat. Apparently that cycled her. If you have any questions about Lava, feel free to ask. [email protected]
Jeff- thank you for the kind words.
Evan-May I see pics of your females that look like her?
ReptileBreeder-"Lava" is this individual animal's name. If somebody wants the opportunity to work with potentially proving out a new morph, and they're willing to pay the money, that's great. If not, I'm just as happy keeping her.
NEWReptiles-I guess time will tell.
She's described accurately as what she is, I don't feel as though we're trying to rip anybody off. The pictures speak for themselves and that's what she's worth to us. Thank you all for your interest.
Kevin and Kaleo
Bluestone Herp
Jeff- thank you for the kind words.
Evan-May I see pics of your females that look like her?
ReptileBreeder-"Lava" is this individual animal's name. If somebody wants the opportunity to work with potentially proving out a new morph, and they're willing to pay the money, that's great. If not, I'm just as happy keeping her.
NEWReptiles-I guess time will tell.
She's described accurately as what she is, I don't feel as though we're trying to rip anybody off. The pictures speak for themselves and that's what she's worth to us. Thank you all for your interest.
Kevin and Kaleo
Bluestone Herp
Sand&SunReptile
New member
Eh, so her neck pattern is connected...
Did you also incinuate (spelling has to be wrong on that) that that animal may be partly red tail boa?
I think it is a normal, no question. I think you are trying to sucker a new comer into buying this. Many new people, trying to get into the business will jump on something, slightly different, because they have seen all these mostly normal looking animals produce things. Yellowbellies dont have much of an appearance which makes it a morph, but they made ivories.
I think you need to advertise this as it is, a normal.
Did you also incinuate (spelling has to be wrong on that) that that animal may be partly red tail boa?
I think it is a normal, no question. I think you are trying to sucker a new comer into buying this. Many new people, trying to get into the business will jump on something, slightly different, because they have seen all these mostly normal looking animals produce things. Yellowbellies dont have much of an appearance which makes it a morph, but they made ivories.
I think you need to advertise this as it is, a normal.
Jeff Woods
New member
So what are all these morphs anyway. I breed for color in my leopard. If I have a baby that is bright orange instead of yellow. I keep and breed to him and breed back unitl I get what I want. It's done with dogs, cats, gerbils, every other animal known to man that I can imagine.
Other than buying a gecko from these guys, I don't know them from adam.
What I do know is:
That snake is NOT the same color as a normal
The pattern is more distinct than a normal
That being said, where do the caramels, pastels, and other variations come from. Half of the pastels I have ever seen look like normals but bleached out a bit.
I always that some one found an aberration and bred for it until it bred true??
Other than buying a gecko from these guys, I don't know them from adam.
What I do know is:
That snake is NOT the same color as a normal
The pattern is more distinct than a normal
That being said, where do the caramels, pastels, and other variations come from. Half of the pastels I have ever seen look like normals but bleached out a bit.
I always that some one found an aberration and bred for it until it bred true??
jkobylka
New member
not to get too far off
The "lava" ball is a normal. It is not a new distinctive morph. It is however a striking normal, with nice coloring and the head stripe is a cool, somewhat unsusal feature. Going theroretical now, if the mother did have this clutch without a sire (parthenogenetic,) the mother must be a visual for the trait (or some unusual trait) in order for it to be a Dom or CoDom morph. The ad states that the mother is a normal. So that to me rules out Dom/CoDom. Since parthenogenetic are genetics equivelents of their parent, that rules out recessive, even if the mother "happens" to be hetero for something.
That of course does not change the fact that it is a stunning normal and would be a great addition to a project committed to selectively breeding better and better looking animals. But sorry it is not the next new morph and anybody with the visual morphs the ad mentioned being willing to trade for (piebald, woma, blond pastel, albino,) should know that.
If it worth that much $$ to them, so be it.
I would like to say that it will never sell for that much but the fact of the matter is there are many newbies out there who don't have an eye for inheritable traites and understand the rarity of finding one in a clutch of normals.
Sweet normal, I'd hold on to it or maybe at best you could get a solid pair of het albinos or a 04 male pastel in trade for her.
The "lava" ball is a normal. It is not a new distinctive morph. It is however a striking normal, with nice coloring and the head stripe is a cool, somewhat unsusal feature. Going theroretical now, if the mother did have this clutch without a sire (parthenogenetic,) the mother must be a visual for the trait (or some unusual trait) in order for it to be a Dom or CoDom morph. The ad states that the mother is a normal. So that to me rules out Dom/CoDom. Since parthenogenetic are genetics equivelents of their parent, that rules out recessive, even if the mother "happens" to be hetero for something.
