Bad Guy Manny Frade Perfect Predators

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Manny Frade has screwed me twice in two days. He tried to sell one snake to two people. He posted an ad on facebook of a female Lipstick Sunglow Tuesday morning. I messaged him to see if it was still available. He answered me and said yes it was.I sent the payment through PayPal early in the morning. That afternoon I see someone on face book post the same snake I just bought earlier and their saying they just bought the snake. So I show Manny the post and ask him, what's up with that? He tells me that I ruined the surprise. He said he was going to surprise me with one of his "hold backs" because of another issue we had on a purchase last year. He was going to send me a different snake without telling me. I told him that the one on the ad is the one I want. He shows me a picture of the"hold back" and another Sunglow. I told him again, I want the one in the ad. He then agrees to make it happen. Wednesday morning I get a message from Manny saying two of the snakes he showed me the day before had escaped because he didn't close the tubs right. Later he tells me he found one, but not the one I wanted. He said if he finds it he'll let me know or he'll give me a refund. Little did he know I spoke to the other buyer and the buyer told me that Manny had told him there was an error with the picture of the original snake in the ad so he wouldnt be receiving the original one. Shortly after that he issues me a refund. I go home I tell him I'll take the "hold back" rather than not have anything. I send the payment and we finalize the deal. I'm on Facebook I notice he posts a pic of the hold back on his page. Shortly after he sends me a message this morning and tells me he's canceling the transaction because I was speaking to the other buyer about what had happened and the buyer gave him an ear full. He stated that "I added insult to injury". He said it's business not personal. I never saw the original snake in any other picture and that leads me to think he was lying the whole time. If the other buyer would've never posted on Facebook we both would've received snakes we didn't want. The other buyer settled for the one I turned down. Moral of the story is Manny Frade from Perfect Predators is a liar and a con artist. I am done with him!
 
1) Post proof please.
2) Be glad you got your money back.
 
Shortly after that he issues me a refund. I go home I tell him I'll take the "hold back" rather than not have anything. I send the payment and we finalize the deal. I'm on Facebook I notice he posts a pic of the hold back on his page. Shortly after he sends me a message this morning and tells me he's canceling the transaction

I think the OP is still out his cash. As I interpret it, he got a refund for the snake he originally wanted and paid for, but then accepted the "hold back", and sent payment for it. Then Manny "cancelled" that 2nd transaction.

Hector, do a BOI search of Manny and/or Perfect Predators. You will see lots of imperfection. I hope you do get a refund. Stick to Fauna in your search for quality snakes and professional, reliable vendors.
 
I'm glad I got my money back, but I'm very upset that my time and energy were wasted. No one should have to deal with that. I've purchased from some very well known breeders in the reptile community and they've been very professional, pleasant, etc. It's very simple! They have what I want, I have the the money in hand and it's a done deal. Manny was jerking me an the other buyer around the whole time. Manny is falsely advertising his animals and sending the buyers a totally different snake without them knowing. That is the main reason for this post! Not refunding money has been an issue with Manny as well, but not in this situation.
 

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The post the other buyer posted and me showing him.
 

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Colour me confused as those pictures are of 3 different snakes - You can tell by the head markings.

Think I have missed something :ack2:

Here's how I interpreted it (the bold sections are my emphasis, the text between parenthesis are my words):

Manny Frade has screwed me twice in two days. He tried to sell one snake to two people. He posted an ad on facebook of a female Lipstick Sunglow Tuesday morning. I messaged him to see if it was still available. He answered me and said yes it was.I sent the payment through PayPal early in the morning. That afternoon I see someone on face book post the same snake I just bought earlier and their saying they just bought the snake (third boa photo). So I show Manny the post and ask him, what's up with that? He tells me that I ruined the surprise. He said he was going to surprise me with one of his "hold backs" because of another issue we had on a purchase last year. He was going to send me a different snake without telling me. I told him that the one on the ad is the one I want. He shows me a picture of the"hold back" (first photo) and another Sunglow (second boa photo). I told him again, I want the one in the ad. He then agrees to make it happen. Wednesday morning I get a message from Manny saying two of the snakes he showed me the day before had escaped because he didn't close the tubs right. Later he tells me he found one, but not the one I wanted. He said if he finds it he'll let me know or he'll give me a refund. Little did he know I spoke to the other buyer and the buyer told me that Manny had told him there was an error with the picture of the original snake in the ad so he wouldnt be receiving the original one. Shortly after that he issues me a refund. I go home I tell him I'll take the "hold back" rather than not have anything. I send the payment and we finalize the deal. I'm on Facebook I notice he posts a pic of the hold back on his page. Shortly after he sends me a message this morning and tells me he's canceling the transaction because I was speaking to the other buyer about what had happened and the buyer gave him an ear full. He stated that "I added insult to injury". He said it's business not personal. I never saw the original snake in any other picture and that leads me to think he was lying the whole time. If the other buyer would've never posted on Facebook we both would've received snakes we didn't want. The other buyer settled for the one I turned down. Moral of the story is Manny Frade from Perfect Predators is a liar and a con artist. I am done with him!


