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Boa comparison to retic.

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Are retics as easy to care for as boas? What’s their temperament like if handled regularly? I am a very experienced boa owner with biggest owned being over 9’.

Thank you to any who answer.

Rich
 
Attitude-wise they are individuals. Don't think small = easy to handle, my biggest females are also the best-tempered.

I feed mine f/t and the feeders are warmed in using water, so they're damp if not sopping wet when they go down the hatch. A few days later I deal with a urine-flooded enclosure.

Retics eat more often and thus they eliminate more often. They also make bigger messes. I've never had to clean feces off the ceiling of a boa enclosure, or had a boa do this:
 

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Hi Rich,

I keep boas, burms, and retics; all adults. As I'm sure you know, all animals are individuals, some having dispositions not "typical" of the breed.

In my experience, my boas are the most agreeable to handling. Next are my burms, although I have one whose only goal in life, is to staple my face. My retics can be cage defensive, especially when hungry, but are fine once they know they're not getting food. I have a 15' female that is always mellow, which is nice with a snake that big.

If you have experience with large boas, I don't see why you couldn't keep retics. Just keep in mind that they can get bigger than most boas, and some individuals are cranky. Also, understand how strong snakes of that size are. I never handle mine alone - my husband helps me with them, just in case some switch in their tiny brain gets flipped on, and they try to kill me!
 
bcr229 said:
Attitude-wise they are individuals. Don't think small = easy to handle, my biggest females are also the best-tempered.

I feed mine f/t and the feeders are warmed in using water, so they're damp if not sopping wet when they go down the hatch. A few days later I deal with a urine-flooded enclosure.

Retics eat more often and thus they eliminate more often. They also make bigger messes. I've never had to clean feces off the ceiling of a boa enclosure, or had a boa do this:
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OMG. That’s nasty. That right there might just help my decision, Melinda 😉
 
Insomniac101 said:
Hi Rich,

I keep boas, burms, and retics; all adults. As I'm sure you know, all animals are individuals, some having dispositions not "typical" of the breed.

In my experience, my boas are the most agreeable to handling. Next are my burms, although I have one whose only goal in life, is to staple my face. My retics can be cage defensive, especially when hungry, but are fine once they know they're not getting food. I have a 15' female that is always mellow, which is nice with a snake that big.

If you have experience with large boas, I don't see why you couldn't keep retics. Just keep in mind that they can get bigger than most boas, and some individuals are cranky. Also, understand how strong snakes of that size are. I never handle mine alone - my husband helps me with them, just in case some switch in their tiny brain gets flipped on, and they try to kill me!
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I’ve seemed to luck out in the boa department. I’ve only had 1 male dh sunglow boa that has tagged me 4-5 times. So I always thought boas were mellow by nature.

If boas got 15’, I’d be satisfied.
Thank you for taking the time. Melinda’s post has got me thinking. Right now I just put my boas in a tote and roll up my paper in my boa cages and give a good clorhexidine. That pic with feces all over, well, you know.

Rich
 
allreptiles1966 said:
That pic with feces all over, well, you know.
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That's urate, not feces. He had it on his face too. Fortunately it was a warm day so I took him outside and gave him a bath.

Usually they're not that bad but everything about them is bigger compared to boas - attitudes, feeders, caging, messes, expenses. They're fun but I'd never try to care for one by myself either.
 
bcr229 said:
That's urate, not feces. He had it on his face too. Fortunately it was a warm day so I took him outside and gave him a bath.

Usually they're not that bad but everything about them is bigger compared to boas - attitudes, feeders, caging, messes, expenses. They're fun but I'd never try to care for one by myself either.
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I actually know that’s urates. Not sure why I typed poo. Thanks for the correction though.

As a long time boa keeper/breeder, I’ve had to maintain all my big 7’-9’+ boas myself. But, I did keep two razors, a knife and a bottle of alcohol in my boa room. Just in case.
I actually thought about it seriously last night and decided not to get one. I have no one to help me in case of a problem. My other house I had a couple neighbors that would help if need be. But we rent tgat house out and moved to the country. No help if needed. None that would matter. So many pretty retics too!!

I appreciate your time Melinda! You helped me make my decision pretty easy.