That of course does not change the fact that it is a stunning normal and would be a great addition to a project committed to selectively breeding better and better looking animals. But sorry it is not the next new morph and anybody with the visual morphs the ad mentioned being willing to trade for (piebald, woma, blond pastel, albino,) should know that.
If it worth that much $$ to them, so be it.
I would like to say that it will never sell for that much but the fact of the matter is there are many newbies out there who don't have an eye for inheritable traites and understand the rarity of finding one in a clutch of normals.
Sweet normal, I'd hold on to it or maybe at best you could get a solid pair of het albinos or a 04 male pastel in trade for her.
Just some observations and food for thought:
It seems as though the ball python market is less interested in beautiful animals than individual genes.
How different is a "Classic Jungle" from normal? I think that Lava is more distinguishable from normal than a Jungle, and Jungles are a "true" morph. I don't think anybody can rightfully say "Lava's normal, she's not a new morph," because her differentiating traits haven't been proven nor disproven genetically.
I'm sorry if my ad implied that this was a boa/python cross, just giving some history. No newbies contacted me about Lava... the people who've shown the most interest in her are established private breeders. I have no interest in ripping people off, and I think my ad stands honestly (although outdated with regards to parthenogenesis, documented parthenogenetic clutches have all the same sex babies, this clutch is 3.3, I learned that after I wrote the ad). I'll be doing bloodwork to find out who the father is, as I never intentionally bred her.
Best Regards,
Kevin Brayton
It seems as though the ball python market is less interested in beautiful animals than individual genes.
How different is a "Classic Jungle" from normal? I think that Lava is more distinguishable from normal than a Jungle, and Jungles are a "true" morph. I don't think anybody can rightfully say "Lava's normal, she's not a new morph," because her differentiating traits haven't been proven nor disproven genetically.
I'm sorry if my ad implied that this was a boa/python cross, just giving some history. No newbies contacted me about Lava... the people who've shown the most interest in her are established private breeders. I have no interest in ripping people off, and I think my ad stands honestly (although outdated with regards to parthenogenesis, documented parthenogenetic clutches have all the same sex babies, this clutch is 3.3, I learned that after I wrote the ad). I'll be doing bloodwork to find out who the father is, as I never intentionally bred her.
Best Regards,
Kevin Brayton
Sand&SunReptile
New member
It's a longshot there are genetics at play.
I bet it was an incubation variation, or slight flaw during her developement.
But, you never know. Over on the Ball Python forum, somebody hatched out 2 albinos, from I think it was parents sold as normals, bought seperately.
You never know, but you probably wont find out, unless you hold back, and try to breed and prove it yourself, unless you want someone else to prove it, and have their name slapped to it.
I bet it was an incubation variation, or slight flaw during her developement.
But, you never know. Over on the Ball Python forum, somebody hatched out 2 albinos, from I think it was parents sold as normals, bought seperately.
You never know, but you probably wont find out, unless you hold back, and try to breed and prove it yourself, unless you want someone else to prove it, and have their name slapped to it.
evansnakes
New member
It is just a high gold animal with a market value of $100-200. Nobody will ever pay $3000 for it when they could buy a pair of pastels, an albino male and het female, a female spider, a pair of ghosts, a pair of het pieds etc., etc., for $3000 or less. It is a nice looking normal ball python. You had your fun, now it is done.
The classic jungle is not a proven genetic morph. They have never been intentially reproduced. It just pops up from time to time like ringers.
NO professional breeder will want a ball python that you posted as being housed with a boa. That is the scariest thing you could do as IBD could wipe out a ball python collection in a matter of days and there is no treatment.
Here is a pic of my new "magma" ball! I will be selling this amazing female for the whopping price of $100!
The classic jungle is not a proven genetic morph. They have never been intentially reproduced. It just pops up from time to time like ringers.
NO professional breeder will want a ball python that you posted as being housed with a boa. That is the scariest thing you could do as IBD could wipe out a ball python collection in a matter of days and there is no treatment.
Here is a pic of my new "magma" ball! I will be selling this amazing female for the whopping price of $100!
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Sand&SunReptile
New member
Thank you Evan.
I think you may have finally got him to stop this crap. I mean, can he compare that, to an albino? I think not.
