Robert Carr

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John Apple

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This man is a thief, its just that plain
He was cought here in Michigan [stealing from one store and selling to another{albino red eared slider}]
got cought stealing from Strictly reptiles in Florida, I am sure we all remember that
And he is trying to sell herps again, Buyer Beware <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
here is his contact Info as of a month ago
Robert Carr
21709 frazho st.
Saint Clair Shores Mi.
810 771 4724
Apple
 
I gotta love this world
Mr. Carr showed up at the Great Lakes show, everybody that new this person watched him closely
Well He walked over to one venders table[the vender knows this scums rep]The vender calls him out Gets everybodies attention [by this time I got involved] between the 2 of us he was run out, chased away,whatever.
we called him a thief to everybody there , recalled the theft at Strictly's , and a few others that he committed.
Before he left he told me he would never buy an animal off of me, man I needed that sale <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> lol
I think we should all take a stand against people like this, deny them access to shows no matter how much money they want to spend,put a picture of their face up at the front door.
you know they might spend a hundred but steal a thousand
peace
Apple
 
Good going John. I have no tolerence for thieves.

So, you say he lives in St Clair Shores, huh?That just happens to be one of the most herp-unfriendly cities in SE Mich. I know this because I used to live there, and was given 24 hrs to get rid of everything or face misdemeanor prosecution for each individual snake in my collection. This was 6-7 years ago, but I'm sure nothing has changed.

All in all, its not a real good place for someone notorious who's into herps to live. Sooner or later, the right/wrong people are going to catch wind of Mr Carr's activities.
 
Yeah Ken
I would like to trash this guy to the athorities, but ....
that might also give the athorities some kind of precident to attack other collections in other areas, then the humane society could get involved and start all kinds of cr@p
peace
Apple
 
I also had to deal with this man at the Livonia show this past weekend...Was there running an educational table for the iguana rescue we run, and he tried mighty hard to get me to ignore our application process and let him just "take" a beautiful female we have that's ready to be adopted. He *claimed* he had over 25 years experience with them and that I should just be thankful he was willing to take it, but it was obvious he didn't respect the animal by the way he handled her. As soon as we knew he just wanted to leave with her, I wouldn't let him touch her, and this was BEFORE the scene the vendor made. I did however get all of his contact information, I'll have to compare it to the info posted above.

Stephanie Beiser
Mid-Michigan Reptile Rescue
www.geocities.com/midmichiganherp
 
The reptile show in Michigan is coming up March 10th
Do you think we will see Robert there
if so ......fellow venders beware
Hmmmmm.... I wonder....yup.....I wonder if Robert will have a big jacket on.....with lots of pockets
But I could be wrong , He actually might bring money .....lol
hahahahahahahaha  oh man ...I kill me
 
No Robert at the reptile Show in Michigan
I guess it worked
The more these theives are put out in the open the more they crawl up under their ROCK
 
Hey Apple....do you happen to know if this clown was around the Tampa area on December 16th of last year??? Grrrrr!! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> ....Neil
 
Hey Neil
This guy travels around and tries to swindle anyone out of their animals , I guess he has been to a few shows around the north up here
But Neil, go ahead and ask Ray or Mike[strictly] if he travels.
They have a nice home video of him theiving down there in Florida
Probabilities of him being at the tampa show are good
 
Hello Again
Got a call from none other than the infamous Robert Carr a couple of days ago
We had a long conversation about this that and the other thing
Basically Bob made some apologies for his previous actions and a few excuses too
I also told him my view on thieves and he seemed to respect that ,he seems to want to go on the straight and narrow[you know 'be a good herper']
I will say this to you Robert [as I know you read this, you stated so] If you are sincere..great   If not ...watch out
reputations can be changed , I hope you are changing yours
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
 
