Vote***financing Fauna***vote

***Funding Poll** What do YOU think is appropriate? (More than 1 OK)

  • A general use fee of $35/year, membership would be required to access site

    Votes: 18 8.4%
  • A membership fee of $10-25/yr. to access the BOI

    Votes: 32 15.0%
  • $35/yr. general membership fee but BOI/classified free

    Votes: 23 10.7%
  • Increased advertising fees and fees for all advertising

    Votes: 80 37.4%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 7 3.3%
  • If there were a membership fee, I would not visit Fauna

    Votes: 74 34.6%
  • I have no concept of economics, I did not realize it costs money to run a website like this

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • After seeing how hard Webslave works to maintain this site, I want to help

    Votes: 38 17.8%
  • Increase fines

    Votes: 46 21.5%
  • I have other ideas for funding which I have listed below in my post.

    Votes: 26 12.1%

  • Total voters
    214
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There have been a number of threads lately about the increasing costs of providing new equipment and upkeep on Fauna. I wrote this thread to provide a central place for y'all to vote your opinions.
Many people are helping via their contributions as well as participating in the Fauna Fund; however the costs will continue to exceed revenue without a more global approach. The % of contributing members is small compared to the vast numbers now visiting the site.

If you take the time to come to the BOI, **PLEASE** take the time to vote in the poll and/or discuss your opinion. It takes only a moment to vote and it is IMPORTANT
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I vote that all the forums, including the Board of Inquiry, remain free to read and post in, but that members must pay to post ads in the classifieds.
 
Fauna is like a family for some; for others it is a resource for information, and for MANY others it is the site of the BOI, a unique and hugely successful way to help and promote integrity in the reptile world.

I believe that it is worth the minor investment that this membership fee represents. Most of use spend more taking our family out to eat or going to the movies than an entire year of membership costs here. The benefits are many; I think it is time to require a fee so that we can continue to enjoy the many services here.

I very much appreciate this place from the forums to the BOI. I think it is worth my support, and I think it is worth yours too...
 
I very much appreciate this place from the forums to the BOI. I think it is worth my support, and I think it is worth yours too...

I totally agree Lucille. It is a great site, and I appreciate it very much as well. That's why I have given my support and will continue to do so. I still feel very strongly that the BOI and other forums should be free of charge. A annual fee to be able to post ads in the classifieds would be a great way to collect some revenue for the site. I worry that if there was a fee charged to post on the BOI that some, or maybe even many people would stop posting there.
 
I agree with the $35 membership fee and leave the BOI free. If you want to post classifieds then you need to be a member. This is the way it should be. This would enable the site to be upgraded and new features from time to time.
 
Since you brought it up . . .

. . . isn't there some business model or consultant that Rich can use to help him with this? Why should you ask us? I think you are just asking for trouble.

I certainly don't mind paying for the BOI and I support Rich, but I think he has to decide what HE wants this site to be - and hire someone to help him figure out a way to increase revenue streams. Getting ideas from herp people seems a little pointless - esp. if you're shelling out as much dough as Rich is.

I don't know about you - but I don't get my teeth cleaned by my podiatrist and I don't go to a church led by my electrician. They may know about something about Feet and Jesus - but I want a trained person to help and guide me.

Rich - use the money raised to write a business plan and figure out how to increase the revenue streams. Then tell US what you are going to do.

We'll be here for you. It's worth it.
 
I consider this place a good envestment as far as knowledge.If i had to pay a membership fee to be here id probably do it...now.If i was new to herps and this site i dont think id be inclined to pay 35 dollars, just my 2 cents.... Josh McDermott
 
I worry that if there was a fee charged to post on the BOI that some, or maybe even many people would stop posting there.

I know I would.

Rich took a lot of stands on a lot of things by creating the BOI. There was all kinds of talk about protecting the community and the general betterment of the entire industry. Charging people a fee to see if the person they're considering a deal with is legitimate or a crook? Charging a fee to explain that a deal went well or went south? These are beneath everything the BOI was supposed to stand for and directly contradict all the ideals which were spoken of so highly.

Now... ads... I could see a fee for posting in the classifieds sections. But the BOI and the discussion forums- if Rich *wants* the site to wither into nothingness and die (And without meaning any offense... He's seemed to be a lot more frustrated over minor things lately than was ever the case before. That "why do I bother" talk is more invasive and frequent) then a fee for the BOI is the way to go.

I believe he's mentioned that he has people waiting in line for ad space to clear up too... I can see a little room for some extra banners- places that would still be seen without being invasive to site content. Something to think of before making a move that results in the site's membership and activity to drop to a fraction of what it is. A situation I sincerely believe would be the case... charge for the BOI and it won't see anywhere near the use it does now. Less use = less USEFUL which means that subscribers will be less inclined to renew their subscriptions. That'll lead to even FEWER participants making it even LESS useful... downward spiral until he's forced to either abandon it completely or make it free again. Neither of which would be likely to sit well with those paid subscribers who might be left.
 
