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coral albinos?

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is there a sharp coral albino and a kahl coral albino?

and how does the coral gene work?

if u take a sharp coral and pair it with a sharp, do u get corals, or even albinos still?

these are some questions ive been pondering because my buddy has a male coral albino that will be ready to breed next year and we are interested in having a mutual breeding project. these are things i need to kno before i go buying females.

thx
 
Im only aware of the kahl coral albino i dont think their is a sharp coral albino . Coral albinos are basically red pastels that have the albino gene. So the inheritance of red works in the same way that the pastel trait works.
Coral Albino to normal will produce normals that are 100% het for Coral Albino.

Coral Albino to Het Coral Albino will produce 50% Coral Albinos and 50% normals Het for Coral Albino.

Het Coral Albino to Het Coral Albino will produce 50% Het Coral Albinos, 25% Normals and 25% Coral Albinos. The Het for Coral Albinos and Normals from this type of breeding will all look the same and will be termed 66% het for Coral Albino.

Het Coral Albino to Normal will produce Normals that are 50% het for Coral Albino. They will all look the same, but only 50% will be carrying the Coral Albino gene.

Coral Albino to Coral Albino will produce 100% Coral Albino.
 
Robert - you posted this in the classifieds. I'm moving it to the Boa Discussion forum.
 
darned work computers - took me 10+ tries to get this moved, so I'm not going to try to add my commentary until I get home in the morning.
 
harald-oh sorry im still trying to figure out how this site works. thx for moving tho.

mark- thx, i already understood the basic genetic percentages of recessive traits, its just the coral that threw me off, so its like a pastel?

meaning if i took a kahl albino and bred to a kahl coral albino, half would be corals and half would just be albinos?
 
oh are pastels proven to be a co dom, depending on the line, or is it still in the air?
 
Coral albino is a very overused (and abused) description, IMO. People seem to attach it randomly to snakes that don't even begin to show a hint of the trait.
As for corals being pastels - I don't work with pastels, and don't know a whole lot about the trait, but I recall a couple of discussions in which I questioned that possibility (this was a few years back) and got shot down pretty hard by people that were more into it than I was. Whether they are, or not, I think the description offered above is a bit misleading...if not outright incorrect. At least according to what I have been told, pastels are not a simple recessive trait (which seemed to be what was said above - *note, I haven't read it since last night, when I kept losing my connection). I don't work with them, and don't have the knowledge to try to explain, so I'll leave it to others to explain whether it is dominant, or more a product of selective breeding than something that follows the "rules" of morph genetics.
 
The first Coral was a random occurrence. It wasn't bred for, it just happened. Then efforts were made to breed for more, and found out it's sorta sporadic, and unpredictable. You can't count on half or even ¼ of the litter obtaining the trait, although it's certainly possible for it to happen. You just can't predict the outcome, or state that a certain percent of the litter will obtain the trait. It just don't work like that. :NoNo:

I talked with Kahl for over 2 hours about this trait back in '99 at the Orlando show (now known as Daytona Expo) trying to understand it, because I was picking out one of the litter mates from the litter that threw the first Coral. His story was simple, he didn't know where it came from, it just happened.
As time went on, and more breeding trials were done, it was found out that the coral trait can effect any one of the litter, Albino or not. It was found out that even a mild expression Coral can throw extreme examples of the trait, and extreme examples can throw mild examples of the trait. And that the percentage of the litter that got the trait was very inconsistent and unpredictable.

That comes straight from Kahls mouth to me during our conversations on the subject over the years. I like Corals, might even say I have a thing for them, so I've tried to follow them as much as I can. Problem is, once the first Albino Pastel was born, and it resembled a Coral Albino, they all became Corals after that. And worse yet, any high colored Albino gets tagged with Coral as well, making it very difficult to follow the lines that had true Corals, but no pastel blood in their lines.

All these bright colored "corals" you see these days, are probably just Pastel Albinos, mislabeled as Corals. Even Pete went this route the past few years, perpetuating the problem by calling them Corals when he used a Pastel to achieve the color.

What I've observed trying to mess with and learn more about the trait, is that there are definitely visual differences between the real Corals, and Pastel Albinos. The traits may very well work in the same manner, being sorta polygenic in nature, but Pastels have a predictability that Corals will never have. Corals do not flood the whole body with Color , but more of a marbled look, AND the color is more pink, not red or orange. That's why it was called Coral. Additionally, very few of them make it known at birth they are Coral, but rather the trait tends to come out later in life. I think I've produced 2 that made it obvious at birth, and a few more that I suspected were Coral, that never really took off with the trait, some are still growing, so I gotta wait on them. On the flip side, I sold a few "normal" Albinos that exploded with the trait as they approached the 2-3 yr old mark.

Anyway, long story short, I agree with Harald. The term has been grossly misused, and as a result is pretty useless except as a marketing term that every Tom, Dick and Harry is using to get an extra dollar for the animal. It's gone from a very interesting trait, to a big old headache trying to follow and work with them to further understand the trait, and how it passes on. I've all but given up on this subject anymore. I got the genes in my bloodlines, and I'll continue to play with them, but the seriousness I once had about it is pretty much gone, due to the mess that's been created surrounding the trait over the years, and the misuse of the term.

That's my story anyway, as best as I can remember. I'm sure somebody will come and disagree with it though. :yesnod: That's part of the problem too. A lot of, "well, so and so said" going on.
 
dont give up on the trait, hell gimme two coral albinos ill explore it all the way! they really do interest me tho, and im hoping his is a true coral. thx for the input and as always anyone else is more than welcome to add their opinion
 
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