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Sarazenia Buan. Snow project probable scam

craig kade

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She has a pair of boas listed on kingsnake as het snow, and ready to breed. She claims that the anery is the product of two albinos that were het for anery, I emailed her back and told her you can not get an anery from 2 albinos, and have not heard from her. I also would say the female is way to small to breed this year, but that is just my opinion. Just wanted to let everyone know. Below is a copy of emails. and a link to her ad, if someone could do a screen shot thanks.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=475873

Parents of the anery
- Both were albino double-het

Parents of albino
- One was an albino, the other, a snow

-Sara

Craig Kade <[email protected]> wrote:
What were the parents?
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarazenia Buan
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: (1.1 SNOW PROJECT!)


Hello how are you? Yes the pic very recent, I do not have paperwork, but I will give a breeding guarantee, only because I have seen the parents. Now for who produced them? I do not know, I picked them up from a couple out of CA. If ya have any other questions, feel free to ask! Thanks!!

- Sara
 
How can you see the parents but not know who produced them? :ack2:
 
"Bob Sloan Clone"

"Sarazenia Buan" I think you've stumbled onto "Bob Sloan" He always uses
Letters of his real name in his scams.....HaHaHa... I'll investigate.......
 
I sent this person a link to this thread, and apparently she just decided not to sell to me because I was rude in telling her she was lying to me. Here is her responce.
"Im not sure what you think yu are doing. But you are nobody to say some one is scamming just because we didnt sell you the snakes. I wont sell anything to people that are as rude as you are. Not only that but there was a misinturpation on what I wrote to you as in what the parents were. So if you have claims to make that arent legitimate keep them to yourself. As for the snakes you will never receive a snake from me no matter what."

Again she said the anery het snow was from a pair of albino dhs.
 
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Albino Het Anery x Albino Het Anery could give you an Anery and it would be Het for Albino.

Dave
 
But

The problem would be, IF the Albino Het Anery came from the same breeding, Albino Het Anery x Albino Het Anery, any Albino from this litter will only be POSSIBLE Het Anery.

Dave
 
Dave is right, albino het snow x albino het snow you you'd get snows, albino's 66 % het snow, ANERY het albino and normals het albino 66 % het snow Im not saying it is or isnt a scam but but you dont have much evidence you should really dig alittle deeper before you ruin people livelyhoods with comments that have no back-up.....
just my 2 cents
 
What scam

As for the guy who started all of this. I believe he is just a spoiled brat who didnt and could not get what he wanted. As for the genetics of the two snakes up for sale. I found the paper work on these two snakes. They are both from Insane Canes Reptiles LLC. I have paper work on both snakes guaranteeing genetics. So for those of you who replied with negative comments with just hear say. You should wait for all the facts first so you dont look like complete idiots. And as for the guy who started all of this hope you do actually learn a lesson and keep your mouth shut until you have the whole story. Because you do look like an idiot. And for all those who would like proof just ask and I will email you the phone number and address to Insane Canes Reptiles LLC. So you can verify youself about the purchase and genetics of my 2 snakes that are het for Snow.
 
I was under the impression that albino X albino produces all albinos, no hets.

So albino het anery X albino het anery would give you half albinos and half snow. You can not get a anery het albino with this breeding.
 
Otter_23 said:
I was under the impression that albino X albino produces all albinos, no hets.

So albino het anery X albino het anery would give you half albinos and half snow. You can not get a anery het albino with this breeding.

Exactly, the whole clutch would be albinos. You would get some snows, but the rest would be 66% het snow(anery)
 
vinnybocknyg said:
Dave is right, albino het snow x albino het snow you you'd get snows, albino's 66 % het snow, ANERY het albino and normals het albino 66 % het snow Im not saying it is or isnt a scam but but you dont have much evidence you should really dig alittle deeper before you ruin people livelyhoods with comments that have no back-up.....
just my 2 cents
If you breed albino to albino you get all albinos period, if they are het anery some of them will will be snows, but there will not be any regular anerys. As far as this being a scam or not, I said it may be a scam, I could not "dig a little deeper" because as soon as I pointed out they were lying to me they quit communicating. If they have paperwork now great, but I was told she had none, but picked them up from a couple out of California, Insane canes is out of Florida aren't they. Let me also say if the animals are what she says, then they are great deal and someone should scoop them up. There are a ton of scammers in this business, and I know I myself have bought 3 "het snows" that were not hets, and have passed on others because when I asked how they were produced got answers that were not true. Craig
 
Im very sorry I was wrong... For some reason I wrote different from what I was thinking... I guess I was thinking albino het snow x normal dh.... Sometimes Im quick to defend people because sometimes accusations are made prematurely and thats not right although you did say probable.
Again I'm sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
 
I would like to just say I know Criag. I know he is not a liar and he is very upfront.

And for the few that posted that you could get aneries by crossing 2 albinos that were het anery. Please look again. You messed up. There would be no aneries in that breeding.

But Criag is a very stand up guy. He would not make this up just becuase he did not get snakes. LOL. He has plenty of awesome snakes. Many I wish I had.
 
Yeah, my mistake, I should stick to Balls

Albino to Albino gives you all Albinos, but if both parents are Het Anery, you would get Albinos and Snows. Good luck getting it figured out! I do not know either party.
 
I agree with Craig and Gary. Albino to Albino will give you all albino. I know Craig also and he is not a liar and doesn't want to hurt anyone. But I was wondering if this person somehow had a Sharp Strain Het Anery to a Kahl Strain Het anery. Cause in that case you would get Normals DH for Kahl and Sharp poss. het for anery and then Anery's that are DH for Sharp and Kahl Strain. I know it is getting really deep into Genetics but it is possible. That is the only way I could think that you could get an anery het albino from Albino het anery to Albino Het anery
 
I see the Ad still running.........

Even with my modest knowledge of Genetics.......I :angry: lost track of the
drift, crashed, burned......and then thought I was enlightened.......Only to
realize I knew nothing.................A lost genome in miles of sequence........
:dgrin:
 
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