Well, thank God I punched in this guy's name here at the BOI! Last Monday 5/06/02 I shipped a really nice female Suriname redtail to Robert Carr at his address in Michagan. I used Airborne overnight and it was to be there the next day by noon. Because I packed and shipped it at 8:45 PM Monday night I only used two 12 hour heat packs because it was very warm here in New Hampshire and relatively warm where he was. I only wanted to take the chill off the night and didn't want to cook the snake the next day when things warmed up. Airborne totally blew it and did not deliver the package until Wednesday! After delivery was finally made Robert called my home number and left a long message about how the Suriname was so cold it was barely moving and it didn't look as if it would make it through the night. I called him shortly after and told him not to worry, that even though Airborne delayed delivery, if the animal didn't make it or got sick I would fully reimburse him for it including shipping which was $270. I felt this was the morally correct thing to do even though the late delivery was beyond my control. I called him the next night and again asked him how the snake was doing and he said "not good at all, it was still hardly moving, barely alive, and the thing that bothered him most was it wasn't even flicking it's toungue." He then proceeded to tell me it wouldn't eat and that's when I began to get suspicious. This snake was supposed to be on deaths door and he tried to offer it food? He then stated I should just reimburse him for the purchase and I responded, "let's wait a little longer and see if she pulls out of it." After all the snake wasn't actually even dead yet and I'm supposed to reimburse him for it? To make a long story short he said he'd call me the next day and low and behold he did saying the animal had died. I agreed to find him a suitable replacement and have it shipped directly to him. Here is the actual e-mail regarding this:

Subj: Dead Suriname  
Date: 5/10/2002 5<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: MATRIXNINJA70
To: Robertstjude



Robert,

Please send me some pictures for my records as proof of the Suriname's demise. I would appreciate these for my records so make sure you get these to me before you dispose of her. The best bet is to place the Suriname upside down on a flat surface and then right side up stretched out straight. I know this is not pleasant but unfortunately it is necessary. I've put a call in to the source of this animal and left a message about obtaining a replacement. I hope to hear back from him soon and I'll let you know what's up as soon as I know.

Greg
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He then called me the following night after this e-mail on Saturday 5/11/02. I asked him if he got my message about the pics and he said he would send some the next day. That was supposed to be three days ago. Now I ask you, if you had $270 riding on the situation wouldn't you send pics as requested immediately? It's clear to me the animal was and is still alive and he tried to scam me. I was honestly going to replace the Suriname at NO cost to him but after reading this thread and not having any proof of a dead animal I now will refuse to do this. It was one week ago today that he received the package and I know of no one that guarantees their animal for over one week and as far as I'm concerned it's still alive and healthy. Thank you BOI for enlightening me to this thief! Stay away from this guy. He hasn't changed his ways a bit.
Greg Riso
 
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> Robert
whatsamatta ??
you can't send a pic of the 'dead' snake
you tried to feed a supposedly sick snake
you said it died
you are not worried about $270
My conclusions are you tried to scam Greg , and it kind of backfired <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
Here is what I want
Greg send me a picture of the snake at [email protected]
I will look for this animal at some shows and give the pic to a few local pet stores in southern Mi
Robert send me a pic of the 'dead' snake, you tried to talk a line to me on the phone[remember the excuses for your actions] are you munching anti-depressants again??
Your actions speak volumes
 
I had a call from a guy who said his name was Bill Carr from Michigan, inquire about a trade. He said his friends called him RL. He wanted to trade an adult het albino female for my peruvian. He seemed reluctant to give me his last name. I told him to e-mail me his address for shipping and mentioned I was a police officer. I never heard from him again. I am assuming this is another alias and am glad to have read this post prior.

Shawn Boorman
Captive Select Reptiles
 
Robert....WATCH OUT!!! dishonesty has no place here.
Shawn I am glad you did not get taken by this man, did he say he could prove the snake was het for albino??? I am sure he could not
 
This could be another "form" of Mr. Carr.
Last week, a gentleman email me to offer a trade on one adult male Anery het Albino for one of my baby Albino. He said that the Anery was produced by Jon Miller. His name was Richard Wayne Carr, and he goes by R.W. Carr (said that he doesn't like people call him Dick) His email address is [email protected]
Well, I his last name sounded familiar, thus, I ran a search and found out this thread. I also emailed Jon Miller, and got a response that Jon did not sell such animal to him, indeed, Jon doesn't know who is Richard Wayne Carr. Fortunately, I cancelled the deal, and now I just want to give a head up.
 