I think the BOI and the other forums should remain free. I think there should be a $25 to $50 a year fee to advertise in the classifieds section. With that fee you should get a symbol similar to that of the current "Contributor Symbol" (which would still be a part of the $25 to $50 yearly fee) that you can post on your website. "Member of the Fauna Classifieds Better Business Bureau", or something to that effect. That symbol should link back here to Fauna for authentication and will link to that persons seller rating page. Rich could also throw in some other bells and whistles as he sees fit.

I think a solution along those lines would keep the BOI as it is intended to be and would allow the info/education/entertainment forums to remain open to the public as a service to the herp community. That way those who just wish to support this site and those who advertise in the classifieds and profit from this site will help foot the bill.
 
KelliH said:
I still feel very strongly that the BOI and other forums should be free of charge.

I agree with Kelli. And I vote no basic membership fee. A membership fee of $35/year would be high enough to discourage me (i'm currently poor) and many others. And a fee for advertising in the classifieds ONLY if it is wayyyyyyyy less than Kingsnake charges (please dont let fauna become another kingsnake).

There are varying degrees of commitment to fauna amongst its members, and we need all of them. We need the lifers and the casual passers-by, and everyone in between. I say, continue along the line you were going with the contribution/sponsorships, add more levels with increasing privileges granted accordingly. Or just with a different colored medallion over there on the left under our names - that's all I want :cool:

I think that now we know there's a money problem, those who are really committed to fauna and can afford it, will happily pitch in to save it. It makes the burden fall unevenly heavily on a few, but heck, at least the burden will be on a few instead of just one (Rich) !!!
 
I think a solution along those lines would keep the BOI as it is intended to be and would allow the info/education/entertainment forums to remain open to the public as a service to the herp community. That way those who just wish to support this site and those who advertise in the classifieds and profit from this site will help foot the bill.
- I am going to have to agree with you on that.
 
I think the site should be free, except if you want to use the classifieds. Maybe if people pay for posting ads then they wouldn't be able to pull scams.
 
Some thoughts

I did vote I would not return if there was a membership. I've taken a few minutes to sit back and think. Without a doubt I would pay the membership fee. I believe this site would loose alot of people if this were to happen but the scams and such would stop (more so IMO). Then again I think you should make a free 30day period or something to that effect to get newbs into the site. they would have full access (maybe only a week for the classifieds or none at all). The BOI Is great but at the same time to me it's like politics which I dislike greatly. Some immuture people fighting over stupid things. Although it does have alot of good points. Some information I find to be non-sence. I've been going to some of them same herp shops for years. One deal goes bad (regardless of fault) and a person trys to slaughter someones business. Which in all honesty may effect a few but not near as many as one would think. I do find people in this industry to be cut throat. Someone says or does something wrong and it's all over the place. Why not try and solve things and as a last resort use fauna? I mean give people the chance to come clean and so on before you act. So many people want to jump the gun. I know people that completely ignore everything and anything they find on fauna. I do believe it's a great place and contribution to the herp world. Sorry to get a little off course but I thought I would tie it in.
 
Your unable to edit so I thought I'd post this message as well. Basicly it comes down to this. Someone has to pay for this site in order for it to work. The person (webmaster) has taken alot of time and money (from his own pocket) to make this work. Now we (the community) have a choice. This choice is to keep this site running and aid (yes with your hard earned money) the webmaster to keep this going. Another option is to downsize and make this site much cheaper to run. which infact will still need funding. There it is plain and simple.
 
Idea

Hows bout this:
$25/year for anyone who wants to contribute to the boards. (I assume reading would still be permitted for free)

I'd be willing (as an advertiser) to sponsor someone who wants to post an experience without paying a fee. Break it down to $1 per post.

Someone drops in, they're not a member, but had a good/bad experience with John Doe.

They submit a reply or start a thread..., their message gets posted with a "sponsored by" tag. I get billed $1. They're message gets voiced without paying a fee.
 
my opinion on this...

I am already a contributing member so I had already decided that this site was worth some of the money out of my pocket. It is an invaluable resource for information.
I agree with whoever said it would hurt the site to charge for the BOI and I also think that all the forums should be free as well just so people have free access to the info here,why would we want to hinder anybody that just wants to talk about and learn about reptiles. There are a lot of young people/out of work people/down and out people that really wouldnt have the money to come and use the BOI and the forums.
Charging a fee for the classified is definetely a good idea. whether it be a yearly fee for regulars or a "by ad" fee for people that use it once or twice a year to sell something.
I think that with a few more improvements and some good advertising this site could easily become the forefront for the selling and buying of reptiles. you would bring a lot of potential customer here to use the forums and you know they will flip through the classified while here and possibly make purchases.
Rich might even think about using the site as a escrow for people that arent sure about the sellers,meaning the buyers could pay thier money to a escrow account run by Rich and upon delivery of the animals he would release the money to the seller, this would put a end to a lot of the "not so good" guys out there ripping people off. Most buyers wouldn't find it necessary to do this with well known or reputable dealers but buyers are always leary of new dealers or dealers with a so-so reputation and both buyer and seller can be assured they wont be scammed.
Also once certain people that have a known "bad guy" reputation for ripping off people Rich can ban from selling here and buyers will feel safer making purchases here rather then elsewhere.
So in short....Keep the information FREE and have the people making money spend a little of it.

I hope that all made sense to everyone :dunce:
 
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