Rich
 
You're in NY so you'd have to move first anyway :p

If you haven't looked in to carpet pythons, do. Mine is just as curious and interactive as my retics but in a smaller package.
 
bcr229 said:
You're in NY so you'd have to move first anyway :p

If you haven't looked in to carpet pythons, do. Mine is just as curious and interactive as my retics but in a smaller package.
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Funny thing is, they are always being sold on cl in Ny. So I was thinking to be an illegal owner. But no worries now. No retics. Just big boas. Carpets are to small bodied. And the retics has some nice morph colors.
 
allreptiles1966 said:
Funny thing is, they are always being sold on cl in Ny. So I was thinking to be an illegal owner.
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Whenever I read news reports of keepers getting their entire collections confiscated and sent to the "humane" society (probably to die) because some vindictive neighbor saw a technically illegal animal through the window I shudder. I'd be nervous about a knock on my door from the animal control folks.

It is really good that you're so happy with boas. I've never kept one (just a bit big for my tastes) but they sound like lovely snakes. :)
 
Socratic Monologue said:
Whenever I read news reports of keepers getting their entire collections confiscated and sent to the "humane" society (probably to die) because some vindictive neighbor saw a technically illegal animal through the window I shudder. I'd be nervous about a knock on my door from the animal control folks.

It is really good that you're so happy with boas. I've never kept one (just a bit big for my tastes) but they sound like lovely snakes. :)
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Good thing is, I have no neighbors!! And many acres. There’s 5 house on my 4 mile rd. 2 ive known since I was about 20. 2 are family and known my whole life.
So it would have been fine. You’d have to be in a helicopter to see into my back yard. Or google earth. And I wasn’t 100% sure I would have bought. Now my other house is different. And the one bad neighbor we had did call the cops on me for being outside with my 9’ coral girl. Obviously nothing happened.
And none of us are perfect and follow all laws!! So I would be willing to break this minor bs law if I really wanted a retic. Why not? Cops or animal control don’t scare me or make me nervous. It’s a minor infraction. No issues with the btm yet. Lol.
 
allreptiles1966 said:
I would be willing to break this minor bs law if I really wanted a retic. Why not? Cops or animal control don’t scare me or make me nervous. It’s a minor infraction. No issues with the btm yet. Lol.
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It's a minor infraction for you and usually a death sentence for the animal because you're not given the opportunity to take the animal out of state to someone who can legally keep it.
 
Pretty much like everyone has said. All animals have own personalities. I have female boa that has a feeding response that could put a lot of Retics to shame, lol. Sweet as pie when she knows she's not eating though. One of my retics you can open door and once he knows he's not eating he will glide out and drape himself on me. Another once has huge feeding response then cage aggressive then flighty once out of cage. My 3rd retic has a neuro problem and you need the longest tongs you can find to feed or she'll tag you and hold!
 
Socratic Monologue said:
Agreed. It's just too bad that some laws motivate other people to call the cops out of fear or hatred or ignorance or whatever.

Sounds like you have a nice place. I like country life, too. :)
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We like it. I have a trout stream running through my property. It’s only a 7 mile small stream, ‘3’ wide” but every once in awhile I catch a 20” brown. A buddy’s mom caught a 24” brown back in the 80’s. Biggest I know of out of it.
At our age, country living is perfect. Our other house is in the city. It has its perks. Like food delivery. Lol. But as many gun owners know, having land is nice for shooting daily without interference from local police. And honestly, they like us down here in our little valley.
 
bcr229 said:
It's a minor infraction for you and usually a death sentence for the animal because you're not given the opportunity to take the animal out of state to someone who can legally keep it.
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As stated, I know the lady who gets all illegal animals in Albany county. And she’s a good friend. I’ve hooked her up with albinos and sunglows for her rducation classes. She’s the only Nys certified animal rescue here in our county. She’s brought in any situation she’s needed. So if I did decide to illegally own one, it would be safe. If they came to take it. And I’m pretty sure tgat Dec is not coming for me and 1-2 illegal animals. If they wanted to do anything, they can bust people all day long on cl selling retics and burns. But they don’t push that. Even in NYC they seem to not spend time trying to rid all the illegal animals owned bred and sold in cl.
But we don’t need to worry about that anyways, I’m not getting one. Only because of their nasty elimination process. Lol. My boas clean up nicely. Only the urates are like dried clay.
 
To be fair the glass door decorated with urate was unusual enough that it was worth a picture. It's more typical to have to clean up a pile of crap that a small pony may have left behind.
 
You should see the mess made when you have two fair sized Burmese in a large cage and one of them regurgitates a rabbit and they BOTH crawl all through it. I had to crawl around inside the cage to clean it. After that, I lost all interest in keeping big snakes. :ack2:
 
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