anery

I wish I would have seen this sooner.I have the snake Boavoyage is referring to.You said he said it came from John Miller.He told me it came from Rick Miller.The good thing is that I haven't paid him for the snake yet.He sent it to me to see if I like it first.It looks healthy but have NO documentation about it being het for snow.I really don't know if it is really anery.There is no red on it but you know how that is;I have regular bci's with no red either.If this animal is truly anery 100% het for snow it would be worth in excess of $2000.I am supposed to give him $800 for it.If all it is is a 6 ft male bci then it's not worth near that much.I think this snake might be taking a trip back where he came from.Thanks..

Randy Bush (205)477-7503
 
I have had some nice experiences with Mr. Carr. He stole from two pet stores owned by friends of mine. He tried to pay me for animals with bad thrid party checks. He showed up at my show after he had attempted to steal from a couple people who were there. I refunded his money and asked him to leave. Evan Stahl
 
I have the snake Boavoyage is referring to.You said he said it came from John Miller.He told me it came from Rick Miller
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Actually, it was Rick Miller, not John Miller... My bad... I have a terrible problem with name. Here's a response from Rick

From: [email protected]

To: [email protected] ("Boa Voyage")

Subject: RE: Personal Vefication

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:50:31 -0400

"Boa Voyage" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi Rick
>There is a guy named Richard Wayne Carr (goes by RW Carr) claimed that he
>had a 2000 male Anery het Albino boa that was produced by you. His email
>address is [email protected]. By any chance, do you remember him, or if
>anything he claimed is correct? Any information is greatly appreciated.
>John
>
>I HAVE NEVER SOLD ANY ANERYS TO HIM I NEVER HEARD OF HIM SORRY THANKS RICK
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Randy,
It's still not too late. All you need to do is get him a one-way ticket back to Mr. Carr (C.O.D. for the shipping cost if you wish)
 
anery

Thanks a lot John.I e-mailed him and stated I would ship him back or give him a couple hundred dollars for what I think a regular colombian male goes for.Thanks for the heads up!!

Randy Bush
 
An e-mail from RW Carr

This is an e-mail from RW Carr.If he has changed,good for him,but I am not willing to take the chance at this point.I'll be sending the snake back to him. "I am going to explain something to you Randy. I had some Psychiatric problems for a number of years. I was given a prescription medication called Xanax which at first helped me a great deal. My doctor did not tell me how highly addictive the medication is. I began taking very high doses and almost died. This medication caused me to loose all inhibitions and do some crazy things. I fully admit i stole some herps, got in fights, and went thru 2 yrs. of hell. I met John Apple at a herp show once in my life and don't understand why he made such a big deal on the Boi. I called him and asked him why he did this . the ironic part of all this is that he is an ex-convict with a wrap sheet. As far as Jon Miller goes of course i did not give him my real name because i knew he would look it up on the BOI and that would be it. What i did was wrong and i have paid for it 10 times over. I gave you every chance to back out, shipped you the snake first and told you the absolute truth about what i know of the snake. Did you have the BOI info. before i shipped? I told you if you had any problem with the deal to back out or send snake back. you kept on insisting you wanted it. God brought me to my Knees and at one point i considered suicide. I am now a devout Christain and jesus answered my prayers. All i need now is for you to post negative info. on me on the Boi. I am just a hobbyist and have always shipped first to anyone having doubts about me. If you need a reference on me contact Tim Frazier of Illinia Reps. Does a person with no past record deserve another chance. Some say no but Jesus says yes. Go ahead and ship the snake back even though i am now out 66.00 shipping. I only wish you the best. God Bless. RW P.S. Rian of Underground herps, another reformed Christian will vouch for me also. To recall throughout the day When i thought, "My foot is slipping," your steadfast love , O Lord, held me up. When the cares of my heart are many, your consolations cheer my soul. Half the stuff you heard on the BOI about me is total B.S. but some was true and i try not to make any excuses but meds can make you behave strangely sometimes."


I have no idea what to say to all that!!



Randy Bush
 
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