Bad Guy Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger

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How do you know if the uro you bought is captive bred or wild caught? I feel like I was lied to. I bought two from the same person. Both claimed to be juveniles, healthy and tame. When I received them they were both terrified of being held. The larger approx 7-8 inches and the yellow got very sick and when I brought him in it was suggested he was wild caught, at least 5yrs old and had simply become so stressed that he was captured and unable to do his normal thing that he stopped eating. He died two weeks after I got him. The second a much smaller, 4-5 inches has thrived, very skittish but eats and hides constantly. The seller kept saying it was my enclosure that was the problem but the vet and a reptile specialist says otherwise. What can I do? I just don’t want anyone else to buy from this seller and think they’re a monster for killing their babies. Please help!!

He has sold several species all of which dying within weeks and blaming it on the buyers enclosures! He knows how to seem sympathetic but numerous people on Uromastyx Club on Facebook have verified my worst fears of what he has done. He preys on people who wouldn’t know better and pockets the profit of these poor animals death.


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The seller kept saying it was my enclosure that was the problem but the vet and a reptile specialist says otherwise.
Do you have papers from the vet/specialist you could post please?
 
He has sold several species all of which dying within weeks and blaming it on the buyers enclosures! He knows how to seem sympathetic but numerous people on Uromastyx Club on Facebook have verified my worst fears of what he has done. He preys on people who wouldn’t know better and pockets the profit of these poor animals death.


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Could you have more of his customers with sick/dead animals post here as well? The more negative feedback, the less likely someone will purchase from him if they read the comments.
 
Could you have more of his customers with sick/dead animals post here as well? The more negative feedback, the less likely someone will purchase from him if they read the comments.



I’ll try to find some but right now it’s all on Facebook of people having similar situations.. Uromastyx Club On FB


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Please send those people the link to this thread and ask them to tell their stories.

Uromastyx Club is a closed group so you have to join it to read it, and Google searches will not pick up names or information in closed groups. Google will pick up Fauna posts in it's results if people use it to do research on this guy which is another reason to post here.
 
Please send those people the link to this thread and ask them to tell their stories..

But do note that the BOI requires everyone to tell their own story, not to post for others, so people will need to register on Fauna (it's very simple) to do this.
 
Ok first of all the Saharan was listed as wc and the Moroccan was listed as cb import I begged you not to put an adult Saharan in a 20 gallon tank with a baby Saharan I sent out your uros on Feb 18th and messaged you till the 24th to have you please show me your enclosure. You killed these animals just like I told you that you would if you didn't set them up correctly. You never even messaged me to tell me they weren't doing well my last message to you was to please show me your enclosure cause I knew you didn't change them out.trying to jump on my veil complaint with this nonsense is bull If someone can tell me how to post my text messages I will gladly post them. Also I looked on your page and the Moroccan had his toe bit off another sign of how stressed they were. If someone doesn't set this girl straight and tell her that housing an adult Saharan with a baby moroccan with God knows what heat will kill her animals. They will get stressed that leads to dehydration and eventually death. I believe the Moroccan still isn't cared for right cause I can't still het any pics of her enclosure.
 
As for a bunch of people I had a frog die two weeks after I sold it. What happened to it I don't know I wasn't notified that it was even sick. I was just told it died 2 weeks later. It was a beautiful healthy frog that in two weeks failed but I had the frog for 5 months with no problems. I need to know how to post my messages so I can post me literally begging her to not put them together in a 20gallon tank.
 
Also if you look on her fb page it lived longer then 2 weeks at 2 weeks there's a pic of it still being fat but not eating or drinking and that's because it was stressed out in a 20 gallon tank with a different species of uromastyx and totally different sizes. I'm surprised the Moroccan is still alive.
 
Keven, why would you sell the animals to someone that you knew wasn't willing/able to take care of them properly? That doesn't sound like someone who holds the health and well-being of their animals in high regard. Between this situation and selling a chameleon that even I, with little rescue experience and very little cham experience could see was not a healthy animal, your claims about being in this for the good of the animals is looking pretty laughable.
 
So people don't jump on me about this frog I've left messages with her on fb so we can work something out on it. I feel bad that something happened to it and although I only offer live arrival in willing to help her out. These uromastyx on the other hand were flat out not cared for and I feel sorry for the animals not for her. I just can't believe the nerve to put them in the environment they were in and then try to blame me. She admitted on fb that she put them in a 20 gallon together! I wish I could post our conversation of me begging her not to put them in the 20 gallon together. Ok I was able to post my last conversations all the way to the 24th and she still would not show me enclosures. Her last comment was yes sir and sent nothing
 

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She didn't tell me that she wasn't caring for them till after she bought them God anything I say is twisted I have her instructions on how to care for them before she bought them
 
That's a full 6 days after she bought them I was still trying to message her to help them. I gave her complete instructions on how to care for them she lied and said she bought enclosures for them I believed her and sold her the animals on her word that she bought two enclosures of the right size
 
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So you knew she was sticking an adult uro in a 20 gallon tank before you shipped and still decided the money was worth knowing the animal was going to a substandard home with someone who didn't know what they were doing. That's exactly my point. I don't understand how you're claiming I'm twisting your words. Just because you admit to doing irresponsible things every third sentence doesn't mean someone is twisting your words when they bring those irresponsible things up.

You are completely entitled to end a sale at any point up until shipping if you learn about something like this. It's easy, you just send the money back and tell them that you believe they need to do more research about keeping them properly before they buy an animal. Done. Or you can take their money and consign the animal to mistreatment, which is what you did. Doesn't sound like many of the people I know who did ethical rescues.
 
She put me all over face book yesterday citing because of the veil that she was duped. She still will not show me her enclosure. For the sake of the Moroccan please tell this girl that her set up is wrong. She stated it's not doing well. I don't want to see it die too. You may not want to believe this but it really makes me sad and mad that this has happened the past few days have been hell for me but if it took all that to get this girl to come out to blame me and it can come to light to change her care to save her Moroccan then it is all worth it to me. I know it isn't being cared for the way it should. So far no body wants to. Step up and tell this girl she is wrong so maybe she will change what she is doing.
 
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