Snowboalover, my apologies for seeming rude or judgmental. I am glad to hear back from you. I am sure your quite a knowledgeable person and wish I knew more people in Billings,Mt. interested in Ball Pythons. I have a pair of Fire Ball pythons that will produce the black eyed white snake next season. They were big enough this year but not old enough for breeding. I've heard the super form of Russo is the whitest. I don't have those at this time. If you like e-mail me at [email protected] Happy Herping!!!