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Bumblebee Wobble??

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My boyfriend got our bumblebee female last night that was hatched June 10. The guy told him she has a slight wobble and her head will sometimes look like it turns upside down. I did some searching and found that its sometimes common in spiders and i can see where it may be a factor for her but how extreme can it be and would it affect her future potential of breeding?? We love her and think she is just the sweetest thing and shes so much more soft and nicer than our albino (his name is "Striker"...) but I worry about her breeding in the future because I am a softy and love all living creatures and can't stand to see them hurt and don't want to jeopardize her life.
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There are no signs that she is hurt. She has a proven genetic 'defect'. She will be fine, many breeders use males and females with wobble.
 
Spiders are beautiful and make some awesome looking combos but that genetic defect deters me in taking much interest in Spider projects. but that's just my opinion.
 
I'll agree with you there Steve - it's like the "munchkin" cat breed (short legs like basset hounds) - if they're bred together, munchkin to munchkin, 1/4 of the cats will die, and even when bred munchkin x normal, strong possibility of a defect in the neck that causes health issues.

When a genetic aberration can cause that level of health issues... is it worth the novelty? Of course, the wobble in spiders isn't nearly as serious, but I'd not want to get into projects where defects are common, as a personal choice.
 
I have to agree with you guys on this one.. It's a personal choice.. Many Spiders or those associated with that Morph will show signs of Wobble... I prefer to avoid that particular genetic aberation. It shouldn't prevent her from breeding in the future and some don't show signs at all but it's a possibility. Good Luck with your future projects!
 
SERPENTS DEN said:
Spiders are beautiful and make some awesome looking combos but that genetic defect deters me in taking much interest in Spider projects. but that's just my opinion.
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I also have to agree here Steve, no spiders in my collection. I had a bee but decided to go another route trying to stray away from any animals that carry genetic defects.

To the OP, if she's flipping her head completely upside down I would be leary of breeding her as sometimes breeding will change the "wobble" behavior and it could become worse, spiders and bees priced have drasticly dropped in recent times and you will find it to be more difficult selling any spider based morphs carrying a strong wobble defect, JMO. Also as they mature the wobble can stay the same or become worse but never have I seen it become any less noticable. But really it is a decision that you will have to make when the time comes. Good luck with your new girl. :thumbsup:
 
:)Thank you all for your input. I think we may just keep her as a pet and look into an alternative for breeding purposes. :)
 
It all depends where and who you get them from I bought mine and she does not wobble at all, and all her offspring do not show any sign of it either it seems there might be a coralation between the spiders with low white and high white, all the ones i have seen with any type of wobble have been a low white spider, i would be interested to see if this holds true, either way they are awsome make great morphs and remember they where one of the morphs that started it all. happy herping
 
All spiders do it to a degree,spiders are to important in the morph combos to not work with just because a few might wobble or have head tilt they are just special,& never heard of spiders dieing because they wobble.
 
I like bees...but I am very particular about the animals that I keep, produce, and sell. I would not breed a spider (combo) that demonstrated even a moderate wobble. A little tremor at feeding time, or a mild "corkscrew" when retreating is one thing, but anything beyond that would be unacceptable to me.

I'm not sure I buy the low/high white theory.
 
GREGORY J HALL said:
All spiders do it to a degree,spiders are to important in the morph combos to not work with just because a few might wobble or have head tilt they are just special,& never heard of spiders dieing because they wobble.
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I agree, I really like the spider combos but I have enough other projects to work with and enough I want to work with that I think I can keep myself busy without ever dabbling with the spider gene but who knows that may change if I ever come across some exceptional spider combos that dont exhibit the wobble. I mean the bee I had never showed any signs of wobble but I decided to jump into the cinna pied project and sent him down the road in a trade to aquire my cinny het pied. I also have never heard of a spider dying from wobble but I have heard of them having to be assist fed the majority of the time and to me that is an unacceptable animal. JMO

You have valid points though. :thumbsup:
 
Just a quick little update to all that care:

Saturday she ate with no problems, I have been trying to handle her daily and have found that the wobble isn't anywhere near what we may have thought it would be. She is very energetic and curious and likes to go everywhere she can while being handled. Thank you all for your wonderful and helpful input. I am very excited with the addition of "Baby Bee" to our home. :eek:
 
i got to say that spiders are a great morph. when you think of all the combos
(bees,killer bees,spinners,spinner blast,albino spiders,mojave spinners,lesser bees, ect.) they can be a power house. i find that the more genes you put in the less or no wobble you get. i also found that by selective breeding and over generations you can get the gene to breed out or at least hide. this is only what i have found and do not discredit that the wobble is a turn off for lots of breeders.but they desire love all the same.
 
I think that sometimes people make too big a deal out of the wobble in spiders. Yeah, I'd call it a genetic defect. I'd also call albinism a genetic defect. Every morph we work with is a genetic defect. Anything other than a wild type, normal ball python is a genetic defect. Some choose not to work with spiders because of this. That's cool. Some don't mind it. That's cool too. It all comes down to whether the genetic defect takes away from the quality of the animal and the animals quality of life. In my opinion, the wobble doesn't. I don't think anyone would like to assist feed an animal forever and any animal that requires this has no place in any projects. By the way, I saw some people "dancing" on tv and they were wobbling all over the place. Spinning on their heads and everything. 1 had even worn the scales..err..hair off the top of his head from so much head spinning. Makes me wonder what the animals think of us. :rolleyes:
 
My high white bee ( very high white ) started as a baby with no wobble, then as it got older he started the whole looking at the sky and moving his head backwards, now at 800 grams he just holds his head to the side ( kinda a tilt ) and doesn't really show any major signs of the wobble anymore. So yes, after a while they can lose there wobble and the high / low white thing doesn't fit.

Just to say, my bee now is just a little off compared to all the others I have, but in no way effects his life and eating or breading now. He is a gorgous bee and is great with my daughter ( 10 years) and anyone else that wants to hold and see.
 
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