What I don't understand is what the end-game for Frade would be if this was a con. The only thing I can think of is to sell two (maybe three boas if the original was sent to a third buyer rather than being a hold-back or lost/sick/dead) boas instead of none since the desired individual was unavailable. He may have been banking on the hope that the buyers wouldn't recognize the change, or if they did that it'd be too much trouble to swap the animals out. That said, if that WAS his end-game, it's odd to me that he wouldn't just accept Hector's money for the hold-back (I'm interpreting the text as the other buyer purchasing boa #3/second photo). Or for that matter, why he'd lie about any of it - it'd be easy enough to say "my mistake, this is actually a hold-back. I have these available though..." and both customers would probably have chosen the alternatives they ended up wanting anyway, and been happy.
 
Hector,I'm sure a mod will tell you to put the correct location in your sig. Most of use live in the US.:thumbsup:
 
Let me break it down. Manny posted an add of a snake for sale. I bought it first. He then let someone else buy it. He had two buyers one snake. He was planning on sending us different snakes from the very beginning. He was LYING the whole time. He was telling me and the other buyer different stories. He wasn't going to tell us that he was sending different snakes. False advertising. The hold back and the other one are the ones we were going to get regardless. That snake in the ad was just a way to sell those other two. Get it? The snake in the ad didn't exist. It was an old picture of a nice Sunglow he knew he could use to get people to buy the two he did have. I'm not buying his bs story about it escaping. This is the same guy that has told buyers theirvsnakes died before shipping!!
 
I will post in order.
 

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I am sorry. Something seems to be off. Could you post the whole conversation?

I'm done posting! I'm not wasting anymore of my time proving he is a crook. If Manny wants to defend himself now is the time. I have no problem responding to whatever he has to say. I posted this to make those who aren't aware of Manny Frade aware.
 
Hector, I just wanted to clarify that my previous comment wasn't intended to raise any skepticism with your post. Frade admitted to planning on swapping in another animal in the texts; there's no reason not to believe you.

My questions were more rhetorical; since you would have accepted the hold-back (though you weren't thrilled about it), and the other customer did accept the other snake, it stands to reason Frade would have been able to sell the boas on their own merit. It just doesn't make sense for him to concoct this elaborate scheme to sell animals that (to my ignorant eyes) look comparable. That doesn't make what he did any less upsetting, however. I would be livid if I didn't get the specific animal I asked for, especially if I liked it due to a specific pattern like the "H." He wouldn't have this bad guy thread if he had just put in a simple disclaimer that the photo was an example and not the actual animal being sold, or was honest with either customer that the animal wasn't available, for that matter.

I did not mean to imply that you were in any way accountable for explaining his rationale - if any - for his (mis)conduct.

That said, I am glad you at least didn't lose any money on top of the time and energy spent, and the silver lining is that you can spend it on an animal you love rather than an animal you will settle for.
 
What is the something that seems to be off?

I'm done posting! I'm not wasting anymore of my time proving he is a crook. If Manny wants to defend himself now is the time. I have no problem responding to whatever he has to say. I posted this to make those who aren't aware of Manny Frade aware.

Here is what I think is off.

We have you, a person that knows he is a crook, according to you stealing money from elderly people, and listing dead snakes.

He messes up one order with you last year. In order to fix that, he tries to "give" you a snake you did not order as an upgrade. And once you get your money back, you toss back at the second snake.

I don't get it.


So I wanted to see the whole conversation, to try to figure out why this known scammer got your money twice.

The conversation does really seem to support your argument. The logic behind buyer be aware does support your argument.

Why dive into that pit three times?

PS, I am not blaming the victim. I am wondering why this one went in eyes wide open.
 
Here is what I think is off.

We have you, a person that knows he is a crook, according to you stealing money from elderly people, and listing dead snakes.

He messes up one order with you last year. In order to fix that, he tries to "give" you a snake you did not order as an upgrade. And once you get your money back, you toss back at the second snake.

I don't get it.


So I wanted to see the whole conversation, to try to figure out why this known scammer got your money twice.

The conversation does really seem to support your argument. The logic behind buyer be aware does support your argument.

Why dive into that pit three times?

PS, I am not blaming the victim. I am wondering why this one went in eyes wide open.
Did the op know he stole money? Seems like the op didn't know any of this until he dealt with him and got screwed, if you're referring to the post about stealing money from the elderly that was posted by a moderator if I'm not mistaken and not the op. So you getting a bit harsh with the op doesn't seem warranted.
 
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