I think you may have finally got him to stop this crap. I mean, can he compare that, to an albino? I think not.
BLREPS
New member
A friend of mine had a little farmed male earlier this year that looked identical. He sold him for $200. Still a very nice looking animal and should grow into a nice looking adult.
Sand&SunReptile
New member
Point proven. Case closed.
Jeff Woods
New member
Sand&SunReptile said:
I guess the Grand Pooh-bahhh of Upper Butt Crack has spoken...
Okay, this is ridiculous. There never should have been a "case."
Maybe I should give a little bit more of the story. Originally, I posted an ad entitled "Ball Python Blowout" including Lava's clutchmates and several other snakes. One of the pictures on the ad was of Lava and a sibling, and I specifically said "sibling to the animal in the third pic," Lava being that animal. I never intended to sell her, but in business, I guess everything has a price, so I said $3000 to the numerous people who asked me about her, even though I didn't list her as "for sale." So, since I got such a large response to her, I thought I'd list her, completely honestly, and see what happens. A few people are interested in her, and they are established breeders, not newbies.
Apparently listing a snake for what it's worth to you makes you a con artist who preys on newbies. Seriously, this has gone way too far. Everything on that ad is honest, and if you don't like the snake, don't buy it! It's that simple. Lava is worth $3000 to me.
All the time and energy you guys wasted being negative on this forum would have been much better spent handling your babies so they're more tame for their next owners or soaking a couple snakes or cleaning cages. This thread is no longer professional, I'm not going to waste any more time defending my honest business. If you have any more problems with Lava or my posting her or selling her, please read the previous paragraph.
One more thing, Lava was never housed with the Red-Tail, her mother was. They were pets of a friend of my wife for 10 years and cohabitated that entire time. My wife and her friend have been zookeepers at the Milwaukee County Zoo for around 10 years.
Kevin Brayton
Maybe I should give a little bit more of the story. Originally, I posted an ad entitled "Ball Python Blowout" including Lava's clutchmates and several other snakes. One of the pictures on the ad was of Lava and a sibling, and I specifically said "sibling to the animal in the third pic," Lava being that animal. I never intended to sell her, but in business, I guess everything has a price, so I said $3000 to the numerous people who asked me about her, even though I didn't list her as "for sale." So, since I got such a large response to her, I thought I'd list her, completely honestly, and see what happens. A few people are interested in her, and they are established breeders, not newbies.
Apparently listing a snake for what it's worth to you makes you a con artist who preys on newbies. Seriously, this has gone way too far. Everything on that ad is honest, and if you don't like the snake, don't buy it! It's that simple. Lava is worth $3000 to me.
All the time and energy you guys wasted being negative on this forum would have been much better spent handling your babies so they're more tame for their next owners or soaking a couple snakes or cleaning cages. This thread is no longer professional, I'm not going to waste any more time defending my honest business. If you have any more problems with Lava or my posting her or selling her, please read the previous paragraph.
One more thing, Lava was never housed with the Red-Tail, her mother was. They were pets of a friend of my wife for 10 years and cohabitated that entire time. My wife and her friend have been zookeepers at the Milwaukee County Zoo for around 10 years.
Kevin Brayton
I really think
that this thread illustrates what is wrong with the BOI. The first sentence in the guy's ad states that he does not know the genetics. Once he says that, he is not stating that it is a Pastel, a Ghost, or any other proven morph. He says that he thinks it is something different, and would sell it for $3K, or keep it if he gets no acceptable offers. So what is the big deal? I am a big fan of the BOI, for information as well as entertainment, BUT, I THINK SOME OF YOU NEED A VACATION, OR A LIFE, OR BOTH. I am as critical as most when someone tries selling a normal as a proven morph, say Pastel. BUT, I see nothing wrong with this guy's ad.
Dave
that this thread illustrates what is wrong with the BOI. The first sentence in the guy's ad states that he does not know the genetics. Once he says that, he is not stating that it is a Pastel, a Ghost, or any other proven morph. He says that he thinks it is something different, and would sell it for $3K, or keep it if he gets no acceptable offers. So what is the big deal? I am a big fan of the BOI, for information as well as entertainment, BUT, I THINK SOME OF YOU NEED A VACATION, OR A LIFE, OR BOTH. I am as critical as most when someone tries selling a normal as a proven morph, say Pastel. BUT, I see nothing wrong with this guy's ad.
Dave